Name me one British Indie band of any note that hasn't been influenced either directly or indirectly by The Velvet Underground Rich.....

 

Joy Division, The Cure, The Smiths, Echo and the Bunnymen, Jesus and Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine, Primal Scream... Every single one of 'em has cited VU as an influence.... It's blatantly obvious when you listen to the music.... And most of today's Indie acts (particularly those of the darker hue) are being influenced by those bands, ergo, it's going back to VU eventually anyway....

 

"Quintessentially British"?? Nah, not a bit of it...

 

At the end of the day, it REALLY all goes back to The Blues if you wanna be seriously thorough.... One of Kurt's biggest musical influences (probably the single biggest actually) - Leadbelly.....

 

so?.... our strength has always been that we took american influences and made them our own, from the early 60's through to punk, non of which had much/any resonance with 'us' until 'we' anglacised it and made it our own. swo in that respect weller is right, 'our' bands should be singing about 'our' problems/lifestyle and not try to be american.

 

however i do see the hypocrisy with weller refering to grunge as 'catch up punk' when he made a name for himself with 'catch up 60's' .... <_<

so?.... our strength has always been that we took american influences and made them our own, from the early 60's through to punk, non of which had much/any resonance with 'us' until 'we' anglacised it and made it our own. swo in that respect weller is right, 'our' bands should be singing about 'our' problems/lifestyle and not try to be american.

 

however i do see the hypocrisy with weller refering to grunge as 'catch up punk' when he made a name for himself with 'catch up 60's' .... <_<

 

You've nailed it on both points.

 

Sorry I'm British so I think it is only natural that I'm influenced by what I can most easily relate to which is why Ian Curtis & Joy Division absolutely p*** from a great hype over Kurt Cobain & Nirvana. In the same way I feel about The Kinks v Beach Boys; David Bowie v Alice Cooper; The Smiths v REM, etc.

 

I should add if I was a teenager in 1991 coming from (say) Denver, Colorado then I would think it was only natural if I thought the polar opposite view and preferred the US acts because that is what I should be connecting to and able to relate with. As I would think it was just as wrong for a US act to sing from an Anglophile point of view as UK acts trying to be American.

 

Don't get me wrong Nirvana came along at the right place at the right time (with Kurt Cobain being the equivalent of Elvis Presley except this grunge version did die when he went into the Army!), but I stand by my belief that had Kurt not died when he did they would not be one quarter they are the influence today, which let's be honest they ripped off from The Pixies & Sonic Youth in the first place.

Nirvana are possibly THE most overrated band of all-time. They released ONE, yes, just ONE great album, In Utero..... and a clutch of catchy rawk singles but, in all honesty, unless you were American or lived in some of the smaller Euro countries, Nirvana really meant fukk all to anyone else. And rightly so, too. For a band as musically generic and impotent as Nirvana to have spawned so many copycat bands and a supposed 'genre' in 'grunge' just goes to show not that the music was of any weight, importance or validity but that the musical climate it was born into was so bloody awful.

 

Nirvana were average average average... and anyone who falls at their feet really is looking through rose-tinted spectacles... or wasn't even born when this supposed 'classic' band were actually having (minor and few) hit singles.

 

You know what? Give me Hole anyday - at least Courtney Love has a personality.... and something to say other than 'poor me poor me'... yeah, pour me a fukkin drink, Cobain. zzzzzzz

 

As for Weller - he's about as valid as a five bob note, isn't he? And it just goes to show how drug-frazzled and hopelessly out of touch those poor hacks at the NME are to even think about giving him ANY kind of award, let alone this ridiculous 'genius' one. The man hasn't made a single record of any note since 'Wild Wood' - and even that was stodge. Then again, I think The Jam were colossally overrated, too. Apart from 'That's Entertainment', I found them banal, one dimensional lad-rockers in bad suits. There were far, far more interesting bands around at that time. And will someone PLEASE ask Weller to get that bloody hair cut... an old man with long lank hair - grey hair at that - and that long hangdog face of his...... the bloke looks like an Afghan hound.... get a grip, Weller. Just because Noel Gallagher is sucking at your toes every five minutes doesn't impress me much.

