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 12th July 2023, 07:35 PM
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Not being funny but while I take what the met says with a pinch of salt, you’d have to be pretty brainwashed to think that the sun was a more reliable source
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12th July 2023, 07:41 PM
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Yeah, the reporting of this has been pretty homophobic tbh!
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12th July 2023, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Jul 12 2023, 08:35 PM)  Not being funny but while I take what the met says with a pinch of salt, you’d have to be pretty brainwashed to think that the sun was a more reliable source It’s obviously not all fabricated though is it? The Sun are just reporting what the boy’s family are claiming - he very well may have waited until he was 18 to pay for photos but the family are adamant their “relationship” began when he was 17. That technically wouldn’t be illegal in this country but what would you think of a 60 year old chatting up a 17 year old? It’s 2023, these things should absolutely be called out. I just feel horrible for the family, now they have to see people online defending this predator. It’s no different to Prince Andrew but the reactions are vastly different… it’s odd. And like everything else is slowly morphing into a left vs right issue, The Sun vs BBC, when that’s just not the issue here. Old men flirting with 17 year olds will always be wrong to me no matter who it is This post has been edited by No Sleeep: 12th July 2023, 07:54 PM |
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12th July 2023, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 08:33 PM) The Met Police and the BBC aren’t exactly corruption free either. They’ve hardly had enough time to conduct a full investigation have they? We’ll never know the full story, I don’t know why people are so quick to take the Met Police’s word as gospel all of a sudden? QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 08:51 PM) It’s obviously not all fabricated though is it? The Sun are just reporting what the boy’s family are claiming - he very well may have waited until he was 18 to pay for photos but the family are adamant their “relationship” began when he was 17. That technically wouldn’t be illegal in this country but what would you think of a 60 year old chatting up a 17 year old? It’s 2023, these things should absolutely be called out. I just feel horrible for the family, now they have to see people online defending this predator. I don't want to come across as patronising, but you sound like you want the story to be true. The family went to The Sun newspaper to share their story - not the police. Do you not think, this is just the slightest bit dodgy? The individual affected by the alleged crime did disputed his mother and step father's claims. Furterhmore the Sun claimed this story as truth. Again, don't you think this is slightly strange? Both The Met and South Wales Police have said no crime has been commited, yet you STILL think it's a police cover up and believe the claims of The Sun. You've latched on to one side of the story and not even considered there's very likely a case of a real crime being commited here, by the level of blackmail and extortion. And if you think some of those messages are chatting up, then we both have very different opinions of chatting up. I've seen one message which could considered sexual in it's tone. Why the hell is this news? Of course you're missing the bigger picture The Sun has achieved here which is keeping Boris Johnson off of the front pages, again. Do some research on the Hillsborough reporting. |
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12th July 2023, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 08:51 PM) It’s no different to Prince Andrew but the reactions are vastly different… it’s odd. And like everything else is slowly morphing into a left vs right issue, The Sun vs BBC, when that’s just not the issue here. Old men flirting with 17 year olds will always be wrong to me no matter who it is I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. Saying the messages are inappropriate is one thing, comparing Huw Edwards to Prince Andrew is just plain ridiculous. I'd seriously take some time to educate yourself on matters and think about what you are posting. |
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12th July 2023, 08:10 PM
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 Research Hillsborough and understand why this paper should never be taken seriously. |
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12th July 2023, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 08:51 PM) It’s obviously not all fabricated though is it? The Sun are just reporting what the boy’s family are claiming - he very well may have waited until he was 18 to pay for photos but the family are adamant their “relationship” began when he was 17. That technically wouldn’t be illegal in this country but what would you think of a 60 year old chatting up a 17 year old? It’s 2023, these things should absolutely be called out. I just feel horrible for the family, now they have to see people online defending this predator. It’s no different to Prince Andrew but the reactions are vastly different… it’s odd. And like everything else is slowly morphing into a left vs right issue, The Sun vs BBC, when that’s just not the issue here. Old men flirting with 17 year olds will always be wrong to me no matter who it is Not all fabricated, so you do accept that The Sun have exaggerated certain aspects of the story to justify running it then? You're creating a strawman argument here, nobody is defending what he has done or indeed thinks it was all totally fine. I just think you are making some pretty wild and serious accusations which you don't have any evidence to support- from what we know so far (and this is mostly one-sided remember), he is not a predator.. an incredibly stupid man, yes absolutely - but this is totally different to the recent Phillip Schofield case, which was controlling, coercisve/ manipulative and an example of grooming. Agreed with others here- reporting has been incredibly homophobic. It's all a distraction anyway, from whatever shitshow the Government are covering up today. Edit- never thought I'd be on the same page as Rooney in a debate! |
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12th July 2023, 08:34 PM
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He’s a 60 year old man who clearly has a habit of messaging teenagers on Instagram for no apparent good reason - taking everything else out of it, that’s just not right to me.
