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Wonder what odds I might get on Hodgson being the next manager to be sacked :o tempting

that was Ramos :) Harry has a different feeling to it now that we are in the CL, Carling Cup is just a distraction that might end up in more injured players, we better off out of it :)

Am I on ignore or something ? :unsure: from where I am reading I responded to every point of Tyron's question about the effects of capitalism !

Pretty much all of that :lol: Carling Cup is a joke, we did play just about a reserve team last night, Nasri did dive Our reserves done well for 90 mins

Congestion and car pollution is a consequence of a successful society, governments have done a lot in ensuring cars are more "green" but the Chinese way of everyone going about on bicycles is just not practical for many people, cars are an essential, a lot of hybrid cars and electric powered cars are coming out too which again is going to reduce pollution from cars so governments are doing their bit I can't comment about anything other than this country but I find it highly unlikely that in this day and age planning permission would be given to factories by a river especially with waste being dumped in rivers etc, anyone who does that should go to jail

I have some sympathy with the ordinary nazi soldier, most in essence were doing their job and following orders and were not in a position to question, if they hadn't followed orders they would have been shot so my issue with the nazis were the leadership, those way higher up the chain than the ordinary footsoldier, likewise in Palestine, if the field commander gets orders from the defence secretary what is the ordinary private on the ground meant to do ? he can't exactly defy orders unless he wants 10 years in jail or a bullet in him

Because jobs will continue to be created, so even if say worst case 750,000 public sector workers lose their jobs I think enough jobs will be created in the private sector that will IMHO have unemployment max out at about 2.8m

I care if capitalism is being abused, when capitalism is being abused then it is right that those involved face the consequences of their actions, nowhere have I ever said on here that I support the likes of Enron, Halliburton, price fixing airlines, companies like BP, they are the wrong extreme of capitalism, the ordinary free market is a good thing

It was more a psychological thing to scare the $h!t out of her husband more than anything else and it worked, regardless of whether the soldiers involved were oppressing the Palestinians or not they were just doing their job, most soldiers out there are young conscripts who have little or no say and just follow orders from above (politicians>field commander>colonel) so the ordinary soldier is just doing his job.

Unemployment is bound to go up but there is little or no chance IMHO of reaching the 3m that was reached under Maggie and I think Major too I think that the Greece and Ireland doomsday scenarios that are being talked on here are highly unlikely to happen in this country even if there is some tough times ahead

There have been reports of her rather erratic behaviour at bootcamp so I have serious doubts as to whether she can handle the pressures of fame so it would probably be for the best if this report was true and she came back in a couple of years when she is more mature

I meant the extremes in terms of levels of unemployment not spending, we had 3m under Maggie at its peak and about the same under Major at its peak

I knew who had the catergories ages ago they were revealed in The Sun (before you slag off the Sun Simon Cowell is a columnist for them so they would not print lies)

I am kinda different I believe in an unregulated or low regulated free market so long as companies are not abusing a monopoly or operating cartels to fix prices, both situations need to be heavily clamped down on

She was guilty by association by being the wife of a kidnapper and bomber, it is highly likely she will have known about his activities or at least suspected so in these circumstances I think what the Israelis did (it was some 25 years ago so I am assuming it was Ariel Sharon that was the military commander) was justified in order to save lives, they successfully scared the guy into submission and the soldiers were released unharmed.

I have never seen a shrink in my life never needed to unlikely to ever to ;) I have also never been tortured, well maybe via S+M but let's not go there :kink: I still think what happened out there was justified, the guy was innocent but suppose he hadn't been, he could have given valuable information to insurgents that would have put everyone at risk so while his torture was unfortunate I can see why it was done

We were a much more powerful economy than Ireland to start off with so we are starting from a much higher base than them plus we have a far more massive population, to have comparable unemployment to Ireland we will have to have over 4.5m unemployed and that simply isn't going to happen, even under the extremes of Maggie and Major it barely went over 3m, we are also one of the global centres in the world for IT and banking so again we have an economic infrastructure that can withstand stuff way more than Ireland can Nothing like what has happened in Ireland will happen here

Tyron much as you might deny it you ARE a capitalist even if you have socialist beliefs, when you were selling sandwiches you were desperate to sell more than your competitor, you were desperate to outsmart him, your behaviour when selling the sandwiches was 100% capitalism in action

Sometimes things are necessary for the greater good maybe even very unpleasant things When 2 Israeli soldiers were kidnapped by Palestinians the Israelis found out the identity of the leader, cut his wife's wedding ring finger off complete with ring and told the leader that they would be mailing bits of her to him every day until the soldiers were released, needless to say they were released that same day, an example of things being necessary however unpleasant if it is for the greater good

The CIA admitted that information given by Sheikh Khalid prevented the airline bombings over the Atlantic, a plot to blow up 2 major bridges and a plot to blow up the Panama canal If 1 plot is foiled through waterboarding then it has been for the greater good that people be waterboarded

A friend of mine was given one of these by Barclays he asked for a normal debit card only to be told they were being replaced by these

No system is perfect but I would rather see 100 people tortured and lives saved from information from 1 of them than no one tortured and a massacre taking place. The number of lives that were saved by foiling the Atlantic bombings was around 3000 plus the knock on effect on the aviation and tourism industry would have been horrendous, thanks to waterboarding it never happened, even if 99 lots of information given to the CIA were useless (which we don't know)

Even Sheikh Mohammed is a suspect still, not been convicted of any offence, everyone that has been arrested as enemy combatants around the world are effectively suspects, Mohammed thanks to waterboarding gave incedibly valuable information including the plot to blow up several airliners over the Atlantic, the information would never have come to light without Mohammed being waterboarded. I don't think teeth being pulled out, drills being put through shoulders etc is necessary but stuff like waterboarding, mock executions, exceptionally loud music 24/7, other forms of psychological torture are fine in my book if they deliver results and they clearly have

I don't think he would have to resign over something like this, I think the general public by and large understand that torture is a necessary means of dealing with incredibly dangerous people and the popularity of Jack Bauer who used torture I think has educated the public that torture on terrorist suspects is better than bombs going off and innocents ending up dead. I would rather have a terrorist subjected to torture than see people blown up when that could have been avoided had torture been used so I don't think Milliband would or should have to resign

if it ain't broke don't fix it, the current chip and pin system is fine, doesn't need replacing and is much more secure