 

you're quite clearly wrong and have missed a lot about Nirvana, they are in no way an average band, they came and done something original at the time, and more importantly they have an everlasting influence, take it from me, as a 17 year old, I was only 2 years and 1 week old when Kurt died, Nirvana are one of the key bands through my growing up,

 

Every teenager between the age 11-15 who has an alternative thought, a alternative taste in music will be a Nirvana fan, despite the fact Kurt died 16 years ago they are still the one band the teenagers get and understand, teenagers relate to Nirvana's music, and it's not gonna stop anytime soon, teenagers for generations will still listen to Nirvana, no other band has the influence and thoughts that teenagers will relate to as much as Nirvana do not even, The Beatles, The Jam, The Velvet Underground, The Cure, Joy Division, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, no one reaches teenagers like Nirvana do,

 

I may of only just been born when Nirvana was having these "few minor hits" but that doesnt stop me, and the thousands of teenager in this country, aswell as probaly millions in America who all listen to Nirvana, who all RELATE to Nirvana, i'm sorry Russ that you obviously have no contact with teenagers, but Nirvana will always be that band, the voice of every teenage generation, you wont even be able to counter this point I made, because I know for truth as I have been through this phase, so quite obviously Nirvana are not average, it has nothing to do with not being born when they were about, their music has a lasting legacy, and you cant deny that, you obviously havent a clue due to that bolded statement, it has nothing to do with being their at the time, it's to do with the music, a music that teenagers now, teenagers then, and future teenagers will all relate to.

 

Nirvana are the most valid and important band during teenage years.

 

Weller is full of sh"t, simple as... Honestly, I've never been more bored in all my life than when I was listening to Paul Wellar's solo material... I mean, he's slagging off Nirvana and the Americans for "catching up to Punk" too late of whatever, well, clearly, he doesn't seem to realise that Nirvana, Mudhoney, etc, never really claimed to be "punk" as such in the first place, and he seems to have totally missed the mark that Americans have ALWAYS had Punk Rock bands - Dead Kennedys, Fugazi, Bad Brains, Black Flag, Minor Threat, and we can go back further to include the likes of Iggy and the Stooges and MC5 (I do believe that even the Sex Pistols regularly covered Iggy's "No Fun", so let's not kid ourselves here).....

 

And Russ, your vendetta against Nirvana is frankly ridiculous, you clearly never saw them live, I did, they were one of the most exciting bands I've ever seen in my life, I'll never forget that night in a small venue in Glasgow in 1991, or indeed Reading '92... They were a breath of FRESH AIR in the early 90s, god knows we needed something to rid us of the wretched likes of Duf Leotard, Poison, Extreme and Motley fukkin' Crue, and yes, old has-beens like Wellar who themselves were just regurgitating Mod over a decade after the fact (pot calling kettle black Mr Wellar)..... Nirvana, Mudhoney, Tad, Babes In Toyland, Hole, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, etc, almost certainly provided that.... What did Wellar give us in the 90s - Dad Rock...... Cheers mate.... -_-

 

Fukk you Wellar, you're full of it, The Jam (although a good band) were hardly "original" themselves, I'll have The Buzzcocks any day frankly...

 

you were at Reading 92? as if you sharing a spliff with Kurt wasnt enough, you were at such a classic gig, Nirvanas "best momment", you make me jealous on so many levels.

 

and your right, Nirvana really did pave the way for a new alternative culture after dreadful mainstream scenes of the 80's, so many bands wouldnt be about these days without Nirvana, f*** I first piced up a guitar because of Nirvana, I doubt my music taste now would be anywhere near what it is like if it wasnt for Nirvana. Russ quite clearly is uneducated on the legacy and importance of Nirvana to our modern music scenes, Nirvana are one of the most important bands ever, i'd put them near The Beatles, they are certainly a lot more important than The Jam.

