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 8th May 2024, 04:28 PM
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Omg sounds like a car crash waiting to happen
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8th May 2024, 04:29 PM
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nabad
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I'm sorry but she's absolutely deranged.
I've tried to have some sort of sympathy towards her given how she was portrayed in the show, but I've come to the conclusion that it's Jessica Gunning's character and the marvellous way she portrays the character you end up feeling sorry for, more-so than Fiona herself. All of the Facebook statuses since its release, and then jumping straight into a TV interview with Piers Morgan of all people... no thanks. |
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8th May 2024, 04:50 PM
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Bit irresponsible of Piers but what's new? It will get big ratings and he will boast about it but that woman is severely deranged
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8th May 2024, 05:49 PM
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Yea I can already tell there's going to be absolutely no tact to this and probably a lot of exploitation, I don't think she could have picked a worst person to be interviewed by. It's hard to empathise with her at all given how she's acted online since she got wind of the series, I'd hope she'd have some sort of psych evaluation before the interview, I think that would be appropriate as a duty of care. I don't believe she'll have anything more to say than what she's already posted a hundred times on her Facebook, her main goal will likely be to assassinate Richard Gadd's character rather than tell her version of the situation.
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8th May 2024, 06:11 PM
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I agree it is hard to empathise with her... but I'm absolutely disgusted at Piers and his team exploiting someone like this. I definitely won't be watching or clicking on anything to do with it.
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8th May 2024, 06:13 PM
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Although I bet nobody offers her a drink between takes
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8th May 2024, 08:39 PM
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Honestly I can just see him now offering her a cuppa as a joke and making it into a whole bit
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8th May 2024, 08:46 PM
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If Channel 5 still had Celebrity Big Brother, they’d probably sign up the real Martha to become a HM
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9th May 2024, 08:20 PM
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Couldn't not watch this interview, but bloody hell, this is a tough watch. She needs help.
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Thursday, 09:24 PM
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She's only confirming what people thought about her after finishing the series, Jessica Gunning did a fab job portraying her :')
I did think Piers was a bit abrasive with her and trying to put words in her mouth at points but she was tripping herself up anyway |
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Thursday, 09:32 PM
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Yeah it was a waste of time overall. She was always going to deny almost everything. It’s complex as the show is clearly based on truths but she was never arrested yet they had her in court getting sentenced, she’s pictures with an iPhone at the time of the stalking on twitter yet the series depicts her as not having one but pretending too. Overall it clearly added and made up stuff for certain effect. He also said they went to great lengths to hide her identity but the actress looked identical and it was easy to trace her so….clearly it’s not black and white. They have not really been honest either which raises questions because she’s no doubt deranged
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Thursday, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(Liam sota @ 9th May 2024, 10:32 PM)  Yeah it was a waste of time overall. She was always going to deny almost everything. It’s complex as the show is clearly based on truths but she was never arrested yet they had her in court getting sentenced, she’s pictures with an iPhone at the time of the stalking on twitter yet the series depicts her as not having one but pretending too. Overall it clearly added and made up stuff for certain effect. He also said they went to great lengths to hide her identity but the actress looked identical and it was easy to trace her so….clearly it’s not black and white. They have not really been honest either which raises questions because she’s no doubt deranged I think they were just expecting the sleuths and attention. I think the story was always dramatisised and in the interview Piers Morgan came across as not having done some research, but to be honest so much of the show just shone through in the interview and she displayed the exact same traits Martha did. I thought the bit about her mum not knowing was incredibly sad, but she tripped up massively not wanting to share her degree. Who in the hell has 6 email addressess and 4 phones? |
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Thursday, 09:46 PM
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It doesn't really raise any questions with me. I think it is perfectly fair that Richard Gadd gets to tell his story - and I think it's fair to change certain details as that is what would happen in most dramatisations to make a good tv show. My gut feel (and I accept that's all it is) without knowing anyone within the story is that he also has been pretty fair in his portrayal of all the characters within the show.
I haven't watched the interview with Piers but even the show itself makes it clear that 'Martha' has her own issues and may well have experienced some things in her life that has impacted the way she is - but that doesn't make her the victim in the stalking scenario and it bothers me a little bit that some people online are sort of siding with her and treating Richard Gadd as though he's a villain for making a show about his experience. |
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Thursday, 09:53 PM
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nabad
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I’ve not watched the interview yet but when she reacted to the clip from Lorraine showing Richard and Jessica talking about the show with ‘she doesn’t even sound Scottish’. SCREAM !!!
