Homosexuality shouldn't be taught in schools IMHO be it male or female, I believe in tolerance of homosexuality and have a live and let live attitude to it but I don't believe that it should be taught in schools, I am not being hypocritical as I am well into the BDSM scene over the decades and do I think that BDSM should be taught in schools ? hell no, nor should any other niche sexual activity and homosexuality to me fits into that catergory, while homosexuality should be tolerated kids should be taught in sex education classes sex between a man and a woman, niche things like homosexuality, BDSM, swinging and so on shouldn't

 

Your sexuality, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, is clearly genetic, and wholly independent of any colourful fetishes you may engage in (ewwwwwwwwww).

 

I abhor the connotation that being gay is some kind of >18 perversion, when it is just as natural as being straight, and should be taught as such.

Exactly.. I've been on Anti-Fascist demos... And I know exactly who these people are, and what they are... They are not civilised, they will NOT respond to reasonable argument. God knows, we've tried that... We've also tried legal methods to censure them... The court case against Nick Griffin SHOULD have seen him and his organisation disbanded and consigned to the dustbin of history, just like Oswald Mosely... But, it did not, he was protected... Obviously Abu Hamza doesn't have Griffin's contacts in the establishment, or he'd've probably been spared prison as well..... :rolleyes: It's not remotely hypocritical to say that when the law is proven to be inadequate to deal with the likes of Griffin, then the decent citizenry should be able to take matters into their own hands, particulary with regards to people who have delusions of grandeur like he has, the average p**** or scrote doesn't want to run the country and start ethnically cleansing non-white, non Christian populations, so, I would say there is a greater legitimacy to assassinate someone like Griffin than there is to assault some pathetic little scrote on the Sex Offenders register, if someone had killed Hitler or Stalin before they could cause any trouble, well, wouldn't the world have been a better place, we now have the opportunity to STOP another Hitler before he gets started, I say, someone should take it, they'd get a pat on the back from me that's for sure... The law is supposed to be there to protect ALL the innocent and punish the guilty... Griffin is one of the Guilty... Guilty of being hateful, guilty of inciting violence, his organisation is guilty of inciting Terrorism in the 90s with the Soho Pub bombing and the bombing of the Asian market in the East End... He is GUILTY, end of...

 

And, Rob, if you honestly believe that Nick Griffin and his lot are representative of "English Culture", then frankly, "English Culture" aint worth having.... Say what you like about Alex Salmond or John Swinney... They're not 100% completely repugnant, racist cretins..... You show me the acceptable face of English Nationalism, because, frankly all I see in the streets are a bunch of fat, lardy, loud, stupid, St George Cross waving football scum who wallow in racism and xenophobia....

 

Thank f*** someone on here has sense.

Homosexuality =/= Fetish. If homosexuality is a fetish, then so is heterosexuality. They're large umbrella terms for general sexuality, and within each lie thousands of fetishes which don't necessarily need to be taught (though they are natural tbh, you cannot control what sexually attracts you- just how you act upon it). I think tolerance of homosexuality, as well as gay history, should DEFINITELY be taught, especially to younger students (elementary school, etc.) It's after that age where bullying usually starts to occur and when tolerance is of the utmost importance to be taught.

 

I understand your logic Craig, but unfortunately it comes off as very flawed and slightly homophobic. I'm not saying you're some huge homophobe, but the fact that we constantly try to deny the existence of homosexuality to kids is the reason children get bullied for it. It's natural and not something to be ashamed of whatsoever.

Children are taught some of the basic mechanics of heterosexual sex (within a loving relationship). The point of this is so that children understand how babies are produced.

 

They are also taught what will happen to their bodies as they go through puberty which is happening to more and more children (especially girls) when they are in primary school. Don't children have the right to understand what their bodies are going through and what the reasons for these changes are?

 

Children are also taught that there are same sex couples but on no account are they taught anything else about homosexual sex. It doesn't promote homosexuality in any way shape or form in much the same way that it doesn't actually promote heterosexuality either. It just implies that both are natural instances of human sexuality.

 

Anybody who says that children shouldn't be told this in school deserves to be living in the Victorian Age. As for Griffin's views, it is simply an attempt by a homophobic arsehole to grab the votes of Daily Mail readers.

