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 Eurovision Song Contest 2024 · Controversies, All about EBU's poor handling of the contest |
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 14th May 2024, 11:09 PM
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Starmer wouldn't do F all that risked upsetting the apple cart.
Would be quite satisfying if they let Israel in next year and a domino effect of non-participation rendered the whole thing moot. Egg on their faces, thick and runny. |
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14th May 2024, 11:14 PM
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Satisfying? Not to millions of Eurovision fans who have enjoyed the contest for decades.
 Unless enough countries did that so they expelled Israel but EBU would never go for that, would they? |
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15th May 2024, 12:17 AM
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Malmö will not be hosting Eurovision for quite some time |
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15th May 2024, 12:48 AM
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Imagine fucking up SO BAD that you destroy working relations with actual CITIES to represent the contest...
The EBU needs a MAJOR overhaul at the top. |
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15th May 2024, 02:16 PM
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For an alternative viewpoint in defence of Eurovision and the concept:
I know nothing about what or hasn't been going on behind the scenes, but it's supposed to be a music contest above politics. If we start to judge the politics of individual countries there are plenty that should be banned. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2016 and weren't banned. They only got banned when it became blatant they were aiming to overthrow all of Ukraine and it would be a binary choice between Ukraine or Russia, there's no way both could have competed so the right decision was made about Russia. Israel was invaded and people murdered in October, and the Israeli response was predictable to everyone (including Hamas who went ahead and did it anyway, assuming holding hostages might tone it down a bit). All killing is wrong to me, no "whatabouts". There's been 9 months of build up to Eurovision and all involved have had 9 months of opportunities to resign, not appear and let someone have the slot if they really had morality problems about it, but they chose not to so by implication they had already agreed to the principle of Israel appearing knowing full-well what was the ongoing situation was - it's not as if it suddenly cropped-up last week during the semis. Trying to change that decision during the event or use it as an opportunity to virtue signal is not what Eurovision is about, and someone singing or not singing is going to do nothing to resolve the ongoing human disaster. Politicians will do that. Flexible morality is very convenient: "as long as I get famous and possibly rich I can make myself feel good about it by publicly slagging them off and playing to the cameras". If you feel that strongly about it, don't do it at all. You had 9 months to withdraw. If the Israeli delegation were being backstage rule-breakers, then reports should have been made right away with evidence for the EBU if they stepped over the line. That means getting very specific as being a dick is not unique in backstage Eurovision (that includes previous winners). What it doesn't mean is a right to publicly make political points out of it - the Israel song was rejected for that reason and had to be re-written, as were all previous attempts to bring politics into any song and performance. The EBU cannot be put into a position where they are forced to make political choices and if there is any evidence that they have been doing that then that's a serious charge and evidence should be brought forward. In terms of the Israeli public votes I can confirm from people I know and on X that the public attacking of the singer really got up some people's noses and they deliberately went online and voted for them (even people that have never voted before), so the irony is it became exactly the thing everybody was trying to avoid: based on politics instead of the song. And now everyone is blaming Eurovision giving ammunition to the haters who have always slagged the competition off for being political and giving them proof. Honestly, if it gets cancelled completely it'll be a case of "can't please everyone, so let's not bother at all" |
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15th May 2024, 03:59 PM
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EBU made it political by:
-having an Israeli company as main sponsor -allowing Israel to participate and do their propaganda and AT THE SAME TIME forbidding all other political messages Also, only pro-Israel votes were poltical, because you cannot vote against. They made nice money with all those far-right people voting despite not following the contest itself. We had never seen such a campaign for an ESC win before. Like I said before, Israel has EBU on so tight leash it's ridiculous. This post has been edited by Sour Candy: 15th May 2024, 04:19 PM |
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15th May 2024, 05:25 PM
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Let the floodgates open hunties!!!
It's so sad Eurovision rebranded itself as the gayest event in Europe only to really show this year they are still rotten on the inside. All the words of peace and acceptance are just empty gestures, they will sell their core fandom for a few million #FuckTheEBU |
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15th May 2024, 09:43 PM
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A whopping 16 delegations were involved in crisis meetings 
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15th May 2024, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(witchsting @ 15th May 2024, 11:43 PM)  A whopping 16 delegations were involved in crisis meetings 16 delegations were involved in crisis meetings, spoken out critical or sent a formal complaint. |
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16th May 2024, 05:43 AM
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I still think 5-10 broadcasting companies will withdraw if any substantial changes are not made.
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16th May 2024, 11:33 AM
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The Israel song had no overt propaganda, they were forced to rewrite it because the original was political. If Sponsorship from any company has caused decisions that wouldnt otherwise have been made, then that should come out in the discussions, as should complaints about entrant behaviour, all round. The contest could always go cheaper it doesnt have to be an expensive spectacle. Hopefully things will get resolved.
