The BBC is facing demands for an investigation after allowing two leading BNP activists to make unchallenged 'racist' statements on a flagship news broadcast.

 

Radio 1's Newsbeat programme introduced the interviewees as 'two young guys who are members of the BNP' - but a Mail on Sunday investigation has discovered that they were, in fact, key members of the far-Right party's leadership.

 

The activists claimed black England footballer Ashley Cole was not 'ethnically British' and spoke of him 'coming to this country' - even though he was born in East London.

 

More than 100 people have complained that the extremists were given an easy ride on the BBC's most listened-to news broadcast, and now leading politicians are calling for an investigation into whether it breached broadcasting rules.

 

But the programme's editor defended the item, claiming he had been inundated by messages from supportive listeners, some of whom said the BNP 'says what most of us are thinking'.

 

The row comes after the BBC's controversial decision to allow BNP leader Nick Griffin to appear on Question Time for the first time.

 

One listener described the Newsbeat interview as so 'staggeringly soft, woefully weak and uncritically unchallenging that I feel sick to my stomach', while another said they were 'shocked and disappointed' to see the BBC giving 'substantial and uncritical publicity' to the BNP.

 

The Mail on Sunday has discovered the full background of the two 'young BNP supporters' identified by the BBC only as Joey, 24, and 28-year-old Mark.

 

Both men are senior officials in the BNP party hierarchy, and one has a notorious history of racist, homophobic and anti-semitic views and is a self-confessed admirer of Adolf Hitler.

 

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The full transscript:

 

Randle: Do you think it's OK for people who aren't white in this country to call themselves British?

 

Joey: Civic-ly British they are. You cannot say they are ethnically British. It's denying our heritage. It's taking that away from us.

 

Randle: At what point do they become ethnically British? How long do they have to be here?

 

Joey: Well, I think it would be an awfully long time before someone would become ethnically British.

 

Randle: So when you see someone like Ashley Cole play for England, are you happy to watch him?

 

Joey: If he wants to come to this country and he wants to live by our laws, pay into society, that's fine.

 

Randle: But if he wanted to call himself British that would be a problem?

 

Joey: He cannot say that he's ethnically British.

 

Randle: Why is the idea of races mixing such a bad thing?

 

Joey: If everybody integrated it would take away everybody's identity.

 

Mark: I would be upset if there were no more giant pandas, I'd be upset if there were no more lions, if there were no more tigers, so equally I'd be upset if white people weren't here any more.

 

Randle: But we're the same species, which makes it a bit different, doesn't it?

 

Mark: You could say that but if all of a sudden there weren't any sparrows and there were only crows, I'd still be sad there weren't any sparrows.

 

Randle: Can you understand that some people are happy to mix?

 

Mark: No, I think people have been brainwashed. I think the media, the Government, have forced it down people's throats and they've indoctrinated people.

 

Randle: You don't think people are bright enough to decide themselves?

 

Mark: I think when people are bombarded 24 hours a day to force multiculturalism upon them, people are going to succumb to that. We shouldn't have to bend our ways to people who've been here five minutes.

 

Randle: You're talking like people here are on holiday. They've lived here, some of them, for a generation, some of them for longer. Doesn't that count?

 

Mark: Are you trying to compare somebody, or a group of people, who've lived here for maybe 30 years, to people who've lived here for 40,000 years? There's a vast, vast difference in timescale there, my dear.

 

Randle: My point isn't the difference in times between one group of people and another, it's saying they're not visitors, they are not holidaymakers, they are people living here.

 

Mark: If I went to live and work in another country then I would still adhere by their culture and they should adhere by ours.

 

 

 

Did the BBC go too far on this?

The BBC did not go too far in allowing them airtime - at the end of the day, like it or not, the BNP ARE a legitimate political party ( :( ). And trying to deny their existence just turns them into martyrs.

 

However, I'm disappointed that they were given a relatively easy time. They should have been torn to shreds. Why didn't the interviewer point out that Ashley Cole did not "come to this country" amongst other things?

