February 2, 201015 yr Oh come on Tyron.. He got paid $h!tloads from Hello magazine for photos of his wedding, and he gladly accepted the "Father of the Year" award (which he had the right to knock back and say "thanks, but no thanks"), so he WAS portraying an image of himself in a certain way, just like Beckham, just like Rooney, he's almost certainly played the media "game"... What kind of husband or indeed FATHER then betrays his family by first having an affair with a team-mate's girlfriend and then actually co-ercing her to have and abortion...? "Dad of the Year"!!?? Yeah, right.... We kick the arses of Politicians who present themselves to the media and to the country in one way and then later on get exposed as liars and hypocrites, so I think that "celebs" such as Terry who play the media game should also get a good kicking when they're found out.... The Media is not a tap mate, you cant just turn it on or off when it suits.... And it HAS suited him in the past to play the game, and not just on the pitch.... Let's just compare footballers to Olympic Athletes shall we...? Footballers - guilty of absolute shocking behaviour, Athletes - impeccable sportspersons in competition, and real role-models off the track... No competition as to who really deserves the country's respect in my view..... Yes, we do kick the arses of politicians who present themselves in one way and are then exposed in another, but frankly I disagree with any implication that they ought to be fired as a result of what they choose to do in their private lives! I'm not defending his attempts to manipulate the media and have it all one way, but I certainly don't think that it should at all impinge on his career - the punishment is in the treatment he's getting now is it not? :lol: This is a debate over whether he should still be allowed to serve his country, not a debate over who deserves our respect! :P
February 2, 201015 yr I don't think John terry should be kicked out of the England squad or stripped from being captain. What he did was wrong but he hasn't really broken the law and why should private life matter? What Steven Gerrard did was far worse and he is still captain of Liverpool. DISGRACE!
February 2, 201015 yr I don't think John terry should be kicked out of the England squad or stripped from being captain. What he did was wrong but he hasn't really broken the law and why should private life matter? What Steven Gerrard did was far worse and he is still captain of Liverpool. DISGRACE! Excuse me, Steven Gerrard was correctly found NOT GUILTY of any offence. The jury accepted his plea of Not Guilty due to self defence. And even if he was found guilty it had nothing to do with football matters (other than the moronic DJ a Manchester United season ticket holder booked at the last minute in a regular Liverpool FC drinking hole decided to play "Glory Glory Man United" when Steven Gerrard asked him to play Phil Collins' "Easy Lover" (cue gags about having a criminal record) and all chaos ensued (in the legal profession at the time many people's view that the DJ should have been charged with incitement, and as Roy Keane remarked "The DJ got off lightly. ....... A Liverpool DJ/fan would have been lucky to escape with his life if he did the same thing in a Manchester United pub")) in relation to lettting down the trusts of his team mates. Where as John Terry: Was involved in a 2002 incident at a West London nightclub with Chelsea team mate Jody Morris and Wimbledon's Des Byrne. He was charged with assault and affray, but later cleared. During the affair, he was given a temporary ban from the England national side by the FA. Previously, along with Chelsea team-mates Frank Lampard, Jody Morris, Eiður Guðjohnsen and former team-mate Frank Sinclair, in September 2001 Terry was fined two weeks wages by Chelsea after drunkenly harassing grieving American tourists in the immediate aftermath of the September 11 attacks. Yes, lets all applaud a fabulous role model who makes David Beckham seem like John The Baptist in comparison. :rolleyes: I can't believe some of the nutjobs in this thread i just can't. Talk about a lack of morality. Especially as they are not living in the real world as this excellent BBC magazine piece shows: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8492488.stm When push comes to shove, however, in a messy employee dispute, bosses might well need to know their standing should the office battle advance to the court room. Talking, feeling, and action plans aside, would it be right to sack a wrongdoer? In a case like John Terry's, yes, says Jason Galbraith-Marten, an employment barrister at Cloisters chambers. The awkward fall-out from relationships that go awry can justify termination of someone's employment. Two competing legal principles come into play here. Under the European Convention on Human Rights, Article 8, people can argue for the right respect for their private life. If an employee complains of unfair dismissal, the courts have to rule and tend to be slow to sanction sacking due to a private action. But that competes with the fact that for an employment contract to function, parties must have trust and confidence in each other. If that stops, it can be a legitimate reason for bringing the relationship to an end. The more senior the employee, the greater the degree of trust and confidence that resides in them - for the elevated, that can include the very image of the company, as well as responsibility for managing others. More would be expected of John Terry than those more junior. Should he lose the England dressing room, there could be reason to say he cannot do the job. A strong warning, then, to captains of football, and of industry both.