'repugnant views'... ?.... i only saw the last ten minutes but he does have a point 'im against teaching sex to primary school children'.. (not only gay sex), im not so sure that view is wrong!

 

i dont KNOW what all of his views are, but i do get the impression that the mere mention of his name or the bnp switches every pc body into 'hate' mode before they have actually listend to what he says.

 

i dont doubt that the bnp are likely to be pretty repugnant to many, but they have also tapped onto a real feeling amongst ordinary brits. we need a better, more reasonable party to champion SOME of the points the bnp stand for.

 

Please note... I said repugnant views not policies. He is a homophobe and a racist, wrapping up these views in policies designed to appeal to Middle England and Daily Mail readers.

 

His policies are based on the sort of Little England rubbish that will see this country further sidelined during the rest of this century.

I thought Griffin got off quite lightly tbh, it was a very lacklustre tame panel apart from that feisty American black woman, I would have loved to see the Tories send out William Hague or Ken Clarke, I would have loved to have seen someone like Clive Anderson on the panel with his barrister experience, I would loved to seen Labour send in Diane Abbott, bit we got 3 wet drips on there and the American

The three parties could certainly have chosen better people. Peter Hain would have been good but he chooses not to share a platform with the BNP. Ken Clarke would have been a good hard-hitting choice for the Tories. Chris Huhne did a decent job but that just means he wasn't quite as boring as he usually is. Simon Hughes would have been a better choice.

I've never willingly watched an episode of Question Time, but I decided to watch this, despite not really having much understanding or interest in politics. It was just obvious must-see viewing, whether you're out of your depth as a viewer or not. I was completely shocked by this guy. He was possibly worse than I'd imagined, a hideously ugly man, inside and out.

 

The way he was stumbling around trying to back out of things he'd clearly said and being downright pedantic was just cringeworthy. He admitted to general awful statements he'd made, but picked at the minute details that didn't matter so much. Some parts were downright laughable, from mentioning the 'non-violent KKK' to just 'changing his mind' over his Holocaust denial. :blink:

 

I really don't understand his concept of 'pure British' people, he talks about 'real British people' being those who have been here for the last 17,000 years. I wonder if he's checked his family history that far back as I'd be surprised if his heritage went back that far without a single person coming from outside of the UK. (or is he just talking people of another race/religion here?) I certainly don't know if my family have lived in the UK for the last 17,000 years. :unsure:

 

As for him openly admitting, without a hint of shame that he finds men kissing 'really creepy' and how they don't understand it but it's how he, Christians and others feel. My jaw just dropped. Maybe I'm too cushioned in this PC era but, if you actually think that, you don't admit to it in public. I noticed the Baroness for the Conservatives skirted around her true feelings when being questioned about the issue. I found that more professional, but more dishonest than Nick. At least he said what he thought?

 

It's just upsetting that there were thousands of people at home, probably agreeing and nodding their heads to most of what he said, someone voted for them after all.

 

I'm also shocked by the comparison of BDSM to homosexuality from someone in here. As already explained, fetish and sexuality are totally different things. A fetish is surely something you add to your sexuality and want to do? Being gay isn't a choice or something you can change if you don't like it. That's the sort of thing that needs to be taught in schools, the way they talk about it, the likes of Nick Griffin seem to think the idea of 'teaching homosexuality' would entail brainwashing school children and showing them gay pornography. :wacko:

Here is a site that is very therapeutic:

 

http://www.slapnickgriffin.co.uk/

 

Or you could see how many of his "friends" live near to you:

 

BNP Proximity search

 

 

 

who says gays are born gay?

 

I dont think there is a BDSM gene tbh Craig, scientifically I dont think people are born in that way.