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Thursday, 10:49 PM
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my favourite bit was her saying she's been compared to Lorraine Kelly
No but I think this is just a case of her being so deep into her own delusions that she genuinely believes her own lies. I do think maybe there were some exaggerations in the show purely for the TV/Entertainment value but I don't think the story is false in general. What I will say is I am doubtful that she was ever violent and that's perhaps why the police weren't involved but then they should have put a disclaimer in the series if that was the case, the same way they did with saying she didn't do jail time. 'Donny's' back and forth with the police is a major plot point in the series as well so it does make me wonder why it was included if he didn't go down that route or if he did, why was she never charged? She doesn't seem like a nice person at all though and I can't sympathise with her, she's openly racist, homophobic, transphobic and everything in between. I get the impression she's not in contact with her mum and sister, she clearly doesn't have the friends in high places and the lawyer boyfriend of 5 years either. She must be lonely and that's probably where this stems from but why isn't she in contact with them anymore if that's true? There's obviously a lot more to it |
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Friday, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(Lindsey. @ 9th May 2024, 11:49 PM) my favourite bit was her saying she's been compared to Lorraine Kelly No but I think this is just a case of her being so deep into her own delusions that she genuinely believes her own lies. I do think maybe there were some exaggerations in the show purely for the TV/Entertainment value but I don't think the story is false in general. What I will say is I am doubtful that she was ever violent and that's perhaps why the police weren't involved but then they should have put a disclaimer in the series if that was the case, the same way they did with saying she didn't do jail time. 'Donny's' back and forth with the police is a major plot point in the series as well so it does make me wonder why it was included if he didn't go down that route or if he did, why was she never charged? She doesn't seem like a nice person at all though and I can't sympathise with her, she's openly racist, homophobic, transphobic and everything in between. I get the impression she's not in contact with her mum and sister, she clearly doesn't have the friends in high places and the lawyer boyfriend of 5 years either. She must be lonely and that's probably where this stems from but why isn't she in contact with them anymore if that's true? There's obviously a lot more to it There are a lot of traits of narcacism. She's created a fictional reality in her mind, which is exactly what happens in the show. Making up friends in high places is exactly what she did in the show too - as is the delusion of her story. I'm sure I've read that she was posting Facebook statuses about that the show the weekend it aired, but apparently she has not seen it and only heard about it two weeks ago. While I feel sympathy for her, this is obviously a woman who is deeply unwell. |
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Friday, 11:35 PM
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Oh wow that interview. The actress that played her was spot on.
It is sad she believes these delusions. Yes the show is probably exaggerated on parts but I hope she seeks help. |
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Friday, 07:45 AM
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She must have seen the show, or at least the majority of it. The amount she's been posting on her Facebook over the last few weeks only makes the 40k+ emails more believable, she could do that amount in her sleep I'm sure
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Saturday, 11:35 PM
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Finally watched this, I usually go through things at a snail pace, but I had major FOMO with all the discourse!
Incredible show, contender for best of the year, I've never seen a more honest portrayal of a reaction to trauma in Donnie and the profound effect of mental illness in Martha. There's so much nuance there, you can't believe what Donny went through yet you still despair at some of his choices and while Martha is certainly hateable at times, they did a fantastic job of balancing out the psychotic behaviour with that of a well-meaning, lonely old woman who just wanted the company. Incredible performance from both. A brutally honest portrayal of LGBT issues as well, Teri definitely complemented it really well. Certainly not surprising that such a nuanced show has attracted a response that's anything but nuanced, I'm not even entertaining the idea of looking up Piers Morgan's interview. There is something so beautifully yet painfully ironic that serves as an example for the ages on the study of humanity that this is all happening about a show that shows clearly the dangers of being drawn in to unwanted attention and not acting until it's too late...they do say life imitates art! |
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Tuesday, 02:35 PM
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https://amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/ar...by-exploitation
Scathing review of the Piers Morgan interview rightfully. Also his final comment saying “it’s on us whatever bad turn this story takes next” is my thinking too. I worry the scrutiny will become too much for someone involved. 
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