I don't see the appeal in that "I Wish" song. It's just a cheap copy of "The Loving Kind" but with pathetic lyrics and raped vocals.

 

What on earth is pathetic about the lyrics? They're certainly no worse than those of The Loving Kind.

 

Sugababes - whats the hate with Jade joining? People stuck by them through the awful "Catfights and Spotlights" era, why not now?

 

Because they always said that there'd be no more line-ups after 3.0 because it would be ridiculous. And because the music during C&S was great and actually sounded like Sugababes, not some faceless Americanized bunch.

I'm with Jark. I don't think C+S was up to their usually high standard, but it's certainly a lot more "Sugababes" than this dreadful Americanised $h!t they're dribbling out now. They lost all credibility for me when they started blathering on about getting sexy right now. Siobhan and Mutya would never have allowed it.

Oh I think Mutya would. This is the woman who paid thousands for dodgy arse implants last year. There's just a perception that she's above classless music because she got out before their output became inconsistent and then released a very MOR solo album. The girl never had as much say in their music as people think so I'm sure Get Sexy would've happened under her.

 

(Just realised how that last sentence reads. Ewww.)

I'm with Jark. I don't think C+S was up to their usually high standard, but it's certainly a lot more "Sugababes" than this dreadful Americanised $h!t they're dribbling out now. They lost all credibility for me when they started blathering on about getting sexy right now. Siobhan and Mutya would never have allowed it.

 

Have you heard She's A Mess ? yeah its not a single (yet) but its the best song of 2010 so far for me and #2 on my playlist with 108 plays, Sugababes are as good as ever and I can't wait for Sweet 7 to go on sale

 

The best chance for a decent girl group ended in X Factor when Kandy Rain were voted out, they had decent voices bar Coco and they had the sex appeal and raunchiness to make it in the industry but because of Cheryl slagging them off they were kicked out in the first round, Addicted To Love was fukkin good

Are you taking the piss? She's A Mess is absolutely dreadful and it could be sung by anybody at all. I'd go so far as to say it's the worst thing Sugababes have recorded. Easily.

 

And Kandy Rain sucked. Seriously... are you on something? I want some!

Very interesting discussion.

 

The most potentially successful of 4 more-or-less new groups (Sats, MV, GCC, DR) are Mini Viva. Dolly Rockers will struggle to release anything new, they are over, at least commercially, at least for now.

 

As for Mini Viva among the other three, they have what Sats and GCC don't: personality, they are memorable. Yes, the voices aren't really 'classical' but distinctive and people remember them for their voices, for their looks, for their personalities. They're a bit 'indie' if you wish and people kinda like it. And if they somehow get another Top10 hit, they may do well not just in the nearest future. They will never be as strong as Sugas and GA though.

 

The Saturdays had fairly great first era, but their problem (and so is GCC's) is that a: their modern material isn't that good, and b: they don't have enough personality to have some longevity. If 'Here Standing' doesn't do anything for the album like 'Ego' they might be over. But the probability of their third album is pretty high still I think.

 

And don't forget that dance duo Booty Luv are going to become a trio. :heehee: 'Say It' was a strong track but was released too late from its premier and was released on the same week with the same-sounding 'Get Sexy'.

 

To fine up the observation of girl groups I'll speak about Sugas and GA too.

 

Sugababes 4.0 are dark horses. The most important thing for them now is not to have a 'Wordshaker' chart-wise. And I fear that sweet 7 might get Top10-5-3 placing but then drop like a stone and barely go back. The things could go either way though. Also we don't now how they are treated by Roc Nation and about their US plans: if they do well there (like Jay Sean did better in US than in UK) they will defo get their second/eighth album.

 

And Girls Aloud... I'd say that the success of 'Out of Control' was half due to Cheryl and her X-Factor. To be said, they are already long-living girl-group, they have that longevity. But now Cheryl has success not only in UK/Ireland but also in other countries when GA did ~nothing internationally after 'The Show'. And she might not want to get back into the group, and I don't see Girls Aloud without Cheryl even she is the least favourite member of GA for me.

 

In conclusion I would say that we will listen to another at least one Sugababes and Girls Aloud albums (hopefully as both groups have proved to be classy), we might hear the second Mini Viva album and the third Saturdays album. Booty Luv are complete dark horses, besides they are more dance group than classical girl pop group.

Oh I think Mutya would. This is the woman who paid thousands for dodgy arse implants last year. There's just a perception that she's above classless music because she got out before their output became inconsistent and then released a very MOR solo album. The girl never had as much say in their music as people think so I'm sure Get Sexy would've happened under her.

 

(Just realised how that last sentence reads. Ewww.)

 

This is true. Perhaps I should have said the management would never have allowed it with Mutya still onboard. Lovely girl, but not really sexy.

Plus, whilst Mini Viva are currently "bombing" in the UK, they've started to appeal to a European audience as I've noticed 'LMHIT' started to chart in a couple of other countries like Finland, Cyprus. So there's still a glimmer of hope for Mini Viva yet.

But to be fair you'd only need to sell 12 copies to make it into the Cypriot top 10 surely?

LOL at The Saturdays not having any personality.

To be honest, I don't think a band with 2 albums and 7 singles can be classed as "new" anymore.

Just to live up to my ~loon status~ they are having a third album, plus The Saturdays are not only a girl group, they are a brand.

In the past year alone they have recorded the Comic Relief single, endorsed Samsung phones, Tampax pearl & Impulse to name a few.

They're also releasing a book & quite possibly doing a tour again this year.

One of the things everyone on here seems to miss, because you're all guys (& this ties in with Tampax), is that The Saturdays are pretty well liked by GIRLS.

They're forever in fashion & gossip magazines.. Now you may say that's not "classy" or whatever, but it's what young women read & it's getting their names and faces out there.