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12th July 2023, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 09:34 PM) He’s a 60 year old man who clearly has a habit of messaging teenagers on Instagram for no apparent good reason - taking everything else out of it, that’s just not right to me. Nobody is saying it is not inappropriate, but you called the guy a nonce when we've seen no evidence to the contrary of that. "Strange behaviour" yes.. totally, but worthy of front page news? "Old man messages younger teen on Instagram" is hardly front page news. As inapropriate as may be, that isn't a crime. You've seen screenshots which push the narrative the Sun was trying to push and suggest and rollen in to the narrative The Sun wants you to think, based on your own unconscious biases that feed in to the BBC and presenters. They have completely backtracked now as they are obviously scared of an impending libel case (which will settle up out of court no doubt) and helped bury the real story of Johnson not handing his whatsapp messages over. |
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12th July 2023, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jul 12 2023, 09:54 PM) Nobody is saying it is not inappropriate, but you called the guy a nonce when we've seen no evidence to the contrary of that. "Strange behaviour" yes.. totally, but worthy of front page news? "Old man messages younger teen on Instagram" is hardly front page news. As inapropriate as may be, that isn't a crime. You've seen screenshots which push the narrative the Sun was trying to push and suggest and rollen in to the narrative The Sun wants you to think, based on your own unconscious biases that feed in to the BBC and presenters. They have completely backtracked now as they are obviously scared of an impending libel case (which will settle up out of court no doubt) and helped bury the real story of Johnson not handing his whatsapp messages over. And you would know that how…? I could just as easily accuse some of you of the same bias against The Sun |
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12th July 2023, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 09:34 PM) He’s a 60 year old man who clearly has a habit of messaging teenagers on Instagram for no apparent good reason - taking everything else out of it, that’s just not right to me. Agreed- however this as it stands isn't enough 'tea' on its own to justify starting a national campaign to hound and bully someone into revealing a part of themselves that they are not at all comfortable with, and as a consequence have suffered decades of mental health issues from. As Owen Jones has written (much more eloquently than me) tonight, The Sun is fortunate not to have blood on its hands. Just a thought. |
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12th July 2023, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 09:58 PM) And you would know that how…? I could just as easily accuse some of you of the same bias against The Sun I don't have an unconscious bias against The Sun, I have a bias against them, based on my experiences and their history. This is another example in their long history of printing fiction and sensationalisng nonsense. The Sun ran the story as the BBC is connected to Jimmy Saville/Yewtree, add that to the recent news about Philip Schofield. Read Galtone & Ruge's academic study on news and you've just fallen in to how news works and how the editorial team wants you to think. You compared Huw Edwards to Price Phillip - I'd say based on all the evidence and circumstancial evidence we have, that's a very radical train of thought borne out of unconscious biases. |
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12th July 2023, 09:21 PM
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This whole news cycle has felt so uncomfortable to witness and laced in homophobia. The Scum sensationalising "man purchases porn" to this degree... I don't think he's a saint (nobody's business though, for those in his private life to deal with...), but to out someone, ruin their career and cause their mental health to spiral just to push Murdoch and co's anti-BBC rhetoric back to the forefront, burying other important news in the process, is disgusting, bottom barrel journalism as per
Also, aside from Huw, it was icky to see others who had nothing to do with the allegations being dragged into it, e.g. Rylan's picture being used to accompany a headline about it which resulted in lots of disgusting comments from people who don't read the whole article. |
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12th July 2023, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jul 12 2023, 10:19 PM) I don't have an unconscious bias against The Sun, I have a bias against them, based on my experiences and their history. This is another example in their long history of printing fiction and sensationalisng nonsense. The Sun ran the story as the BBC is connected to Jimmy Saville/Yewtree, add that to the recent news about Philip Schofield. Read Galtone & Ruge's academic study on news and you've just fallen in to how news works and how the editorial team wants you to think. You compared Huw Edwards to Price Phillip - I'd say based on all the evidence and circumstancial evidence we have, that's a very radical train of thought borne out of unconscious biases. And it’s impossible for me to take the family’s side without “falling” for The Sun’s trap? Your argument is incredibly condescending. You’ve decided I have no critical thought, any opinion I have on this is worthless to you, so this back and forth feels rather pointless  And I used Prince Andrew as an example due to the similarities - both older men rumoured to have inappropriate relations with 17 year olds. I don’t think it’s a wild comparison to make. It’s only now that I’m seeing a lot of people insisting he did nothing illegal due to the boy’s age that it strikes me as odd, especially when many who are quick to forgive and forget Huw’s misdeeds were the same ones who (rightfully) called out Prince Andrew This post has been edited by No Sleeep: 12th July 2023, 09:30 PM |
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12th July 2023, 09:25 PM
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I'm a little behind — so, the first allegation that The Sun ran with wasn’t even made by the person, it was made by a third party, their parent, without their consent? And since then both The Met and South Wales Police have said no crime has been committed? This has been the biggest news story of the week? I feel like I am going insane.
