May I ask a hypothetical question here please. If someone said here that they were a BNP supporter and voted for them and supported all their policies, would they be banned from Perspectives or Buzzjack? Don't see why they would be as they're a legal political party on ballot papers but just wondered.

 

Got a confession to make Chris ? ;)

 

The answer is NO

 

Scott has said he would love to have a BNP member/supporter post in here and I would like to see it too so their arguments can be ripped a;part

Got a confession to make Chris ? ;)

 

;)

 

By the way I'm a bit puzzled reading through this thread. Is there another Chris who's been posting in it? :o

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You are nit picking Suedehead, you are talking about stuff from WW2 with genocide and millions of people being massacred, can you name a country with close proximity to Europe where anything like that is going on ?

 

How is that nitpicking? You're constantly going on with racist $h!te about "Britishness" and "indigenous people", ignoring the fact that Griffin and his ilk would class people like you and I as un-British as well. How would you like it if the British government offered you an "optional grant" to go to Israel? Of course you'd be f***ing outraged you idiot.

 

And can I say that I think this thread illustrates why people were saying posters were hostile to the Perspectives forum a few weeks ago. It's completely ludicrous that people are getting warned for saying the BNP should be banned, whereas blatant racism (referring to white Britons as "indigenous" and saying Muslims and other immigrants "stick to their own kind") goes unpunished. I personally don't think either warrants a warning (it's all debate), but if warnings are going to be given out, it's clear which of the two should be getting them.

Maybe. :o

 

By the way I'm a bit puzzled reading through this thread. Is there another Chris who's been posting in it? :o

 

You hate your wife that much that you would want to see her deported ? :lol: :lol:

 

That is what would happen if Griffin ever got power, frogmarched out of your house by police, put in camps near Heathrow surrounded by barbed wire and forced onto planes out of the country

 

Yeah Chris Fishlock (Mr Self Destruct)

How is that nitpicking? You're constantly going on with racist $h!te about "Britishness" and "indigenous people", ignoring the fact that Griffin and his ilk would class people like you and I as un-British as well. How would you like it if the British government offered you an "optional grant" to go to Israel? Of course you'd be f***ing outraged you idiot.

 

And can I say that I think this thread illustrates why people were saying posters were hostile to the Perspectives forum a few weeks ago. It's completely ludicrous that people are getting warned for saying the BNP should be banned, whereas blatant racism (referring to white Britons as "indigenous" and saying Muslims and other immigrants "stick to their own kind") goes unpunished. I personally don't think either warrants a warning (it's all debate), but if warnings are going to be given out, it's clear which of the two should be getting them.

 

My warning level yesterday was 0% my warning level tonight is 0%, Scott if there was any hint of racism would warn me and even demand my banning (he has before after a comment I made about Palestinians) and he hasn't so if he thinks I am not being racist then I am not being racist, this thread tonight has also been read by GM's Slick and Thisispop and again if anything was said by me that was inappropriate I would be in deep $h!t so you are seeing racism that is not existing

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May I ask a hypothetical question here please. If someone said here that they were a BNP supporter and voted for them and supported all their policies, would they be banned from Perspectives or Buzzjack? Don't see why they would be as they're a legal political party on ballot papers but just wondered.

Not at all. Indeed, I reckon we'd probably revel in tearing their points to pieces!

 

Are you sure that this question is entirely hypothetical? :P

My warning level yesterday was 0% my warning level tonight is 0%, Scott if there was any hint of racism would warn me and even demand my banning (he has before after a comment I made about Palestinians) and he hasn't so if he thinks I am not being racist then I am not being racist, this thread tonight has also been read by GM's Slick and Thisispop and again if anything was said by me that was inappropriate I would be in deep $h!t so you are seeing racism that is not existing

 

Saying white Britons have a higher priority than non-white Britons due to them being "indigenous"? Saying Muslims stick to "their own kind"? Giving a long list of things of what "immigrants" should be forced to do without giving reasons for why they should have to do it? These are all hallmarks of the BNP philosophy, so yes it is racist, not to mention unbelievably and hilariously stupid given your own ancestry.

Not at all. Indeed, I reckon we'd probably revel in tearing their points to pieces!

 

Are you sure that this question is entirely hypothetical? :P

 

 

Yes. Entirely hypothetical.

Saying white Britons have a higher priority than non-white Britons due to them being "indigenous"? Saying Muslims stick to "their own kind"? Giving a long list of things of what "immigrants" should be forced to do without giving reasons for why they should have to do it? These are all hallmarks of the BNP philosophy, so yes it is racist, not to mention unbelievably and hilariously stupid given your own ancestry.