And herein lies the danger of giving the oxygen of publicity to these fukkin' morons.... The BNP prove once again that they should be declared an illegal organisation, just like certain Islamic extreme groups.... They quite clearly do NOT welcome black or asian people into their membership, regardless of whether or not they were born in this country... Their comments about Ashley Cole prove that they are a totally RACIST organisation, and should be banned by act of Parliament, if they'd've said this about the Jews, there would be no question of them being declared an illegal organisation..... Abu Hamza was put in prison for his racism and hatred, these two should be sharing a cell with him.....

 

I mean, what the hell is "ethnically British" anyway... The English...? Who through the years are a mixture of German, Irish, Italian, French and Middle Eastern blood.... The Scots, who, through the years are a mixture of Irish (I myself am Scots/Irish), German (historical research has proven the "Celts" originated in Central Europe, from mainly what we now call Germany), French, Scandinavian (the Vikings with their raping and pillaging...) and others.... The "British" Royal Family are basically descended from the Elector Of Hannover, who was GERMAN.....

 

A few years ago, a bunch of so-called "English" people had DNA tests done to determine their actual ethnic origins.... One couple in particular really made me laugh, their pathetic insistence that they were "pure Anglo Saxon" (which is part GERMAN anyway...Saxon, as in Saxony, as in GERMANY..... :lol: ), the test was done, and the bloke found out he had TURKISH DNA in him... Oh, he was NOT best pleased and refused to take any further part of the prog.... Fukkin' TOSSER..... I would just LOVE it if all of these co**su**ers in the BNP were forced to take DNA tests..... I think the results would be incredibly amusing.....

Totally agree with Grim about ethnically British... what utter BS.

 

British is a nationality not a bloody ethnic grouping and as such any individual born in Britain is British as is any individual who undergoes naturalisation.

 

The BNP are utter cretins and the more exposure they get will show them up for the complete f***wits they are and hopefully be hoisted by their own petard.

And herein lies the danger of giving the oxygen of publicity to these fukkin' morons.... The BNP prove once again that they should be declared an illegal organisation, just like certain Islamic extreme groups.... They quite clearly do NOT welcome black or asian people into their membership, regardless of whether or not they were born in this country... Their comments about Ashley Cole prove that they are a totally RACIST organisation, and should be banned by act of Parliament, if they'd've said this about the Jews, there would be no question of them being declared an illegal organisation..... Abu Hamza was put in prison for his racism and hatred, these two should be sharing a cell with him.....

 

I mean, what the hell is "ethnically British" anyway... The English...? Who through the years are a mixture of German, Irish, Italian, French and Middle Eastern blood.... The Scots, who, through the years are a mixture of Irish (I myself am Scots/Irish), German (historical research has proven the "Celts" originated in Central Europe, from mainly what we now call Germany), French, Scandinavian (the Vikings with their raping and pillaging...) and others.... The "British" Royal Family are basically descended from the Elector Of Hannover, who was GERMAN.....

 

A few years ago, a bunch of so-called "English" people had DNA tests done to determine their actual ethnic origins.... One couple in particular really made me laugh, their pathetic insistence that they were "pure Anglo Saxon" (which is part GERMAN anyway...Saxon, as in Saxony, as in GERMANY..... :lol: ), the test was done, and the bloke found out he had TURKISH DNA in him... Oh, he was NOT best pleased and refused to take any further part of the prog.... Fukkin' TOSSER..... I would just LOVE it if all of these co**su**ers in the BNP were forced to take DNA tests..... I think the results would be incredibly amusing.....

 

Agree with all of that

 

The BNP always also make a big deal too about celebrating St George's day they are too thick to realise they are worshipping a PALESTINIAN

 

These 2 got off lightly, bet they wouldn't have the guts to agree to an interview off Jeremy Paxman

... im not so sure... 'not ethnically british', havnt the catholic migrants to america kept their ethnicity? havnt jamaican migrants who came here kept their ethnicity? asians? do they refer to themselves as ethnically 'asian' ? or british? you can be a british citizen without being ethnically british. yet again the whole concept of what british is raises its bi-monthly head... yes the british are made up of white european descended peoples... so? asian and afro-carribean migrants do not come from the same ethnic families... thats bloody obvious...but what i dont really get is why you lot on here seem to think its a BAD thing not to be ethnically british! :lol: you bloody racists! isnt that by default implying that ethnically british is superior to other ethnic groups? :lol: ... if ashley cole holds a british passport then hes british, but ethnically he ISNT, hes of afro-carribean origins (or half, i dont know wether or not hes of mixed race, if he is then he can of course claim duel ethnicity)..... i have NO problem with that!!!!