 

 

 

and I am a fan of The Jam, as much as Weller is a tosspot, but Nirvana vs The Jam? no competition when it comes to how important they are, how much legacy they have, how much their music speaks to us, Nirvana win easily, whether their music is better or not.

Every teenager between the age 11-15 who has an alternative thought, a alternative taste in music will be a Nirvana fan, despite the fact Kurt died 16 years ago they are still the one band the teenagers get and understand, teenagers relate to Nirvana's music, and it's not gonna stop anytime soon, teenagers for generations will still listen to Nirvana, no other band has the influence and thoughts that teenagers will relate to as much as Nirvana do not even, The Beatles, The Jam, The Velvet Underground, The Cure, Joy Division, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, no one reaches teenagers like Nirvana do,

i'm sorry Russ that you obviously have no contact with teenagers, but Nirvana will always be that band, the voice of every teenage generation, you wont even be able to counter this point I made, because I know for truth as I have been through this phase, so quite obviously Nirvana are not average, it has nothing to do with not being born when they were about, their music has a lasting legacy, and you cant deny that, you obviously havent a clue due to that bolded statement, it has nothing to do with being their at the time, it's to do with the music, a music that teenagers now, teenagers then, and future teenagers will all relate to.

 

Nirvana are the most valid and important band during teenage years.

Russ quite clearly is uneducated on the legacy and importance of Nirvana to our modern music scenes, Nirvana are one of the most important bands ever, i'd put them near The Beatles, they are certainly a lot more important than The Jam.

and I am a fan of The Jam, as much as Weller is a tosspot, but Nirvana vs The Jam? no competition when it comes to how important they are, how much legacy they have, how much their music speaks to us, Nirvana win easily, whether their music is better or not.

 

oh dear...where do I start?

 

I won't even enter into answering the utter stupidity of Scott's postings (he seems to only decide to post inane, unreadable, borderline insulting ramblings these days.... a real shame, once such a readable poster here) - Scott, like the poster I've quoted above, is a Nine Inch Nails fan - says it all really. And Scott - nope, never saw Nirvana live - I was doing far more interesting things in 1991, thankyou very much. 1991 was the tail end of acid house and the birth of the recording arm of the Wild Bunch, Massive Attack for one thing.... yes, far more interesting things going on than rock bands in 1991 :rolleyes:

 

OK..... selfdestruct....err. no contact with teenagers...umm...I work with teenagers - day after day after day. Thankfully these same teenagers are not as apparently sheep-like as you make yourself appear. The teenagers I work with all have varying musical tastes - the alternative ones..... I don't think Nirvana or any of the other charty rock bands would feature particularly high on their playlists to be perfectly honest. You really have missed the point if you would even name Nirvana as alternative, anyway - they were mainstream - very - and alternative to what? Minus the hype they sound pretty damn generic to me.

 

Nirvana are about as valid and important to British music as Liberace is - only the most musically shallow would ever cite them as even a minor influence - and Scott, just for the record - The Smiths never ever cited Velvet Underground as an influence - for someone to say Nirvana have more influence over teenagers now than The Beatles or The Smiths is just hilariously misguided - and completely completely completely wide of the mark.

 

In America, maybe, where music has always been slow to catch on and pretty stagnant, yes, Nirvana are important..... but the UK was producing bands with more intelligence and depth than Nirvana throughout the 70s, 80s AND 90s. But only someone as young as selfdestruct would fail to miss this..... to not have actually been around when Nirvana hit the big time... when, in reality, the 'big' album of the time was REM's 'Out of Time' and certainly not 'Nevermind' - to try to make out they had some cultural influence in Britain is simply not true. They didn't - at all. OK, rock fans, maybe... but 'rock' was already a dead sub-genre at that point.... OK, so they killed off the big hair brigade.... but, in reality, that was all over by the late 80s anyway. They appealed to rock fans - had a couple of minor hit singles, one big album...and err... that was that. Hardly the makings of a legend, is it?