 

I gave SEVERAL examples, jews, Britons in Spain, West Indians etc etc its bizarre how you only pick up on the muslim bit when I gave 6 or 7 different examples :wacko:

Multi culturalism is a failed experiment, parts of cities are like a seperate country and that is wrong, Golders Green might as well be Tel Aviv, Brixton/Stockwell/Clapham might as well be Jamaica, Bradford is like karachi, Tottenham is like the centre of Istanbul, Southall for example is like walking round Mumbai, and it is just plain wrong, people from other cultures are forming their own communities like countries within a country and just mixing with their own as opposed to blending in everywhere across the country, that shows that multi culturalism is a failed concept (I am not being racist I included my own religion) and it is just as bad with Brits living in the Costa Del Sol, they just form their own country within a country which is wrong

For example is a person coming over from say pakistan is he in general going to get a house in rural Derbyshire or Berkshire and so on ? no, he will just go where the fellow types are gathered in their own country within a country, that is what I am against, they should be mixing and living among the indigenous white population

 

Everyone who lives here should integrate and mix and scatter themselves around the country and be BRITISH and live the British life and mix with whites and blacks as opposed to their own kind

 

Awaits being branded a racist :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

Quoted for Danny

I am a bit tipsy so ewill reply to your long post tomorrow Tyron

You said that for my post last night, I'm expecting two replies tomorrow :P

Living as one of us, integrating in urban traditionally white areas as opposed to having their own mini cities, accepting the British way of life without complaint, in the shires a non white person is as common as rocking horse $h!t, I doubt Harve for example has ever seen a black or an asian except on tv that kind of thing, instead of having their own communities full of their shops and their restaurants where an indigenous person is an outsider they should be living in rural areas among us so that they can feel British, when in Rome act as the Romans do....

I don't think that's true for all of them, you mentioned Berkshire earlier. If I think about it, there were probably only three or four non white people in my year at my secondary school (that I can remember) but I didn't realise it was so few until I thought about it. (I'm sure there were more in the years below) But there's definitely something of an Asian community in Reading, at least on the road we take to get in, it's even got a Punjabi Silk shop and a food shop which mentions selling Halal food on the sign above the door on it.

 

I know you've moved on since that comment, but I thought I'd point out that I certainly don't feel as if seeing a non white person in my area is uncommon. The point is valid for the likes of Harve though, he's told me of his shock when seeing a black person in his area before, something I couldn't grasp at all.

Careful sticking up for me Chris, we might be accused of 'running and crying' again :rolleyes:

 

Rob, your points of view throughout this topic have made SEVERAL people question you for supporting the BNP or at least some of it's policies and that is only the SECOND time I have bought it up within valid reason. Frankly, I would like to see you warn me for that so I could go running to someone who can actually do something about it, because your one sided, un-debateable attitude throughout this topic has made me seriously question your role as moderator of this forum. I used to think you could actually.. y'know.. DEBATE without shouting down others for having a different viewpoint, but clearly Grimly is the only one around here capable of having a serious debate with anyone.

 

... james.... what i have clearly said throughout this thread is that i support the bnp to appear on question time and to exist as they are a legal political party. what i have said and stand by is that they have picked up on the discontent amongst the indiginous white population at the slow erosion of 'traditional' british values... changing harmless words in a nurseryrhyme for instance. trust me, there are alot of people who are considering voting for the bnp as a protest vote because the main parties are failing to reprisent 'us'. the bnp are claiming this element of the electorate as a result of the pc brigade scareing the main parties into keeping quiet over any hot topics.

 

what i want to do here, is explore WHY the bnp has such a growing following, and that is what i am doing. chris on the other hand was not debating this, he was of the attitude 'the bnp are evil and shouldnt exist and its ok for anti bnp protesters to use violence against the supposed bnp violent supporters'... he was not at that stage debating anything but spouting off like a child.

 

i have already a thread 'attention posters'.. in which i stated that rubbish one line posts would recieve a warning.

 

as for his assertion that i dont allow oppposing views... thats clearly nonsense as theres only craig on this thread who is on the same 'side'. its nonsense or inflamitory posts that i will not tollerate, and when he posted such i reacted alike.