 

 

in answer to the posters original question.... no i dont think the bbc went too far on this, its a pertainent subject open for legal discussion and as long as it is legal then the bbc are right to air their (often unpaletable) views. hopefully they will show their true colours and be banned, but until then, they are right to air these points in this democracy.

the BBC also failed to mention the two BNP members were infact, the BNP publicity director and the one who runs the BNP record label.

 

one of which has been on a documentary called 'Young Nazi and Proud' where he got caught professing his admiration for Hitler and had also been charged with race-hate offences.

 

 

Do I think the BBC went too far? not really, but they definatly should of challenged them more rather than letting them promote their sick views.

There's no such thing as ethnically British.

 

Britain is a conglomeration of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each with their own distinct culture.

 

I doubt the Scots, Irish and Welsh would be very happy at being tarred with that label.

 

Ethnically English I can understand as there is an undeniable English culture (Food, Music, Dance etc).

There is a difference between celebrating English culture and doing what the BNP want which is insisting that any person coming to Britain abandon their own culture and take up a "British" one.

 

By the way Rob have you actually read what you posted coz it doesn't seem to make sense...

Edited October 12, 200915 yr by grebo69

There's no such thing as ethnically British.

 

Britain is a conglomeration of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each with their own distinct culture.

 

I doubt the Scots, Irish and Welsh would be very happy at being tarred with that label.

 

Ethnically English I can understand as there is an undeniable English culture (Food, Music, Dance etc).

There is a difference between celebrating English culture and doing what the BNP want which is insisting that any person coming to Britain abandon their own culture and take up a "British" one.

 

By the way Rob have you actually read what you posted coz it doesn't seem to make sense...

 

i know what i meant m8 and havnt the time now to explain it further.

 

they are related cultures, with related languages, ways of life and have inter bred for thousands of years... theres clearly no ethnically english, because we are part of a larger gene pool, a mix from europe.. but it matters not... the point is that theres NOTHING WRONG with having an afro - carribean ethnicity, or asian ethnicity... its obvious that asians and afro carribeans do not have the same ethnic roots and living here, there or anywhere doesnt change your ethnicity...

Yeah that I agree with but who on this thread is saying that it is a bad thing NOT to be ethnically British?

Yeah that I agree with but who on this thread is saying that it is a bad thing NOT to be ethnically British?

 

by default, you grimly, craig et al who thought its a nonsense, you all attacked the bnp for saying that cole couldnt call himself ethnically english... in fact the bnp are right.

 

 

by default, you grimly, craig et al who thought its a nonsense, you all attacked the bnp for saying that cole couldnt call himself ethnically english... in fact the bnp are right.

Erm... No. The BNP said that Cole couldn't be ethnically British. I said that there is no such thing as ethnically British for any of us. Ethnically English (as opposed to culturally English, which Cole would be) is something which I think is completely different. I suppose it's the same as White European or whatever it is that you have to tick on Government forms.

Erm... No. The BNP said that Cole couldn't be ethnically British. I said that there is no such thing as ethnically British for any of us. Ethnically English (as opposed to culturally English, which Cole would be) is something which I think is completely different. I suppose it's the same as White European or whatever it is that you have to tick on Government forms.

 

oh..the way i read it came across as all of you were just jumping on the anti bnp bandwagon when in fact they were actually correct...

 

nope, english is not an ethnic group, british is more plausable but i think that 'european' would be the most accurate ethnic group to which we white people belong. i dont think that by living here that it changes your ethnicity, indeed you might change your nationality but ethnic groups are determined by race and genetics, cole could live here for 200 years but hed still be of afro carribean ethnicity. (assumin he could live for 200 years :lol: )

by default, you grimly, craig et al who thought its a nonsense, you all attacked the bnp for saying that cole couldnt call himself ethnically english... in fact the bnp are right.