 

I can only speak for myself but in near on 44 years I have never eyed up another guy in any sort of situation or got any urges in male company and I was educated for part of my school life at an all male boarding school where nude lads would be seen evry day, not once did I get hard being surrounded by nude males etc etc so I do think people are born gay and that there is a "gay gene" and gays are just the way they are through genetics

 

I am in favour of kids being taught to tolerate gays and to accept homosexuals but what I don't want to see is schools feeding kids gay propaganda and the mechanics of homosexuality

I am in favour of kids being taught to tolerate gays and to accept homosexuals but what I don't want to see is schools feeding kids gay propaganda and the mechanics of homosexuality

 

Well, surely it all depends on the level... You cant possibly just put a blanket ban on Homosexuality awareness in Secondary school, that's frankly ludicrous, it's this age, 13/14 upwards that gay teenagers start to get these urges, you cant just be in denial about that FFS.... It HAS to be "taught" and explained in a sober, no-nonsense way that doesn't allow for any ambiguity or hearsay to develop... Look at the 1980s for example and the ignorance about AIDS being the "Gay Plague", what arrant nonsense that was, not only was it an out and out Homophobic LIE, but it gave heterosexual people the completely FALSE impression that they were immune to it..... That was purely down to bad education and hearsay....

 

And, I have to agree, there is a very real difference between a Sexuality (which is hardwired you cant just "take it or leave it") and a Fetish (which isn't, it is a PREFERANCE which one can take or leave), I've yet to hear about the 13/14 year olds who have a "natural urge" to be tied up, gagged and whipped....

 

Well, surely it all depends on the level... You cant possibly just put a blanket ban on Homosexuality awareness in Secondary school, that's frankly ludicrous, it's this age, 13/14 upwards that gay teenagers start to get these urges, you cant just be in denial about that FFS.... It HAS to be "taught" and explained in a sober, no-nonsense way that doesn't allow for any ambiguity or hearsay to develop... Look at the 1980s for example and the ignorance about AIDS being the "Gay Plague", what arrant nonsense that was, not only was it an out and out Homophobic LIE, but it gave heterosexual people the completely FALSE impression that they were immune to it..... That was purely down to bad education and hearsay....

 

And, I have to agree, there is a very real difference between a Sexuality (which is hardwired you cant just "take it or leave it") and a Fetish (which isn't, it is a PREFERANCE which one can take or leave), I've yet to hear about the 13/14 year olds who have a "natural urge" to be tied up, gagged and whipped....

 

While it is a low risk as like I said I believe homosexuality is a genetic thing my concern is kids being brainwashed by homosexuality talk in schools and deciding to experiment as a result of this which to me would be wrong, not saying homosexuality is wrong but just that kids being coerced into things that is not their natural thing would be wrong and at ages especially around puberty kids can get a bit confused when all the hormones are running riot so kids getting brainwashed by their teacher about homosexuality could at vulnerable ages result in them trying it and their lives being ruined by bullying

 

I accept homosexuality and have no problem with gay people and have like I said gay friends but I have a "behind closed doors its fine" attitude to homosexuality but I just don't want to see it become a lifestyle choice through schools for people who are not genetically gay

And btw, who is seriously proposing we change the lyrics to Baa Baa Black Sheep?

 

my great nephew is in nursery school, his class has been told to change the lyrics from 'black sheep' to 'wooly sheep'... baa baa wooly sheep have you any wool.... FCUKIN BARMY! :angry:

 

By the age of 12 12% of students have engaged in sexual activity...sexual education is CLEARLY necessary at some point in primary school.

 

yep.... but the debate was about PRIMARY school children which where i work is 5-7 year olds (8-11 = juniors which should be taught the basics of sexuality), so i agree that 5-7 year olds are too young to be taught sex... if they are naturally inquisitive then its upto the PARENTS to educate them before the state does.

 

Homosexuality shouldn't be taught in schools IMHO be it male or female, I believe in tolerance of homosexuality and have a live and let live attitude to it but I don't believe that it should be taught in schools, I am not being hypocritical as I am well into the BDSM scene over the decades and do I think that BDSM should be taught in schools ? hell no, nor should any other niche sexual activity and homosexuality to me fits into that catergory, while homosexuality should be tolerated kids should be taught in sex education classes sex between a man and a woman, niche things like homosexuality, BDSM, swinging and so on shouldn't

 

if people had actually understood what craig actually said here, many subsequent posts would never have been posted... craig is spot on.

 

 

THEY WERE NOT VIOLENT FFS.

 

On all the accounts of the incidents happening inside tv centre, including one from Piers Morgan, the protesters were peaceful, it was the f***ing police being the violent ones. as always.

 

AND ANYWAY, BNP are far more violent than any of the protesters, I have heard more than one story of bnp members attacking non-whites, and that is a racial attack, not a protest against fasism and racists.

