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 13th October 2022, 10:08 AM
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Yeah keep the semis, they add more jeopardy. Plus it's more satisfying if a risky entry qualifies.
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13th October 2022, 10:13 AM
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1BF I don’t think is particularly feasible with these numbers. Although I do remember the „we have to listen to how many tracks?!“ when we first did it and had numbers in the 40s. Personally I think that the kinda low 40s place we’ve got to for the number of finalists is a really good place and I’m very much in the camp of keep the semis for as long as we have enough of you wonderful people to justify them.
I’m not opposed to the idea of pots. My concern is maybe that if we start pigeonholing countries is Two fold. Firstly it’s to what level do we go down to because pop for example covers so many sins, and secondly it’s do we then kinda start to subconsciously stifle people’s experimentation by sticking them with a label that might not fully encapsulate what their taste is and their palate of potential genres. I am open minded to it, but it’s one of those things I am not going to like push push on a Host to carry out an experiment or push for us to do it. If a host however is really interested in running it themselves then they would have my full backing. |
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13th October 2022, 11:39 AM
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Hello?
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QUOTE(Silas @ Oct 13 2022, 11:13 AM)  I’m not opposed to the idea of pots. My concern is maybe that if we start pigeonholing countries is Two fold. Firstly it’s to what level do we go down to because pop for example covers so many sins, and secondly it’s do we then kinda start to subconsciously stifle people’s experimentation by sticking them with a label that might not fully encapsulate what their taste is and their palate of potential genres. I am open minded to it, but it’s one of those things I am not going to like push push on a Host to carry out an experiment or push for us to do it. If a host however is really interested in running it themselves then they would have my full backing. Yeah I guess here you would either draw people in a genre pot, or you actively keep them away from people that tend to usually vote each other highly. Either way, that means generally pop people who want to send something else one month may be dissuaded from doing so, or they might find the right potential audience for their usual type of entry isn't with them at all and they DNQ time and time again. The majority of my entries over the last few years have been dance, but I've had a few pop, chill out, schlager, and stuff leaning into alt/rock territory. Would I be put in a dance pot though, for example? Because clearly then I'd have little room for experimentation  There might be a way for it to work, but it would take some real strategic thinking and probably quite large pots. |
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13th October 2022, 12:24 PM
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 I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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I get the experimentation line completely, I wouldn't want to discourage that, though the ideal should be that regardless of what you choose to send, you should end up with approximately half of the people who would normally vote for that style of entry. Even if you yourself were put in the dance pot, you'd end up in a semi with about 10 people who've historically voted for pop most often, 10 people with the same for dance and 10 indie/rock people. With of course individual variations (I think there are slightly more pop participants and slightly less indie in general, for those you'd just put some of the more indie-leaning pop people in the indie pot).
I think even that, even just 3 pots would be enough to prevent semis killing off any potential big hit that just happens to get stuck with none of its fans. Actually, in that scenario, I think it might even be the case that you'd get other benefits, I wouldn't fall into the trap of sending a pop song for once only to get stuck in the non-pop semi where everyone who'd normally vote for me is turned off, and I know that if I sent an experimental song that I normally rely on at least a few of (to pick from my standard list of good bets)... Trifoski, Aelandor, Persephonia, Jadakissnia etc etc, I'd probably have at least a few so I stand a chance. On the flipside, you might get less shock qualifiers that semis sometimes happen when a niche entry lucks out. It is making it less of a natural process, but what you're effectively doing is ending horribly biased semis which randomness occasionally throws up. |
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13th October 2022, 03:43 PM
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Maybe we should poll and vote for one song to advance in finals from each semi after Semi Results are announced?!
If it isn’t the same thing what you guys already discussing!!! |
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13th October 2022, 03:51 PM
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Gia, do you know the order of the solos?
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I'm not sure how the pot thing would work in this scenario bc there are so many posters and countries here who don't fall into one single category
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13th October 2022, 04:37 PM
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down with jakewild
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QUOTE(Addy! @ Oct 13 2022, 03:43 PM) Maybe we should poll and vote for one song to advance in finals from each semi after Semi Results are announced?! If it isn’t the same thing what you guys already discussing!!! i lové this idea lol. WILDCARDS |
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13th October 2022, 08:49 PM
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is my brain across your walls?
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Don't forget to post the semi-final spreadsheets Rob
 xTbh I'm kind of of the opinion that the potential for the wrong semi effect is more of a feature than a bug. Any attempt to put a finger on the scales to prevent it has too much potential to have unintended consequences and not be worth the effort imo. Completely randomising the semis seems fair, you have just as good a chance of getting an abnormally good semi draw for a certain niche song than an abnormally bad one. |
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16th October 2022, 04:03 PM
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 Here to play, here to stay
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QUOTE(WaspBrë @ Oct 13 2022, 09:49 PM) Don't forget to post the semi-final spreadsheets Rob xPlease Rob. |
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17th October 2022, 06:57 PM
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I'm in a vewy bad mood, Bwadley.
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17th October 2022, 07:01 PM
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Gia, do you know the order of the solos?
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not me getting screwed over by the non-voters AGAIN *cough* Michael *cough*
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17th October 2022, 10:09 PM
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is my brain across your walls?
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Could have been top 5 if Meekul voted, sadge x
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18th October 2022, 12:16 AM
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thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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Yehesi giving us a 12 in the semi and then not even putting us in top 18 (!) in the final.
That’s weird. That’s suspicious |
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