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Public Enemy is a great shout. Nation of Millions is a stunning record

Nice to see Ramones getting some additional love too. They're one of the most influential bands ever, not only spearheading the New York Punk scene but their debut album and the follwing July 1976 London show helped galvanize the burgeoning London scene too.

Adam & the Ants were my first ever favourite band and so close to making the list for me but I really hate most of that 3rd album.

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I didn't hate that, in fact I rather liked some parts (even Mel who's probably my least favourite companion ever), but it was a total mess of ideas and fell prey to RTD's usual flaws - big stakes, nonsense resolution, complete reset. Kind of liked his trolling of fans with the Ruby's mum result. Sutekh far less interesting a villain than his original story becoming just a one dimensional monster. Gatwa played a much better take in The Doctor here too but if he hadn't been crying every five minutes throughout the series his tears here would have had a more powerful effect. Decent finale but again still gaving trouble properly landing the ending, which to be fair is always the hardest part.

I'd start with Ocean Rain, it's widely regarded as their best album. The compilation Songs to Learn And Sing is a great primer for their early work too

For anyone looking to compile JJ72's third album, this was a published tracklist early on, and where you can find the songs - 01 Coming Home (single) 02 Everything (available on sampler) 03 Grower (live versions available) 04 Heat (single B-side) 05 June (made available online) 06 Nothing In This World (made available online) 07 Radio (available on album sampler) 08 Rise (seemingly still unavailable) 09 She's Gone (single) 10 Someday (demo available online) 11 Take From Me (available on sampler) 12 Underground (live versions available)

JJ72's third album was recorded but the label refused to release it. A couple of singles came out and some other bits officially released online but you can find most of it on p2p sites The dispute over the release was one of the key factors in the band splitting up.

That 1st album is great but the 2nd and 3rd really saw them drop away for me. Good to see them remembered though

Voted. Sorry for the delay. V busy this week!

That's one of the weird things about Nick Cave, in that he's perceived as a solo artist but has released only a handful of solo tracks. Most are with Birthday Party, the Bad Seeds, Grinderman or Warren Ellis. Glad to see them getting some love on here though

Would've given points to Roxy Music too if the list was a little longer

The Nick Cave song you mention was indeed with the Bad Seeds (and Kylie) No idea why Polyhex says it isn't

You see I agree with much of what you say here. The show has always been progressive and I will always support that. It has also changed and whilst it isn't the way I'd prefer the show to be (darker, more serious less sexualised and more adult in tone) that isn't the problem. I take issue with elements in the writing, characterisation and inconsistent storytelling. For instance The Doctor taking all of 5 minutes to get horny over Rogue goes against decades of crafting a character who was always at odds with people who operate as a bounty hunter. Not to mention 13 rejected Yaz despite a close and clearly mutual affection. When RTD decided to make The Doctor and Rose sort of a couple he opened a can of worms that has thrown up loads of inconsistencies, contradictions and historical errors that it has become more of a mess the longer it goes on and it now seems to be a similar approach across the board. Most of that I can live with and sometimes it really works if you ignore the obvious (River, Missy, Pompadour, Harkness) but the real concern is he seems to be pushing the show in an increasingly niche direction much like JNT did in the mid 80s and that's potentially dangerous territory. Would I say I'm enjoying the show? Mostly but there have been some stinkers, some underwhelming episodes a really good one and a couple of bangers. It's not the worst season ever for me but it's nearer the bottom than the top and the problem remains the writing. .

No, I got your point, it was just wrong from my perspective. Trust me I'm really not talking about it all the time. I only know two other people who still watch it and we almost never discuss it as I only see them once a month. This is the only place where I converse with other people about it at all.

Perhaps, slightly misleading as in most of those series episode 6 would fall in the mid season slump though and there was traditional a boost as the finale arrived. This doesn't seem to be happening this year

What a strange comment. People who care about the show will talk about it, whether they think it is making mistakes or doing well. There are just less people who care lately.

Americans can be quite funny about the phrase 'God damned' or variants thereof so it may be something along those lines.

However you try to spin it, a show that starts off with 2.6M viewers on week one and then loses 20% of them in only 5 weeks is not setting the world alight and is on the wrong trajectory. https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/uk-doctor-who...2024-101452.htm

Every single musician I know who has commented on AI in music seems dead set against it, so I was wondering what a broader spectrum of people on here thought about it. Personally, I can see the possibilities, particularly following The Beatles' single this year but how far is too far? And where should the line be drawn, if at all?

I haven't seen a discussion on this. Thoughts? https://www.loudersound.com/news/universal-...ic-soundlabs-ai Universal Music, the biggest music company in the world, has signed a deal with artificial intelligence start-up Soundlabs to create what it calls "official ultra-high fidelity vocal models for artists using their own voice data for training while retaining control over ownership and giving them full artistic approval and control of the output." In a nutshell, the deal allows singers signed to the label to train AI models using their own voices, meaning that that Jon Bon Jovi – in theory, at least – could record a new album using AI-generated vocals without committing his own voice to tape. The deal ensures that artists retain ownership of the results and are given full artistic approval on how they're used, so that not everyone can make a new Bon Jovi album. In a press release, Universal Music say, "It empowers artists and producers to explore bleeding-edge vocal transformations, including voice-to-voice, voice-to-instrument, speech-to-singing, language transposition, and a myriad of previously impossible vocal transformations. Together, UMG and SoundLabs are collaborating to allow UMG artists to create custom vocal models that will be available for their exclusive creative use cases, and not available to the general public." "It's a tremendous honor to be working with the forward-thinking and creatively aligned Universal Music Group," adds Soundlabs founder BT, who dance music fans may remember from the 1986 hit Blue Skies, featuring Tori Amos. "We believe the future of music creation is decidedly human. Artificial intelligence, when used ethically and trained consensually, has the Promethean ability to unlock unimaginable new creative insights, diminish friction in the creative process and democratize creativity for artists, fans, and creators of all stripes. "We are designing tools not to replace human artists, but to amplify human creativity." Soundlabs describe themselves as producing "ethically trained AI assistive tools for musicians that put the power in musicians' hands, and keeps it there", but the use of AI has been proposed in more controversial ways elsewhere. In the new issue of Classic Rock – out this Friday – Peter Frampton talks about recent plans to release AI-assisted recordings of Humble Pie using "new" vocals from late singer Steve Marriott. "If they [AI technicians] can do it to Steve and they’ve done it to me, what comes next? How far will they go?” says Frampton. “For me there is no place for such fakery. Using somebody’s immortal voice for anything other than its original purpose is just wrong."

Would have liked to have given points in recognition of quality for Sonic Youth, Interpol, Editors, Strokes and maybe Primal Scream but although it pains me (especially Sonic Youth) there are just other bands I love more.

Yeah, that collection is pretty much my childhood.

I'm curious to know which definition of New Wave this refers to. In the US it meant a lot of the synth pop and New Romantic bands whereas in the UK it was more things like The Vapors, XTC and The Police. Not Punk but a polished poppier version that followed on.

I would just have liked Carole Ann Ford to have one last scene in the show before they recast Susan, assuming her health is up to it, she is after all an iconic actor in the shows history.