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12th July 2023, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jul 12 2023, 10:25 PM) I'm a little behind — so, the first allegation that The Sun ran with wasn’t even made by the person, it was made by a third party, their parent, without their consent? And since then both The Met and South Wales Police have said no crime has been committed? This has been the biggest news story of the week? I feel like I am going insane. That boy (there’s been a few since so I see why it’s confusing) was 17 when their relationship began and Huw has given him over £35,000 (allegedly) over the past 3 years, according to the boy’s parents. It’s not that surprising he would deny it, a lot of people don’t realise they’ve been groomed until they’re much older. The money Huw gave him also apparently funded his drug addiction, so it’s a very sad story all round. |
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12th July 2023, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 10:24 PM) And it’s impossible for me to take the family’s side without “falling” for The Sun’s trap? Your argument is incredibly condescending. You’ve decided I have no critical thought, any opinion I have on this is worthless to you, so this back and forth feels rather pointless And I used Prince Andrew as an example due to the similarities - both older men rumoured to have inappropriate relations with 17 year olds. I don’t think it’s a wild comparison to make. It’s only now that I’m seeing a lot of people insisting he did nothing illegal due to the boy’s age that it strikes me as odd, especially when many who are quick to forgive and forget Huw’s misdeeds were the same ones who (rightfully) called out Prince Andrew I'm sorry if I'm condescending but your arguments are ridiculous. You've just compared Huw Edwards to Prince Andrew. You've compared a man who may have allegedly messaged a 17 year old with someone possibly inappropriate to man whom is connected to a convincted sex offender and whom has countless evidence against him of groomimg. They are not simialr stories. You've clutched upon some Instagram messages which are not verified by independent stories and whom you have no idea how old the people are, apart from what the Sun have printed and have decided Huw Edwards is a "nonce". yes the messages are inappropriate if true, but this is not news and it is a complete waste of police resources when a crime has not been commited. 17 is not a child, so yes, while inappropriate, it is not a child.. we'd likely have half the country in jail if this was the case. |
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12th July 2023, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jul 12 2023, 10:38 PM) I'm sorry if I'm condescending but your arguments are ridiculous. You've just compared Huw Edwards to Prince Andrew. You've compared a man who may have allegedly messaged a 17 year old with someone possibly inappropriate to man whom is connected to a convincted sex offender and whom has countless evidence against him of groomimg. They are not simialr stories. You've clutched upon some Instagram messages which are not verified by independent stories and whom you have no idea how old the people are, apart from what the Sun have printed and have decided Huw Edwards is a "nonce". yes the messages are inappropriate if true, but this is not news and it is a complete waste of police resources when a crime has not been commited. 17 is not a child, so yes, while inappropriate, it is not a child.. we'd likely have half the country in jail if this was the case. 17 is a child to me so I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye on this |
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12th July 2023, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(No Sleeep @ Jul 12 2023, 10:34 PM) That boy (there’s been a few since so I see why it’s confusing) was 17 when their relationship began and Huw has given him over £35,000 (allegedly) over the past 3 years, according to the boy’s parents. It’s not that surprising he would deny it, a lot of people don’t realise they’ve been groomed until they’re much older. The money Huw gave him also apparently funded his drug addiction, so it’s a very sad story all round. Good to see you can read sarcasm as well as fictional truths. |
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12th July 2023, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jul 12 2023, 10:42 PM) Good to see you can read sarcasm as well as fictional truths. I was giving a more detailed explanation of the events as I really can’t comprehend how some of you can support him through this. The boy’s FAMILY are the ones making these accusations, not just The Sun. Technically all of that can be true and not be a crime. Still morally reprehensible Pretty disgusting you can read all of that and decide to make some wisecrack about me not understanding sarcasm This post has been edited by No Sleeep: 12th July 2023, 09:46 PM |
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