This wasn't about the money. He inherited nothing from this man, and had expressed a wish to be euthanised should it have gotten to that point...

This wasn't about the money. He inherited nothing from this man, and had expressed a wish to be euthanised should it have gotten to that point...

 

Where is the proof he had expressed this wish though ?

 

In this case I believe but I stand by my point that before anything like this should be allowed that people should sign a legal document when they are healthy and of sound mind saying that they want this to happen, a "living will" type of thing or we would have elderly people being killed off for money and those that doing it saying "well Mavis told me over a cup of tea that if she is suffering that she wants to die", I don't think it is unreasonable for there to be written proof from the person that wants to die stating the case that they want to die if they became seriously ill

I am against it in principle, no one has the right to play god plus we only have the word of this presenter that ths is what the deceased wanted, how do we know this wasn't for money or the guy took it upon himself to end this guys life as he couldn't watch him suffer ? its not up to him to play god

 

At times you are so unbelievable it is not true.

 

Your comments in this thread quite frankly disgust me, especially after your comments made about Haiti.

 

All I can do is echo Scott's earlier points made on this subject.

Oh what absolute and utter CRAP!!! No one is even suggesting that... Did you not actually LISTEN to what Terry Pratchett was saying about Tribunals, etc???? Clearly NOT.... I suggest you actually go back and LISTEN to the man and educate yourself on the issue.... -_-

 

The facts are we wouldn't even let a family PET suffer this indignity, and yet we allow our apparent "loved ones" to suffer it purely out of some ridiculous, self-righteous sense of "morality"... Well, that's just utter BS!!! I dont wanna "live" like that.... I would rather someone give me an OD of morphine, smother me, shoot me... ANYTHING, but to "live" like that in some sh!tty nursing home, not even remembering my name or be able to function, and pishing into a bag because I've lost all control over my bladder.... Fukk that sh!t, that's not life..... I'm 38, of "sound mind", and I'm saying it right now in front of witnesses.....

 

As Bill Hicks once said... "Do you want your sweet, grey haired old granny to die surrounded by strangers... Or do you want her to meet Chuck Norris"...? :rolleyes:

 

I vote "Chuck"....

 

But again this tribunal is playing god, you are anti death penalty on the grounds that the state has no right to take people's lives but here you are doing it, is there a huge difference between a judge sentencing a criminal to death and a tribunal having the right to kill off someone ?

 

If anyone wants to have the right to die it should be THEIR decision recorded on legal papers when they are of sound mind, not relatives or tribunals, THEIR decision, that THEY have made

 

Did you read up on Mo Mowlam ? when she was alive and of sound mind and in reasonable health she signed legal papers that stated if she reached a certain stage of health that no food or water or medicines are to be given so when a few years later she fell and knocked herself unconscious she was not revived and was allowed to die, THAT is what everyone should be doing

 

I don't even know what we are arguing about really, all I am saying is the person themselves when they are well and of sound mind should do what Mowlam did

No hypocricy whatsoever Scott

 

By and large we are talking about the elderly in the catergories you listed, the very same elderly that fought against the nazis to preserve the very freedoms of speech you and me have today, the elderly made sacrifices to save this country from the nazis so if NHS money has to be spent on them so be it, you will also see in the Haiti thread that I was calling for the heating bills of the elderly be paid in the winter by the government instead of foreign aid so there is not any hypocricy from me, these people deserve money being spent on them, taxpayers money to provide healthcare and heating bills for war heroes or taxpayers money spent on the likes of Crazy Chris, its no contest

Oh, right. So by the time I get to that age you will have changed your mind as I didn't fight the Nazis on the entirely reasonable grounds that I hadn't been born.

Oh, right. So by the time I get to that age you will have changed your mind as I didn't fight the Nazis on the entirely reasonable grounds that I hadn't been born.

 

I won't change my mind regardless

 

My stand is very clear, if anyone wants the right to die then they should make a living will while they are in sound mind and put it down in a legal document then if the day comes then their wishes are respected like happened with Mo Mowlam then there is no need for tribunals, no questions about families bumping off elderly relatives etc

 

 

But again this tribunal is playing god, you are anti death penalty on the grounds that the state has no right to take people's lives but here you are doing it, is there a huge difference between a judge sentencing a criminal to death and a tribunal having the right to kill off someone ?

 

No, a Tribunal would look at all cases and base judgements on MERIT.. They would have the savvy to be able to differentiate between a family doing it out of love and a family doing it out of mere greed... And, un-officially in the past, they HAVE done and made rulings in matters without needing a Parliamentary act, there is case law in this area if you actually care to look it up.... :rolleyes:

 

It's not in the least bit the same as the Death Penalty....

I personally am for euthanasia... but only if the decision is made by the person themself. Alot of the arguments against euthanasia are religious arguments.. :lol: I've been told stories by sister (who is a nurse) about people with cancer who have suffered through painful treatments, to rid the cancer, but passing away in the end anyway. Is this what God does? Testing their faith by making them endure pain only to inevitabley snuff it? Bollocks. If someone wants to end their own life (and I don't mean by suicide, I mean by if someone has an incurable illness and their life-time has been limited/cut short), then they do have the right to do so.