February 2, 201015 yr And how do you know that they don't have trust and confidence in him? If they don't then fine, he shouldn't be captain, no one should. But if they have (and I think they will have) then he is by far the best man for the job. After all every England player wants to go into the World Cup with the best chance they have of winning it. Anyone with half a mind (although I'm aware this applies to little of the England squad) knows that their chances are highest when lead by John Terry.
February 2, 201015 yr Let's just compare footballers to Olympic Athletes shall we...? Footballers - guilty of absolute shocking behaviour, Athletes - impeccable sportspersons in competition, and real role-models off the track... No competition as to who really deserves the country's respect in my view..... What, including the ones who've been banned for using drugs? :unsure:
February 2, 201015 yr And how do you know that they don't have trust and confidence in him? If they don't then fine, he shouldn't be captain, no one should. But if they have (and I think they will have) then he is by far the best man for the job. After all every England player wants to go into the World Cup with the best chance they have of winning it. Anyone with half a mind (although I'm aware this applies to little of the England squad) knows that their chances are highest when lead by John Terry. I would say, seeing that Wayne Bridge's ex has just gone and hired PR maestro Max Clifford (whose clients include Chelsea & England internationals Frank Lampard and of course Cheryl Cole's other half Ashley Cole) that things are not looking too great for John Terry. Max Clifford: Vanessa Perroncel offered £250,000 to detail John Terry affair Press Association Tuesday, 2 February 2010 The French model at the centre of claims surrounding England captain John Terry's alleged affair has been offered £250,000 to tell her side of the story, her publicist Max Clifford confirmed today. Underwear model Vanessa Perroncel, the ex-partner of Terry's England and former Chelsea team-mate Wayne Bridge, is at the heart of a media bidding war. Mr Clifford said he was in discussions with at least six media outlets all bidding for her take on the events. A final decision on whether she will sell her story is yet to be made, but Mr Clifford said the bidding offers could rise beyond the £250,000 mark. He said: "The £250,000 offer is just the latest bid. I am in negotiations on her behalf." Ms Perroncel was at Mr Clifford's home today, where she was being updated on the latest media offers. The publicist told Sky News: "It's a story that everyone's talking about and it's a story that obviously all the papers and the television networks are very, very keen to get to the bottom of and find out what the truth is." Mr Clifford refused to be drawn on the veracity of the allegations but insisted some press claims were incorrect. He said Ms Perroncel had first to consider the welfare of her four-year-old son before she made a decision. He told GMTV: "Obviously, she's just overwhelmed by what has happened. "She has never spoken to a single journalist and she's all over all the papers with all kinds of allegations, some of which she said were true and some of which she said aren't true. "She basically said 'What do I do? Journalists are knocking down my door, I've got people running round taking photos everywhere I go. I never sought this, I never asked for this, and I've never spoken to anybody'." Asked whether there was any truth behind the alleged affair, he replied: "All I'm prepared to say is that she's known John a long time and obviously I think during that time they've become very close friends but anything more than that, I wouldn't want to say at this particular stage. "It's really for her to decide what she wants to do." England boss Fabio Capello was believed to be weighing up Terry's future as captain today. It is understood Capello will have the final say on whether Terry can continue to lead the national team and he is expected to give his verdict well in advance of England's next match. The FA has so far refused to comment but Sports Minister Gerry Sutcliffe said he would ask the governing body to explain its position on Terry, who failed with a High Court injunction to stop newspapers reporting claims about the alleged affair. Mr Sutcliffe said if the allegations were proven, they called into question Terry's role as England captain. He said: "On the field John Terry is a fantastic player and a good England captain, but to be the captain of England you have got to have wider responsibilities for the country, and clearly if these allegations are proven - and at the moment they are only allegations - then it does call into question his role as England captain. "I speak to the FA on a regular basis, so I will be asking what their viewpoint is and we will see what comes of it." Bridge, 29, who has separated from Ms Perroncel and now plays for Manchester City, said he did not intend to comment on the reports for the sake of the couple's son. The allegations came to light after a gagging order was lifted by Mr Justice Tugendhat at the High Court in London on Friday. Terry, 29, who was voted Dad of the Year last year in a Daddies Sauce survey, has two children with his wife, who has now fled the family home and reportedly flown to Dubai with the youngsters. Terry, who has refused to comment on the allegations that he cheated on wife Toni, had been expected to lead the team to this summer's World Cup in South Africa. Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti confirmed that Terry would remain captain of the club but refused to discuss whether he should remain skipper of the national team. On Monday Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini said some of his players wore shirts bearing the words Team Bridge in support of team-mate Bridge during Sunday's Premier League win over Portsmouth. Indeed with media reports tonight of a bust up with Ashley Cole which may account for why the England left-back was surprisingly only on the bench, and a very lacklustre Chelsea performance against bottom three side Hull City (1-1) tonight, maybe John Terry is already losing the Chelski dressing room which could cost them the Premier League title, let alone the England one .....