 

The BNP's sub-texts and agenda, like all NAZIS, is one of "racial" purity... That should be bloody obvious to anyone with half a brain Rob... -_- The facts are there is NO SUCH THING as a "Racially Pure" population anywhere in the world really (unless you're talking about ancient tribes cut off from the rest of civilisation in far-flung corners of the world)..... Which is the whole point.... The BNP are WRONG in everything they say... If you're BORN here, Then you're a Brit, simple as.... There's been so much migration gone on over the 2000+ years here, then, sorry, but you simply could identify a single "ethnically pure" Brit if you tried....

 

The BNP's sub-texts and agenda, like all NAZIS, is one of "racial" purity... That should be bloody obvious to anyone with half a brain Rob... -_- The facts are there is NO SUCH THING as a "Racially Pure" population anywhere in the world really (unless you're talking about ancient tribes cut off from the rest of civilisation in far-flung corners of the world)..... Which is the whole point.... The BNP are WRONG in everything they say... If you're BORN here, Then you're a Brit, simple as.... There's been so much migration gone on over the 2000+ years here, then, sorry, but you simply could identify a single "ethnically pure" Brit if you tried....

 

..... that aint the argument, and i agree with what you say...

..... that aint the argument, and i agree with what you say...

 

No Rob, you are wrong, it IS the arguement..... The facts are that there is no one in this country who is "ethnically pure", therefore there is NO ethnically British person.... And, it's not JUST a case of it being mixed in with the European races.. The facts are that many British people also have Turkish, Romany and Arabic DNA in them, but are actually of caucasian appearance because that DNA has been diluted so to speak over the generations, so, you tell me, what is "ethnically British"...? What does it actually mean...? It means absolutely sod all in reality.... This is just yet more BNP bullsh!t via Nazi Germany, these people spout on about this utter rubbish, they spout on about being "British", they clearly know NOTHING about the history of this country, and they have the nerve to claim to represent the "British"...... :lol:

 

Even the word "Caucasian" itself emanates from the Caucus mountains in EASTERN EUROPE..... :rolleyes: So, if the BNP want to find "racially pure" white people, I would suggest they look there......

No Rob, you are wrong, it IS the arguement..... The facts are that there is no one in this country who is "ethnically pure", therefore there is NO ethnically British person.... And, it's not JUST a case of it being mixed in with the European races.. The facts are that many British people also have Turkish, Romany and Arabic DNA in them, but are actually of caucasian appearance because that DNA has been diluted so to speak over the generations, so, you tell me, what is "ethnically British"...? What does it actually mean...? It means absolutely sod all in reality.... This is just yet more BNP bullsh!t via Nazi Germany, these people spout on about this utter rubbish, they spout on about being "British", they clearly know NOTHING about the history of this country, and they have the nerve to claim to represent the "British"...... :lol:

 

Even the word "Caucasian" itself emanates from the Caucus mountains in EASTERN EUROPE..... :rolleyes: So, if the BNP want to find "racially pure" white people, I would suggest they look there......

 

I agree, this country has been invaded so many times by Romans, celts, French, German, Norwegian etc etc that the pure British bloodline doesn't exist it has been so heavily diluted over the centuries

 

Anyone that was born here is ethnically British in my eyes

No Rob, you are wrong, it IS the arguement..... The facts are that there is no one in this country who is "ethnically pure", therefore there is NO ethnically British person.... And, it's not JUST a case of it being mixed in with the European races.. The facts are that many British people also have Turkish, Romany and Arabic DNA in them, but are actually of caucasian appearance because that DNA has been diluted so to speak over the generations, so, you tell me, what is "ethnically British"...? What does it actually mean...? It means absolutely sod all in reality.... This is just yet more BNP bullsh!t via Nazi Germany, these people spout on about this utter rubbish, they spout on about being "British", they clearly know NOTHING about the history of this country, and they have the nerve to claim to represent the "British"...... :lol:

 

Even the word "Caucasian" itself emanates from the Caucus mountains in EASTERN EUROPE..... :rolleyes: So, if the BNP want to find "racially pure" white people, I would suggest they look there......

 

its not the point i was arguing, i AGREE with you here! :lol:

Anyone that was born here is ethnically British in my eyes

 

then you are wrong and dont understand what 'ethnic' is....

 

it aint a crime to belong to a 'non british' or european ethnic group, an asian is an asian, an afro carribean is an afro carribean, that is there race, their ethnic group which you/they/we cannot escape.

 

if they are born here their nationality is british, not their/our ethnicity.