Russia didn't reverse its invasion of Ukraine when they were allowed to remain in ESC after Crimea, nor after they were thrown out after full invasion. The Russian acts got booed when they stayed in and it didn't make a blind bit of difference. Political grandstanding has always been banned, its part of the terms & conditions of entering and if contestants don't agree with that don't enter. If the contest becomes political it's finished. Over. So by all means acts should support what is right, and condemn what is wrong. All killing is wrong and needs to stop right now. But outside the Song Contest. If Israel is to be banned then so should every country which supports Israel, and so should every country which has dodgy human rights or supports Russia or is guilty of state murder or states which have turned a blind eye to murder. The world is complex and horrible. Far too complex to try and make a song-voting contest make morality decisions, that's not it's function and it's not fair. |
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17th May 2024, 02:26 PM
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17th May 2024, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ 16th May 2024, 12:33 PM) The Israel song had no overt propaganda, they were forced to rewrite it because the original was political. If Sponsorship from any company has caused decisions that wouldnt otherwise have been made, then that should come out in the discussions, as should complaints about entrant behaviour, all round. The contest could always go cheaper it doesnt have to be an expensive spectacle. Hopefully things will get resolved. Russia didn't reverse its invasion of Ukraine when they were allowed to remain in ESC after Crimea, nor after they were thrown out after full invasion. The Russian acts got booed when they stayed in and it didn't make a blind bit of difference. Political grandstanding has always been banned, its part of the terms & conditions of entering and if contestants don't agree with that don't enter. If the contest becomes political it's finished. Over. So by all means acts should support what is right, and condemn what is wrong. All killing is wrong and needs to stop right now. But outside the Song Contest. If Israel is to be banned then so should every country which supports Israel, and so should every country which has dodgy human rights or supports Russia or is guilty of state murder or states which have turned a blind eye to murder. The world is complex and horrible. Far too complex to try and make a song-voting contest make morality decisions, that's not it's function and it's not fair. Anything that uses nations as entrants is political. You can't avoid that, some part of the package will always legitimise that nation on the stage. Israel's performance of 'Hurricane' lyrically and emotionally paints a picture of Israel as victims, as a people undergoing a struggle, which is exactly the message they want to send out in when they have the spotlight in ESC and is completely at odds with their brutal actions in Gaza. In a similar way, this year's Ukraine entry used a visual shorthand of bombs falling past Jerry Heil in their performance but that's not a problem for most people because it's a good metaphor for what's actually still happening in Ukraine. It's unacceptable that Israel should be able to present this picture of itself while it commits war crimes. That's why Russia has been banned from nearly every international team sport and sports with individual athletes that normally show the athlete's flag have stopped showing Russia's flag, stopping them representing themselves as in the right for invading Ukraine. The same hasn't happened to Israel in any sport to my knowledge (in part because they have less successful athletes and why Eurovision is actually their main focus in propagandising themselves through international competitions) which is potentially why the EBU hasn't moved but yeah, countries committing atrocities shouldn't be part of events like these. And if they are they should be protested. Because it is the same as sportswashing. Only worse because you can submit messages to an audience in songs. Hopefully the fact that more broadcasters are issuing complaints means something will be done, particularly nice to see the Slovenians include the use of anti-booing technology in their complaints because using that shit is fucking dystopian. Any singer signing up to a bad-acting state actor like Russia and Israel knows what they are doing and who they are representing and if they aren't going to be banned (they absolutely should be), then at least represent the audiences' voices as they are. |
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19th May 2024, 11:45 AM
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So more tea spilled on Gabe's channel |
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19th May 2024, 10:05 PM
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Oop and once again they’re trying to portray themselves as the victims, Isr*eli media is claiming the Isr*eli delegation experienced “unprecedented display of hatred” from other nations
 this really has been an awful year for Eurovision, so many problems with it, the above video is honestly a perfect summary of all the problems. I really hope they fix it up for next year cos I love Eurovision but this year has had me doubting how much of a fan I am, and if I can continue being a fan
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20th May 2024, 05:29 AM
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I hope Switzerland's broadcasting company takes a firm stand and refuses to arrange the contest if chances are not made.
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20th May 2024, 02:45 PM
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She is back to singing October Rain just a week after the contest!!
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20th May 2024, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(conorw @ 19th May 2024, 11:05 PM) Oop and once again they’re trying to portray themselves as the victims, Isr*eli media is claiming the Isr*eli delegation experienced “unprecedented display of hatred” from other nations this really has been an awful year for Eurovision, so many problems with it, the above video is honestly a perfect summary of all the problems. I really hope they fix it up for next year cos I love Eurovision but this year has had me doubting how much of a fan I am, and if I can continue being a fanFor fans the video shows a lot of issued that need addressing but for the casual/general eurovision viewer they probably dont know half of this existed. |
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Wednesday, 12:16 PM
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Moroccanoil seems to be the main presenting partner again next year, a mess
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Saturday, 12:20 PM
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