February 3, 201015 yr So, you dont think there's a principle involved here....? of course, but as its only footy related i dont care. as it happens i agree with most here, if it doesnt impact on his ability to do the job then so what? ok hes a hypocrit.. but imho it aint worth thinking about.
February 3, 201015 yr Excuse me, Steven Gerrard was correctly found NOT GUILTY of any offence. The jury accepted his plea of Not Guilty due to self defence. And even if he was found guilty it had nothing to do with football matters (other than the moronic DJ a Manchester United season ticket holder booked at the last minute in a regular Liverpool FC drinking hole decided to play "Glory Glory Man United" when Steven Gerrard asked him to play Phil Collins' "Easy Lover" (cue gags about having a criminal record) and all chaos ensued (in the legal profession at the time many people's view that the DJ should have been charged with incitement, and as Roy Keane remarked "The DJ got off lightly. ....... A Liverpool DJ/fan would have been lucky to escape with his life if he did the same thing in a Manchester United pub")) in relation to lettting down the trusts of his team mates. Where as John Terry: Was involved in a 2002 incident at a West London nightclub with Chelsea team mate Jody Morris and Wimbledon's Des Byrne. He was charged with assault and affray, but later cleared. During the affair, he was given a temporary ban from the England national side by the FA. Previously, along with Chelsea team-mates Frank Lampard, Jody Morris, Eiður Guðjohnsen and former team-mate Frank Sinclair, in September 2001 Terry was fined two weeks wages by Chelsea after drunkenly harassing grieving American tourists in the immediate aftermath of the September 11 attacks. Yes, lets all applaud a fabulous role model who makes David Beckham seem like John The Baptist in comparison. :rolleyes: I can't believe some of the nutjobs in this thread i just can't. Talk about a lack of morality. Especially as they are not living in the real world as this excellent BBC magazine piece shows: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8492488.stm Well then let's just abolish the entire England football team and replace them with angels that have halo's ontop of their heads. To me hearing about a footballer having an affair isn't shocking news. We all know that most footballers are love rats anyway. Why should anyone care about the wags feelings. Surely when the wags marry the footballers they should know what they are letting themselves in for. JT wife is pictured in Dubai getting over her "heart break". What a joke! I just don't want JT to be dropped from the team other wise England are screwed when the world cup approaches.
February 3, 201015 yr Author What, including the ones who've been banned for using drugs? :unsure: Name me one British athlete who won a medal in Beijing that's been banned for using drugs... And, you've said it yourself, they get caught out doing summat they shouldn't, there's definite, no-nonsense CONSEQUENCES for their actions, no mealy-mouthed p*ssy-footing around like the FA....
February 3, 201015 yr Author Well then let's just abolish the entire England football team and replace them with angels that have halo's ontop of their heads. No, that's not it at all Kate... The whole principle is, you dont represent yourself in the media and profit from that representation, when it's a lie.... In fact, best not to say anything to the Media, at all in my view.... Or if you do, keep it to answering questions about the sport and your performance, or to raise awareness for charities, etc.... Terry took money from Hello and he took an award from a newspaper to cultivate a false image.... Footballers should stick to what they know - playing football, and not playing the media.... As I said, live by the sword, die by it....