 

I have mentioned these thigns several time in this thread you just cant seem to get it into your head Rob.

And like Scott said, BNP deserve a good f***ing kicking anyway, the protesters could have been more violent, and they wouldnt have been as violent as the BNP are, if someone outright punched Griffin in the face it would be justifed, because of who he is and what he has said last night and in the past.

 

READ WHAT I PUT YOU ARSEHOLE :angry: MY POST WAS SEVERELY CRITICAL OF SCOTT FOR SUPPORTING VIOLENCE, AND LOOKY HERE, YOU ARE DOING THE VERY SAME THING! FFS!

 

ALL VIOLENCE IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, BY WHOM AGAINST WHOM... YOU AND SCOTT HAVE JUST SHOWN YOURSELVES UP FOR THE HYPOCRITS YOU ARE...

 

ALL VIOLENCE IS ABHORRENT, IT IS WRONG, end of.

 

 

who says gays are born gay?

 

try every gay person i know!!!!!

 

And, Rob, if you honestly believe that Nick Griffin and his lot are representative of "English Culture", then frankly, "English Culture" aint worth having.... Say what you like about Alex Salmond or John Swinney... They're not 100% completely repugnant, racist cretins..... You show me the acceptable face of English Nationalism, because, frankly all I see in the streets are a bunch of fat, lardy, loud, stupid, St George Cross waving football scum who wallow in racism and xenophobia....

 

.... are you thick? i CLEARLY posted that his party are shrewdly collecting support from the middle ground, the ordinary englishman, because the main parties are seemingly ignoring 'middle england'. no his lot arnt actually reprisenting english culture, but they APPEAR to, as the main parties have not yet picked up on english resentment. they are stealing votes from the main parties because the main parties are missing the point.

 

like i said, the bnp could easily be destroyed IF one or more of the main parties started to take OUR culture into consideration... but no... they darent, because it would be not politically correct, they would be deemed as racist, its a crime to be patriotic... BUT IT ISNT! and the longer the main parties are scared of the pc brigade the longer the bnp WILL pick up disseffected voters who vote bnp as a protest.... imho the bnp can only exist because of the pc brigade.

 

oh and if you think that being an english/british supporter of nationalism makes you a lardy, loud, stupid st george waving football scum, then you are totally ignorant of REAL people... you are completely out of touch.

READ WHAT I PUT YOU ARSEHOLE :angry: MY POST WAS SEVERELY CRITICAL OF SCOTT FOR SUPPORTING VIOLENCE, AND LOOKY HERE, YOU ARE DOING THE VERY SAME THING! FFS!

 

ALL VIOLENCE IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, BY WHOM AGAINST WHOM... YOU AND SCOTT HAVE JUST SHOWN YOURSELVES UP FOR THE HYPOCRITS YOU ARE...

 

ALL VIOLENCE IS ABHORRENT, IT IS WRONG, end of.

 

so why did you keep going on about the protesters beign violent when they werent, it was the f***ing police. i am not supporting violence here, i would if the protesters did, but it was the police, i do not support people (or PIGS) that are violent towards people protesting against VIOLENT c**ts like the BNP.

 

and for someone always complaining that this forum is for serious on topic debate it is surprising that you are the one to put in unecessesary insults such as 'arsehole'.

 

and also I dont see where me and scott have shown hypocrisy, we arent saying violence is wrong because the BNP do it, but then hypocrysing ourselves by saying its alright when its against the BNP, the difference is THE BNP RACIALLY ATTACK PEOPLE, where as the protesters (although were not violent) are supposedly violent to these violent racist facist f***s, which isnt a bad thing, because they actually attack people because of ethnicity, which is pretty f***ing sick.

so why did you keep going on about the protesters beign violent when they werent, it was the f***ing police. i am not supporting violence here, i would if the protesters did, but it was the police, i do not support people (or PIGS) that are violent towards people protesting against VIOLENT c**ts like the BNP.

 

and for someone always complaining that this forum is for serious on topic debate it is surprising that you are the one to put in unecessesary insults such as 'arsehole'.

