Tim Barnes

Banged to rights on that one but I feel very passionately about the whole Diana thing and wear my heart on my sleeve when I posts so that was just passion, the thread was not designed to take a dig at Diana even if that is a byproduct of what was said but I am very much a supporter of the stiff upper lip and publicly looking strong in the face of adversity and hard times, I was bought up with the stiff upper lip and not showing public emotion and I do think it somewhat sad to see that part of British life being eroded by guys welling up in public over things that are not deaths of family or close friends

Nope my inspiration for it was Michael Vaughan when he quit as England captain, Diana opened the floodgates to guys publicly crying as opposed to in the privacy of their own homes but it was Michael Vaughan that sparked off the debate I had on MSN last night The way the British public handled the death of Diana was one of its absolute low moments but if I am taking a pop at anyone in thread it is Michael Vaughan not Diana

Privately yes when a family member or close friend has died but I would never dream of showing emotion and crying in PUBLIC like the examples I gave of Michael Vaughan who was my main inspiration for the question about public emotion from men, if Vaughan had showed a dignified public face and then shed a few tears in his hotel room fair play to him but seeing his press conference the other day was embarrassing

Brian Close and Beefy Botham and Dave McKay and Geoff Boycott for example had massive passion but they would never have cried when the chips were down or when they quitting their captaincies Men publicly showing emotion and crying was unheard of 10 years ago, I can't believe there is more passion in sport than there was 10-30 years ago

That's different, that is family people dying Not losing a captaincy or losing a cup final or like my mate because he had had a bad day at work I should have used family member instead of dog but the point stands

It is ok for women to cry, fine, women crying in public is totally acceptable to me, the gay thing was a bit of a stereotype but the mate of mine that was blubbering last night on the phone because he had had a rough day was gay so I used him as an example I just can't get my head around the idea of men crying in public, hence my example of comparing Michael Vaughan with Brian Close and Geoff Boycott And comparing John Terry with Dave McKay who played on with a broken leg

It never used to happen mate its a new phenomenon, unhead of 10,20,30 years ago, my thread is more about what has changed in society to brink about such a change

Real Men ??? Why is it that male Britain seems to have turned into a nation of cry babies ? whatever happened to the stiff upper lip ? Just last night one of my mates phoned me up crying, this morning when I went to the shops a guy was crying on a bench, when Michael Vaughan quit as England captain he burst into tears, when John Terry missed a penalty he blubbered like a baby, even Gordon Brown cried in public, whatever happened to the stiff upper lip ? Would Geoff Boycott or Brian Close have cried when they quit as England captain ? would Churchill have cried on tv ? Did the loss of the stiff upper lip happen with the pathetic grieving over Diana ? are guys just more in touch with their feminine side now ? Captain Oates sacrificing himself so that the others in Scott's party might live & walking out to certain death in -40 degrees F in the Antarctic with the immortal last words "I am just going outside & may be some time"; Rorke's Drift; Douglas Bader; the Blitz spirit; Brian Close; Dave Mackay. It seems however that ever since the dullards of the nation were conned into a mass wankfest of mourning over the demise of inbred parasite Diana it has given us carte blanche to blub We still have a few proper blokes left. Despite losing several toes to frostbite & having a heart bypass operation Sir Ranulph Ffiennes still completed 7 marathons in 7 days. Terry Pratchett descibed his recent diagnosis of early-onset Alzheimer's Disease with classic British stiff upper lipism as "an embuggerment". But these are a dying breed & there are few of them left Now i'm not saying that Britons should never cry. If you are a woman, gay, or if your dog has just died then it is perfectly acceptable but why is men crying publicly considered so acceptable and normal now ?? So do you agree that the SUL is dying out in Britain? If so do you think we should mourn its passing or is it just an anachronism that has had it's day?

Corluka has turned us down :manson: What a f***wit :rolleyes: Enjoy the bench when Hughes buys Lucas Neill you re****

Bale will be even better than Evra and Clichy in a couple of years

Turns out according to Spurs ITK's that Levy pulled off the smartest piece of business in years He got wind that with Sinatra's financial troubles in Thailand that City were unable to meet an 8m installment on players they bought last summer so he offered that exact amount for Corluka and City took it in order to meet their payment obligations If that is true then Levy is a genius as Corluka is worth double that

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Hope is pulls through, outstanding actor Even made tripe like Deep Impact highly watchable

16 year olds who work pay tax so I don't see why they should not have a say in how and where that tax is spent by having a vote

Tevez is good but he can't be that highly rated by Fergie if you are after Berbs, you won't drop Rooney so it would be Tevez that would make way if Berbs gonna be a main starter

$h!t forgot about him lol :o :o

Sagna Corluka Hutton In that order as RB But apparently he is a brilliant CB/DM too so most likely he is going to be used alongside Woodgate and also as a DM, he was amazing at DM v Newcastle last season

They haven't done very well in the transfer market this summer Ben Haim seems to be about the only "big" name According to a City mate Corluka has been sulking over Sven getting sacked so Modric put in a good word for us

We aren't buying him as a right back, he is being bought as a CB/DM

Only place City are going is bankruptcy Sinatra is in deep $h!t in Thailand, very likely prison sentence, freezing of his assets too, he goes to jail then City are f***ed Compare that with Spurs one of the most cash rich teams in Europe right now

The story broke last night in the Times and then the Daily Mail, the Times guy is well in at Spurs One ITK yesterday on COYS (the main Spurs board, 8000 members) said that we should "expect a signing soon that has not been linked in the media" and this morning he has confirmed it was Corluka But The Times broke it first before it was on any Spurs boards Of course they might have got it wrong or got the price wrong, I would say Corluka is probably worth £12-15m but see how it pans out I guess

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/spo..._in_for_corluka

Yeah its strange :o never saw this one coming but loads of media are reporting it now including Manchester papers etc The guy is a brilliant player, reading City boards the fans are disgusted by this

Spurs in "advanced talks" with City for the transfer of Corluka for £7m ITK's on Spurs board say deal agreed subject to a medical The guy is fukkin brilliant, hope this goes through

Gutted for Massa, that has almost certainly cost him the WDC and he didn't deserve such cruel misfortune God sure is a fully paid up member of the Lewis Hamilton fan club :(