February 3, 201015 yr Name me one British athlete who won a medal in Beijing that's been banned for using drugs... And, you've said it yourself, they get caught out doing summat they shouldn't, there's definite, no-nonsense CONSEQUENCES for their actions, no mealy-mouthed p*ssy-footing around like the FA.... totally agree with you regarding athletes... real sportspeople who slog it out 24/7 365 to focus on an event that lasts minutes. thats devotion.
February 3, 201015 yr Name me one British athlete who won a medal in Beijing that's been banned for using drugs... And, you've said it yourself, they get caught out doing summat they shouldn't, there's definite, no-nonsense CONSEQUENCES for their actions, no mealy-mouthed p*ssy-footing around like the FA.... I don't think you restricted it to Beijing did you? Even if you did, Christine Ohuruogu was banned for missing three drugs tests.
February 4, 201015 yr I don't think you restricted it to Beijing did you? Even if you did, Christine Ohuruogu was banned for missing three drugs tests. even if she was guilty .... thats only 1 athlete out of our squad with several hundered athletes in.
February 4, 201015 yr Author I don't think you restricted it to Beijing did you? Even if you did, Christine Ohuruogu was banned for missing three drugs tests. ...I think the word "consequences" again is appropriate here.... :rolleyes: Even when there's the slightest doubt regarding an athlete's conduct, they get hammered... Pity the same doesn't work for footballers, when they get caught out doing far worse to bring their sport into disrepute. WHICH WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING by the way..... :P
February 4, 201015 yr Terry linked to second footballer's wife Thursday, February 4 2010, 17:49 GMT Digitalspy.co.uk By Catriona Wightman, Entertainment Reporter John Terry has been linked to another footballer's wife. The Chelsea star was recently rocked by allegations that he had an affair with Vanessa Perroncel, the partner of his former teammate Wayne Bridge. The Mirror now claims that he also had a relationship with the wife of another Premier League player. The unnamed woman, who has three children, is said to have been married for several years but has allegedly not admitted the affair to her husband. "John has done this before and it now seems inevitable it will all come out," a source said. "There is a free and easy culture around some parts of the game when it comes to sex. He was part of that gang." Terry's wife Toni Poole, who travelled to Dubai to escape the scandal, recently said that she still loves the footballer.
February 4, 201015 yr Terry linked to second footballer's wife Thursday, February 4 2010, 17:49 GMT Digitalspy.co.uk By Catriona Wightman, Entertainment Reporter John Terry has been linked to another footballer's wife. The Chelsea star was recently rocked by allegations that he had an affair with Vanessa Perroncel, the partner of his former teammate Wayne Bridge. The Mirror now claims that he also had a relationship with the wife of another Premier League player. The unnamed woman, who has three children, is said to have been married for several years but has allegedly not admitted the affair to her husband. "John has done this before and it now seems inevitable it will all come out," a source said. "There is a free and easy culture around some parts of the game when it comes to sex. He was part of that gang." Terry's wife Toni Poole, who travelled to Dubai to escape the scandal, recently said that she still loves the footballer. Hilario allegedly :o One of his Chelsea team mates
February 4, 201015 yr It was also in a tabloid today that Eidur Gudjohnsen celebrated his return to England with a good seeing to of Wayne Bridge's ex...
February 4, 201015 yr even if she was guilty .... thats only 1 athlete out of our squad with several hundered athletes in. The original assertion was that none of them had been banned for drug offences. That wasn't the case. If you go back to previous Olympics, how about Linford Christie?
February 4, 201015 yr Can't compare football with athletics really Most footballers are chavs who would be in jail or dealing drugs if they were not kicking a ball about, football is very much a working class / ghetto sport Athletes such as rowers or runners or whatever tend to be from rich families and graduates etc who's families were wealthy enough to pay for their training, its a totally different culture to football A chav suddenly being given £100k a week is a recipe for disaster as has been seen with so many footballers being c**ts in their spare time
February 5, 201015 yr The original assertion was that none of them had been banned for drug offences. That wasn't the case. If you go back to previous Olympics, how about Linford Christie? scott made the original assertion, however, factually drugs cheats in uk athletics are rocking horse $h!te m8... less then 0.5% .
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