 

and also I dont see where me and scott have shown hypocrisy, we arent saying violence is wrong because the BNP do it, but then hypocrysing ourselves by saying its alright when its against the BNP, the difference is THE BNP RACIALLY ATTACK PEOPLE, where as the protesters (although were not violent) are supposedly violent to these violent racist facist f***s, which isnt a bad thing, because they actually attack people because of ethnicity, which is pretty f***ing sick.

 

im NOT going on about the protesters being violent.

 

look.... you and scott both hate the bnp for their aledged use of violence against ethnic minorities ... and quite rightly so too...but you then both go on to support any violence against the bnp!!! if that aint hypocrisy then i dont know what is!!!! ffs!

 

theres NO DIFFERENCE between attacking someone for their ethnicity or attacking someone for their beliefs... violence is violence and is never ever justified.

 

at least scott has the grace to keep schtum over his gaffe, cos he knows hes in the wrong promoting any form of violence.

like i said, the bnp could easily be destroyed IF one or more of the main parties started to take OUR culture into consideration... but no... they darent, because it would be not politically correct, they would be deemed as racist, its a crime to be patriotic... BUT IT ISNT! and the longer the main parties are scared of the pc brigade the longer the bnp WILL pick up disseffected voters who vote bnp as a protest.... imho the bnp can only exist because of the pc brigade.

 

..... and on this mornings news a poll reckons that two thirds of voters dont think the main parties have a proper policy on imigration... it makes no sense that our doors are still wide open when theres huge unemployment. this feeds the bnp, handing it to them on a plate.

 

this backs up my earlier post.

I accept homosexuality and have no problem with gay people and have like I said gay friends but I have a "behind closed doors its fine" attitude to homosexuality but I just don't want to see it become a lifestyle choice through schools for people who are not genetically gay

 

what a load of patronising, homophobic old bollocks. "I have gay friends" - oh please.... how big of you. I'd doubt they'd still be 'friends' if you spouted off this demeaning nonsense to them.

 

This kind of patronising nonsense is exactly what I'd expect from someone who actively supported the abhorrent Section 28 in the 80s. Voted for it, in fact.

 

'Behind closed dorrs'??????? Excuse me? Why on earth should I live my life like a mole just in case I offend your sensitive eyes, Craig? Is my freedom of speech, freedom to do what I want in public, any LESS than yours? Why should I think twice about holding a partner's hand in public or kissing them in public? Do YOU ever think twice about this? And how would YOU feel if you had to think twice about holding your girlfriend's hand when going for a romantic summer stroll in the park? Or sharing a peck on the cheek on Valentine's night in a restaurant? Do you ever think by doing this you may offend someone? (although I accept holding both holding hands and kissing would prove quite difficult whilst in manacles and a gimp mask).

 

You've patently been brainwashed by your idol, Thatcher, who perpetrated complete untruths about alleged promotion of homosexuality in schools - would you rather it never be mentioned at all? Would you rather that the thousands of gay teenagers (who have a terrifically high ratio of problems with depression and a far higher percentage of suicides) be ignored? Wake up - homosexuality is NEVER taught in schools - never was, despite the Thatcher scaremongering..... sex education briefly covers the topic - not promotes it. Sex shouldn't even be mentined to pre-teens anyway... and most teenagers these days are a lot more savvy about things like gays than they were in your day, Craig.

 

Your nonsensical 'brainwash' comments - you can't brainwash someone to sleep with someone they have absolutely no inkling or desire to sleep with - how simple are you, Craig, to honestly think this? By simply ignoring and not mentioning something - that doesn't mean it's going to go away or that it doesn't exist at all - school is about education and discovery. In school, religion is taught as part of the curriculum (unfortunately) - did this make me go out and want to join a religious cult? Of course not - all it made me realise was that, yikes, there's a helluva lot of gullible people out there - but hey, let them get on with it.

 

I run classes of late teens/early 20s.... and it's refreshing to see the gay members of the class are the ones the others flock around these days - it's somehow 'cool' - especially the girls, the 'fag hags' as they're known :D . To denigrate someone because they're gay is regarded as deeply uncool. Long gone, thankfully, are the old dinosaur attitudes that you and your party tried to instil in people. And this is largely down to the end of demonisation of gay people, the end of the Thatcherite attempt to treat gay people as some sort of freaks, as something, as you mentioned, that should only be tolerated when they're hidden away under a carpet.