It's a bit arrogant to think after nearly 2 years, people wouldn't know of a difference in line-up, because they would.

The fact that well known company's are dishing money into this girl band is a sure sign they are above the rest of the groups mentioned in this thread.

You have to be pretty cemented to get endorsements of this kind. Before anyone starts... Girls Aloud (Kit Kat Senses/ Sunsilk) - Sugababes (Deichmann/Windows 7).

I think the Sugababes will last a bit longer, this era, apart from the wonderful Keisha leaving, has been far more sucsessful than the C+S era. From C+S, they only managed two singles, one number #3 and one number #23. This era, they already have 3 singles BEFORE the album release and it looks at the moment as if all three will be top 10 singles. I think S7 should chart top 10, as its certainly got a lot of publicity ( even if not for the right reasons ). I think they just need to get settled as a new group and hopefully Sugababes 4.0 will improve, give them a chance, they can't be written off just yet.

Your argument is reasonably well thought out Scherz but you're missing a few key points. They're getting those endorsement deals off the back of their name which is big because their debut album era was big. But those deals don't make any money for the label, just the Saturdays and their management, so if their album doesn't sell (which it isn't) the label won't think 'we can't drop them, they've got endorsement deals!'.

 

Also they may be in gossip rags but so is every other z-lister out there. That's not making anybody any money. They need to sell records. And they're not as it stands.

Indeed. V V Brown is a good case in point, she was all OVER the magazines last year, but what has she actually achieved in her musical career?

 

Or Rachek Stevens a few years ago - again in the mags all the time, quite a well-known name, on TV quite a bit - but that didn't save her from being dropped when she didn't sell.

Your argument is reasonably well thought out Scherz but you're missing a few key points. They're getting those endorsement deals off the back of their name which is big because their debut album era was big. But those deals don't make any money for the label, just the Saturdays and their management, so if their album doesn't sell (which it isn't) the label won't think 'we can't drop them, they've got endorsement deals!'.

 

Also they may be in gossip rags but so is every other z-lister out there. That's not making anybody any money. They need to sell records. And they're not as it stands.

 

Indeed. It does, however, show that they are popular. And despite lacking popularity, Sophie Ellis Bextor is still signed with them. So as far as that goes, I think they're pretty safe.

Also I didn't mean them being in magazines was making them money, I used it as an example of how they connect (if you like) with their female audience.

For example, they're in "Steal their style" all the time. Not necessarily making them money, but keeping their profile up.

And that was because someone had said that either of the 5 girls could be replaced and nobody would notice, which is a false statement to make.

But 'steal their style' refers to their clothes so it's fair enough to say that the girls themselves are interchangable, and asides for Vanessa and Una providing the only really identifiable vocals I think they are interchangable. It seems like you're a bit of a loon (don't take offence) so I don't expect you to agree, but the Saturdays aren't especially popular.

Plus, whilst Mini Viva are currently "bombing" in the UK, they've started to appeal to a European audience as I've noticed 'LMHIT' started to chart in a couple of other countries like Finland, Cyprus. So there's still a glimmer of hope for Mini Viva yet.

 

I think it's a great song, novelty and singalong, perfect one hit wonder fare which is basically what they were probably always destined to be, unless they've got another really catchy, accessible party pop song up their sleeves and can get Radio 1 on their side again, which is highly unlikely

 

I Wish on the other hand didn't appeal to me overmuch, and this is coming from somebody who places The Loving Kind (which it was constantly compared to) in their top three Girls Aloud singles. It was nice enough but I had no desire to ever listen to it, it lacked the warmth of The Loving Kind and felt a bit made to order

I *think* The Saturdays are safe for another album at least. Ego was of course expected to sell more albums than it actually did, and with hope Here Standing and the possible 4th single will be able to get it up to relativelt decent numbers. They havent publically flopped either if you get my drift, the media are still claiming them to be the next big girlband on the block, in which case it hasnt clicked yet that the albums barely scrapping 50k.

 

They're also signed to Fascination. Other acts signed to them are Girls Aloud, Girls Cant Catch, Sophie Ellis Bextor and the various Disney people. Other than Girls Aloud, whos making Fascination any money? GA wont be lasting for much longer really so they might aswell hold on to a relatively popular/well known girlband than trying to big up another one only for them to flop (Hello there GCC).

I *think* The Saturdays are safe for another album at least. Ego was of course expected to sell more albums than it actually did, and with hope Here Standing and the possible 4th single will be able to get it up to relativelt decent numbers. They havent publically flopped either if you get my drift, the media are still claiming them to be the next big girlband on the block, in which case it hasnt clicked yet that the albums barely scrapping 50k.

 

They're also signed to Fascination. Other acts signed to them are Girls Aloud, Girls Cant Catch, Sophie Ellis Bextor and the various Disney people. Other than Girls Aloud, whos making Fascination any money? GA wont be lasting for much longer really so they might aswell hold on to a relatively popular/well known girlband than trying to big up another one only for them to flop (Hello there GCC).

 

I agree with this - somebody commented that they are still on the front of gossip rags, this is true but I also still see them on the front cover of the more respected glossy magazines like Company and Glamour. If they were being publically perceived as flopstars (which they aren't - other than on Buzzjack, I've heard no other media discussing that the band's fall from grace, the bile's directed solely at Sugababes at the moment :lol:) these magazines definitely wouldn't still want to feature them, they're still relevant.

I dont think the Sugababes will last much longer. Cant see their new single doing very well or the album for that matter, think they will quit when the album underperforms again.

I'd say the Sugababes are the most unpredictable artists of the 21st century so far, their career is full of ups and downs, they were rumoured to split because of different reasons (incl. underperforming) in enormous quantities of times and they are still alive, although with the 4th line-up. They could really go either way.