 

IF YOU OR HE CARES TO LOOK AT THIS THREAD, YOU WOULD SEE THAT WHEN HE POSTED A DECENT POST I REGARDED IT WITH THE RESPECT IT DESERVED... and replied as such. imho he came across as a child spoiling for a fight because he hates the bnp and wanted to assert that. but that would (and has <_< ) bogged down the thread in rubbish, it hasnt gone into exploring why and what the bnp are really about, why they have support from people who hate them!

 

and just for the record... before you were born, i was active in the anti apartheid movement, signing petitions, writing letters to supermarkets complaining about their stocking of south african goods... hence i take you claim that i support the bnp as a direct insult which is unfounded.

 

 

I think the BNP has a following because 1) No other party will say they'll close the doors and allow no more immigrants in, of any colour. 2) Because whether gays like it or not there's still a lot of homophobia in this country and there always will be. 3) Like it or not, there's still lots of racism in Britain. So people agree with the BNP's stance on mainly these two points. I think it's as simple as that really. Think it's more the race/immigration issue than the gay issue though.

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EDITED. Duplicate post. Gremlins about.

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seeing as all parties backed the war in iraq i guess YOU wont be supporting any either! :P

 

The Lib Dems didn't.....

 

i think youd better watch what you say here, accusing them as such without 1 shred of evidence might lead to legal action against you and possible trouble for this site.

 

take your own advice next time you start on a rant about Michael Jackson then... Hypocrite..... <_<

 

It really fukkin' amazes me that you have so much bile for someone, who at the end of the day, was only a POP STAR, and certainly didn't seek any kind of Political influence or power, and then on the other you give a free pass to Griffin and the BNP..... You had even LESS evidence to "convict" Jacko of being a p**** than there is here to "convict" the BNP of spreading hate and inciting violence.... You really are a total prat sometimes..... :rolleyes:

lol... make your mind up, thet are either racist or they arnt! if someone is a member of a racist party they MUST support racism ergo they are racist!

 

That's a ridiculous arguement.... Did every German who supported the war effort or Hitler's attempts to bolster the German economy and make Germany a strong, proud nation, actually support his policy of exterminating the Jews then......? :rolleyes: NO, they had the wool pulled over their eyes, by then it was FAR TOO LATE for the ordinary German citizen to do a damn thing about the situation.... And this is PRECISELY what will happen if people support Griffin and his Nazis or give them any kind of legitimacy.... There actually IS a party which is anti-immigration, they're called UKIP... Difference between them and the BNP is, is that UKIP aren't a bunch of Nazi scum..... And neither are the other Nationalist parties such as SNP and Plaid Cymru.... Hell, I even find Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams less offensive than Griffin/BNP.....

My warning level yesterday was 0% my warning level tonight is 0%, Scott if there was any hint of racism would warn me and even demand my banning (he has before after a comment I made about Palestinians) and he hasn't so if he thinks I am not being racist then I am not being racist, this thread tonight has also been read by GM's Slick and Thisispop and again if anything was said by me that was inappropriate I would be in deep $h!t so you are seeing racism that is not existing

 

Craig's post wasn't racist.. I dont happen to agree with it though, because I see plenty of racial and cultural mixing at universities and secular schools amongst the YOUNGER generations (it's harder for the older folks, who admittedly are more stuck in their ways...). Which is why I believe that schooling in this country needs to be 100% SECULAR and frankly, I would shut down every single Religious school in this country, whether it be Catholic, Muslim, Anglican, Jewish, Sikh, Bhuddist, or whatever.... THIS is what is causing the divisions within our country, THIS is what the problem is IMO, and THIS is actually where the potential solution lies, it's too late for the older generations, they've become stuck in their ways, the young are the future of this country, it's them that need to be targeted and freed from the oppressive atmosphere of Religious schoolings and strict religious upbringings... If people dont like the idea of secular and culturally mixed schooling, well, they are WELCOME TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY, and that applies to White, Christian people as much as Asian Muslims....

 

I get the impression that Nick Griffin would be as full of horror at my idea as Abu Hamza would... GOOD, I'm not out there to please the Christian Nazis and the Islamo-Fascists....

My 14 year-old daughter goes to a very good, strict, all-girls Catholic school in East London Scott. It gets excellent GCSE and A-level results and 2000 girls apply for 180 places every year. Why shouldn't Catholic girls and boys go to Catholic schools? She has to travel 40 minutes but doesn't mind as the alternative is a rough crap school 200 yards from us. It gets poor results and is rife with violence against teachers and drug-dealing. The cops have to be there every morning and tea-time to keep order. Why should she go there?

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