 

And for the record - I don't think I've ever felt as nauseous over a post on this site as I have by reading your repulsive attempt to equate a sexual perversion and a sexual choice.

look.... you and scott both hate the bnp for their aledged use of violence against ethnic minorities ... and quite rightly so too...but you then both go on to support any violence against the bnp!!! if that aint hypocrisy then i dont know what is!!!! ffs!

 

theres NO DIFFERENCE between attacking someone for their ethnicity or attacking someone for their beliefs... violence is violence and is never ever justified.

 

the BNP and their scumbag "supporters" attack completely innocent people... There is absolutely NOTHING even remotely "innocent" about the BNP, they are a totally SINISTER organisation, no different to Al Moujharoun and other violent Islamist groups WHO THE ESTABLISHMENT DID BAN, and rightly so.... The absolute hypocrisy of the British Political establishment in not banning the BNP is absolutey transparent... Well, if THEY wont do something about Griffins lot, it's up to US to do something, "by any means necessary" as Malcolm X once famously said.... And, if you're so bloody resentful of the BNP misappropriating English culture and heritage you shouldn't be so bloody mealy mouthed about it.... In fact you should actually be more pissed off than myself and Chris are that these c/unts even EXIST and should be out on the streets with the anti-BNP protestors putting the facts straight about English heritage in that case.....

 

All of you lot who stay silent and let the flag-waving racist scum hold sway are what's causing people such as myself to "misinterpret" English Nationalism... I'm going by my own experiences mate at the end of the day.. A few years ago, I was in Ireland for a St Patrick's day celebration and was treated like a long-lost member of the family, by total fukkin' contrast during a St George's day celebration I was subjected to listening to a load of narrow-minded, xenophobic cr@p... So, you tell me mate, if you dont want these sorts of people to represent you, then get angry and reclaim your culture back from these types (dont wait for fukkin' POLITICIANS to do it :rolleyes: ), just as we Scots have reclaimed OUR national identity from years of Touristy, Chocolate box, tartany, Country Dancing, drunken Glaswegian stereotypes and "Andy fukkin' Stewart" twee bollocks which has nothing whatsoever to do with Scotland in the 21st century....

 

I go by what I see, and the ONLY people who seem to be vocal about "Englishness" are the Football idiots, the BNP and the stupidly anti-Scottish/Welsh "Enlish Nationalist Party"... Christ, at least bloody UKIP were NEVER this offensive......

While it is a low risk as like I said I believe homosexuality is a genetic thing my concern is kids being brainwashed by homosexuality talk in schools and deciding to experiment as a result of this which to me would be wrong, not saying homosexuality is wrong but just that kids being coerced into things that is not their natural thing would be wrong and at ages especially around puberty kids can get a bit confused when all the hormones are running riot so kids getting brainwashed by their teacher about homosexuality could at vulnerable ages result in them trying it and their lives being ruined by bullying

 

I accept homosexuality and have no problem with gay people and have like I said gay friends but I have a "behind closed doors its fine" attitude to homosexuality but I just don't want to see it become a lifestyle choice through schools for people who are not genetically gay

 

WHAT??? What absolute and complete BOLLOCKS!!!! I'm totally with Russ.... How can anyone force someone to be what they're not FFS????? There really is no logic whatsoever to that argument... Dont suppose it's actually occurred to you that Gay teens are subjected to HETEROSEXUAL brainwashing on a daily basis has it...? Your argument sums up everything that's wrong with peoples' attitudes... You can claim all you like about having "gay friends" or whatever, but it's pretty evident to me that below your "live and let live" surface, underneath it's still the case of Homosexuals being something "lower" or "not equal" to the rest of society... Well, frankly, that is just complete SH!T, and it all stems from from completely discredited Religious DOGMA at the end of the day... You want to talk about "brainwashing", well how about you we actually talk about Religious shooling (and by that I mean Catholic/Anglican/Islamic/Jewish, etc, schools, not so much RE classes).... a far more poisonous and perfidious system of brainwashing kids than any amount of Homosexual Awareness...... <_<

 

Nick Griffin said today he was the victim of a "lynch mob" audience drawn from a city that had been "ethnically cleansed" and was "no longer British".

 

The BNP leader's comments prompted Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, to say that there was "no place here" for Griffin or his party as he urged Londoners to reject his "extremist and offensive views".

