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 Debate: was Olly Alexander's performance 'shocking'?, as in what he performed, not how he scored |
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 12th May 2024, 06:10 AM
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 there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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Social media seems to be going off with this angle and I'm not sure if I'm in a bubble (in which it's not) and these are a minority of people being oversensitive, or if it actually is.
Shocking here in the sense of 'scandalous' etc. as opposed to 'shockingly bad' or 'deserving of low points'. Personally I didn't find it at all shocking. It was a performance with male dancers who did a bit of dancing together performed by a gay lead artist who was pretty fully clothed. But feel free to disagree, the point of this poll is 'ask the audience'. |
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12th May 2024, 06:15 AM
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Bambie Thug wasn't seen as too shocking so cannot see how Olly was.
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12th May 2024, 06:25 AM
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Zero shocking as scandalous
100% shocking as shockingly bad, the tiniest vocals, everybody I waas wtching thought his microphone wasn't working, that's how poor his vocals were, definetely the poorest performance of the show |
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12th May 2024, 06:29 AM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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Comments like 'it was too gay for voters' 'it was simulating sex' etc. I'm like...
It wasn't even unless that minimal kind of two men dancing together is 'too sexual' for general straight audiences. Some of whom should be familiar with Olly as an actor from It's A Sin... |
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12th May 2024, 06:34 AM
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it's 2024 and it's Eurovision it's normal to have over-sexualised performances and no one cares
the 2 dancers x Spain were far more sexual Olly's nill points were cos of his poor vocals not cos of the dancers |
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12th May 2024, 06:46 AM
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No it wasn’t shocking and I think that was the problem. I think when they decided to do this staging they were hoping to shock and get people talking and cause a bit of controversy. The problem is no one really was interested with everything else in the competition that was going on. Visually it looked great but apart from that it had nothing going for it.
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12th May 2024, 06:48 AM
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Somebody said that it was "too music video" like and I agree. It was a nice idea on paper, but not really on the ESC stage.
Also repeating my earlier point that there were other artists (Silvester, Nemo) who did "the Olly Alexander" better than Olly himself. He sounded like an amateur compared to those. This post has been edited by Sour Candy: 12th May 2024, 06:49 AM |
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12th May 2024, 07:01 AM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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QUOTE(Sour Candy @ 12th May 2024, 07:48 AM)  Also repeating my earlier point that there were other artists (Silvester, Nemo) who did "the Olly Alexander" better than Olly himself. He sounded like an amateur compared to those. This was exactly what I thought too. Olly was like the B version of Nemo's performance in many ways unfortunately/coincidentally |
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12th May 2024, 07:04 AM
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I think it may have been for some of the more conservative countries. The massive codpiece was also a bit much. Being a married gay man obviously I had no issues myself, but I can understand see why it would put some off. A lot of Social media comments I have seen were negative on it not being suitable for families.
 Beyond the performance, I just don’t think the song was strong enough. Still better than half the songs they did better than it still, but when have the public votes ever been down to that. |
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12th May 2024, 07:52 AM
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All I’ve seen is comments that it was - gay porn, homoerotic., etc
I mean if you can’t be gay at Eurovision…. |
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12th May 2024, 07:57 AM
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Not for me in the slightest. I liked it. But full on male homo-erotica (with no females to balance it like with the Spanish song) probably is for other audiences as straight audience can find it too much. Those were the comments from some people in the group that I was watching it with too. Disappointedly.
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12th May 2024, 08:02 AM
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Irish performance was million times weirder and should have been banned.
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12th May 2024, 08:17 AM
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Calling it shocking gives it a higher value than it needs, it felt like softcore porn and unnecessary for sure but shocking? More like trying too hard cringey. Of course this will be off putting to a lot of people I'm sure if the UK could vote for its own act he still wouldn't get 12 points. You can sexualise in an artistic or shocking way but this just seemed??? Not to mention it probably made it difficult to sing in tune doing all that which is something he struggled with anyway. Nobody on earth would have won Eurovision with that generic song but I dont think he helped himself with the porno
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12th May 2024, 08:24 AM
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I did find that it was a bit much for the average viewer at home, not necessarily because it was homoerotic, a similar sort of straight gurning would have also come across as overly sexual I think to my focus group of my family. Add to that that the staging was closed off from the rest of the crowd and the only thing you can focus on is how close he's getting with his dancers and it all comes off a little bit uncomfortable, while the song was not good enough to let that slide.
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12th May 2024, 08:33 AM
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I think the choreography affected his vocals a bit too but maybe the rest of the world just didn't like the song.
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12th May 2024, 08:33 AM
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If it had been shocking it might have done better. It didn’t really tell a story - it was just a load of guys in a locker room. I was watching with some gay British non hardcore fans and they just said “OK - so what?”
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12th May 2024, 08:36 AM
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No. It was a popstar performance, but people just love to be offended, especially by anything remotely queer. I’d wager Spain and Finland were more “shocking” if we want to make comparisons.
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12th May 2024, 08:42 AM
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I think shocking is expected these days, so I’d say no.
I’m not even sure the vocal was the issue, would he have scored more if he’d just stood in one place and sang the song pitch perfect? Or as usual were we overshadowed by bigger songs? Certainly it deserved *something* on the televote, and it’s true that the UK has to work harder for televotes than other countries due to our lack of neighbours and diaspora etc so zero is always a possibility with a song that doesn’t fully stand out as one of the top best, but it wouldn’t have been in my first five to vote for if I was voting outside the UK, so perhaps the song just got left behind a bit. The BBC can be proud of the effort they have put in over the last few years in terms of upping the ante on staging etc, but we absolutely must now focus on making sure the SONG is a 10/10 moment every year. And then try and match that with a strong vocalist who has stage presence and is going to motivate the public to want to vote for you above all else. There are so many performers in this country who I’m sure tick all these boxes, the BBC need to find one of them. But put the song search first, not the performer search. We haven’t managed top ten with any of the names we’ve sent - Blue, Engelbert, Bonnie, Olly so I don’t think looking for a very well known artist is the goal. This post has been edited by gooddelta: 12th May 2024, 08:46 AM |
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12th May 2024, 08:50 AM
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Schlagerdrottningen
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If we take the view that we’re improving one aspect each year, then hopefully next year we can finally get a good enough singer / a good enough song and then smash in 2026 *.*
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12th May 2024, 08:58 AM
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Yes in a way that some juries did vote for it, otherwise no.
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