 

Fellow Question Time panelist Bonnie Greer admitted today she had to restrain herself from slapping Griffin last night, before adding she was glad she hadn't because he was "totally trounced" on the show.

 

Griffin vowed to lodge a complaint at the "unfair" way the Question Time programme was produced, despite the BNP's claims that his appearance sparked the "biggest single recruitment night in the party's history".

 

Griffin claims he was treated unfairly by the panel and audience and complained that the show, held at BBC Television Centre in London, was broadcast from a city which had changed beyond all recognition because of what he called uncontrolled immigration.

 

"That was not a genuine Question Time; that was a lynch mob," he told Sky News.

 

He went on: "That audience was taken from a city that is no longer British ... That was not my country any more. Why not come down and do it in Thurrock, do it in Stoke, do it in Burnley?

 

"Do it somewhere where there are still significant numbers of English and British people [living], and they haven't been ethnically cleansed from their own country."

 

He added: "There is not much support for me there [in London], because the place is dominated by ethnic minorities. There is an ethnic minority that supports me: the English. But there's not many of them left."

 

The Conservative mayor swiftly hit back on behalf of Londoners: "Nick Griffin is right to say London is not his city. London is a welcoming, tolerant, cosmopolitan capital which thrives on its diversity. The secret of its long-term success is its ability to attract the best from wherever they are and allow them to be themselves – unleashing their imagination, creativity and enterprise. The BNP has no place here and I again urge Londoners to reject their narrow, extremist and offensive views at every opportunity."

 

The BNP has exploited concerns about immigration among the white working class in some of London's poorer areas to gain representation on several councils in the capital.

 

It holds a seat on the capital-wide London Assembly and has 12 seats on Barking and Dagenham council, making it the second biggest party there after Labour, with six other council seats across three London boroughs.

 

The BNP leader insisted that his performance last night was "fine", despite it being panned by the press, with his own party officials admitting today that their leader had made a less than impressive showing on last night's show as he was repeatedly criticised by fellow panelists and jeered by a hostile audience.

 

Greer, the playwright and critic who sat next to Griffin on the Question Time panel, told the Daily Mail Griffin had been "trembling like a leaf" throughout his appearance.

 

Sitting next to him was "probably the weirdest and most creepy experience of my life", she said.

 

"I spent the entire night with my back turned to him. At one point, I had to restrain myself from slapping him. But it was worth it because he was totally trounced."

 

The BNP leader said he needed a second chance on the BBC flagship programme. "People wanted to see me and hear me talking about things such as the postal strike. One or two questions about what a wicked man I am, fair enough, but the whole programme – it was absurd. Let's do it again but do it properly this time."

 

He also said that he wanted to challenge justice secretary Jack Straw, who was on last night's panel, to a one-to-one debate on the issues of the day, and called on David Cameron to disassociate himself from the protests outside BBC Television Centre where the programme was recorded.

 

A spokeswoman for the Tory party leader said Cameron, who supports the campaign aims of anti-fascist groups, said he had no intention of responding to Griffin.

 

Griffin's thumbs-down on last night was not shared by his French counterpart Jean-Marie Le Pen, who predicted today that the BBC's decision to invite Griffin on the show would lead to a surge in support for the party.

 

The BNP later today posted a message on its website claiming that 3,000 people registered to sign up as members once a current recruitment freeze - introduced in response to legal action over the party's discriminatory membership rules - has been lifted.

 

"This figure represents the single largest block of new membership expressions of interest ever, and will, once formally signed up, have boosted party membership by nearly 30%."

 

Earlier today, Le Pen, who has previously described his own appearance on a similar programme in France in the early 1980s as "the hour that changed everything" for his party, told the London Evening Standard: "Small fish become big so long as God gives them life. All political groups have started as marginal before becoming important."

 

Le Pen – a member of the European parliament, like Griffin – attacked the "scandalous" protests over the BBC's decision, which he said presented a "narrow idea of democracy". "Trying to stop an elected individual from expressing himself on mainstream media appears scandalous," he told the Standard.

 

Le Pen's own popularity rose after he appeared on the French programme L'heure de Verité in 1984, before which he had been virtually boycotted by the French media. Voting intentions for the Front National in the European elections in June that year subsequently doubled, from 3.5% to 7%, and in the election itself the FN scored 11% (2.2m votes). A Figaro-Magazinepoll conducted after the broadcast showed that the proportion of those with a "positive opinion" of Le Pen rose to 13%, and then rose again to 17% by the summer.

 

He came second in the French presidential race in 2002, ahead of Lionel Jospin, the former prime minister.

 

Le Pen said today: "The BBC is conducting itself in a democratic way with regard to the English people. He [Griffin] will reveal his ideas. It's up to the people to judge."

 

Downing Street said Gordon Brown did not watch last night's edition of Question Time, but he telephoned Straw to thank him for appearing on the programme.

 

"He very rarely watches Question Time," Brown's spokesman said. "He is often busy on important government matters, finishing paperwork and other government business. He was certainly engaged on government business."

 

The BBC said that average viewing figures for the programme were almost 8 million – meaning around three times more viewers tuned in than usual.

 

By midday today, it had received more than 350 complaints following the broadcast.

 

More than 240 people felt the show was biased against the BNP, while more than 100 of the complaints were about Griffin being allowed to appear on Question Time.

 

Peter Hain, the Welsh secretary and former anti-apartheid campaigner who attacked the BBC for inviting Griffin on the programme, denounced the broadcast. "The BBC should be ashamed of single-handedly doing a racist, fascist party the biggest favour in its grubby history," he said.

 

"Our black, Muslim and Jewish citizens will sleep much less easily now the BBC has legitimised the BNP by treating its racist poison as the views of just another mainstream political party when it is so uniquely evil and dangerous."

 

Straw disagreed, saying it had been right to debate the BNP on Question Time, but stressed it was time for the political agenda to move on.

 

"Mr Griffin was last night exposed as a fantasising conspiracy theorist with some very unpleasant views and no moral compass. But now that he has been exposed for what he is it is time to move on," he said.

 

"There is no denying that many people are disillusioned with mainstream politics. The imperative now is to engage with them directly and put the extremist BNP sideshow behind us."

 

The Liberal Democrats' home affairs spokesman, Chris Huhne, a panelist on the programme, cautioned against writing off the BNP based on Griffin's shaky performance last night.

 

"The crucial issue is whether anybody who was watching the programme will have emerged from it thinking he is a more credible figure and I don't think that was the case," he told GMTV. "The more difficult issue is the surrounding publicity, where the people who didn't see the programme are actually going to be impressed by the credibility of the BNP as a result, and we will have to wait and see."

 

The Labour MP Diane Abbott said Griffin should not have been able to appear on the programme.

 

"It's all very well in the morning to say, 'Oh well, he got smashed,' but in the long run people who are attracted to the BNP will come away saying he was a victim," she said. "When you put the BNP into the mainstream like that they drag people on to their agenda. Everyone is talking about Nick Griffin. The programme has given him unnecessary exposure, unnecessary credibility, and giving more credibility to a fascist party in the middle of a recession is a very dangerous thing."

 

Griffin was repeatedly pilloried last night when he was dubbed the "Dr Strangelove" of British politics after attempting to claim the mantle of Winston Churchill and struggling to explain his denial of the Holocaust

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What a fukkin' TW@T..... Does he even know the meaning of "ethnic cleansing"??? In fact does this idiot even KNOW that London was actually created by the ROMANS who built the city as a trading city during their occupation of Britain...? :rolleyes:

 

Yet again, this fool proves that he has no right to take part in any kind of rational, reasoned Political debates....

 

I never thought I'd find myself applauding Boris Johnson, but he absolutely hit the nail on the head.... THERE IS NO PLACE FOR YOU MR GRIFFIN, FUKK OFF BACK TO NAZI GERMANY........ <_< <_<

he's like the school bully who, when he finally gets caught out, blames everybody else but himself - what an odious horrible man he is. But saying that, his squirming and question-evading was easily matched by Baroness whateverhernameis who, when put on the spot by Dimbleby over her homophobia, simply couldn't come up with a straightforward, honest answer. This is the woman who shouts about equality and acceptance - then votes for Section 28 and against gay civil partnerships - so there wasn't only one odious bigot on the panel that night....

 

Here's something I liked a lot... enjoy...