 

To make out Nirvana have some important lasting legacy is laughable - their music, from the shallow, badly written 6th-former-angsty lyrics (pretty toe curling stuff if you care to read them... kinda funny, actually.... but, of course, achingly, ahem, 'relevant' is you're a poorly read adolescent), to the generic production to the humdrum image... to state they are of ANY relevance in the UK beyond a few catchy singles.... is just wrong and pretty laughable.

 

If you want shoegazing bands with great lyrics and something to say and who reach out to touch an audience...come on, leave the Joe Public mainstream and be a little more creative, no? Nirvana were a below par, mediocre chart rock band with a suicidal and rather dull lead singer who wrote frankly TERRIBLE lyrics. Then he topped himself and...oh Jesus... well.... yes, oh Jesus literally - here we have the, ahem, 'Second Coming' - oh how iconic. Nothing more nothing less.

 

And for anyone, any age, to say they were anything more than a very average American rock band elevated to cult status simply because they have a dead singer displays a pretty shallow understanding of the true culture, relevance and art of music.

I never could get over the fact that The Pixies formed, worked and separated without America taking them to its heart or even recognizing their existence for the most part. Yet Nirvana came along later and conquered with similar but inferior material.

 

Maybe, I just assumed American teenagers were more intelligent than what they actually were.

 

(David Bowie, Mojo magazine 1999)

Without The Pixies and Sonic Youth, Nirvana would have never existed. Sorry but The Pixies are the most influential US band since the Velvet Underground because of their economic melodic "quiet-loud-quiet-loud" songs.

 

Pixies - Where Is My Mind (1988)

 

Placebo - Where Is My Mind (2004)

 

 

In the 1960s everybody who bought a Velvet Underground album went on to either form a band or write about music.

 

The only act I can think of since then who has had a similar influence is probably The Pixies. Without them the whole Generation X/Grunge movement would surely never have happened.

 

(Brian Eno, Uncut magazine 2003)

 

:smoke:

Some facts

 

Nirvana were not original

The Pixies were alot more original - more than most

Nirvana infiltrated the mainstream alot more than the Pixies, especially in the UK

Nirvana are arguably more accessible and are often a route to more original music like The Pixies and Sonic Youth

 

oh dear...where do I start?

 

I won't even enter into answering the utter stupidity of Scott's postings (he seems to only decide to post inane, unreadable, borderline insulting ramblings these days.... a real shame, once such a readable poster here) - Scott, like the poster I've quoted above, is a Nine Inch Nails fan - says it all really. And Scott - nope, never saw Nirvana live - I was doing far more interesting things in 1991, thankyou very much. 1991 was the tail end of acid house and the birth of the recording arm of the Wild Bunch, Massive Attack for one thing.... yes, far more interesting things going on than rock bands in 1991 :rolleyes:

 

OK..... selfdestruct....err. no contact with teenagers...umm...I work with teenagers - day after day after day. Thankfully these same teenagers are not as apparently sheep-like as you make yourself appear. The teenagers I work with all have varying musical tastes - the alternative ones..... I don't think Nirvana or any of the other charty rock bands would feature particularly high on their playlists to be perfectly honest. You really have missed the point if you would even name Nirvana as alternative, anyway - they were mainstream - very - and alternative to what? Minus the hype they sound pretty damn generic to me.

 

Nirvana are about as valid and important to British music as Liberace is - only the most musically shallow would ever cite them as even a minor influence - and Scott, just for the record - The Smiths never ever cited Velvet Underground as an influence - for someone to say Nirvana have more influence over teenagers now than The Beatles or The Smiths is just hilariously misguided - and completely completely completely wide of the mark.

 

In America, maybe, where music has always been slow to catch on and pretty stagnant, yes, Nirvana are important..... but the UK was producing bands with more intelligence and depth than Nirvana throughout the 70s, 80s AND 90s. But only someone as young as selfdestruct would fail to miss this..... to not have actually been around when Nirvana hit the big time... when, in reality, the 'big' album of the time was REM's 'Out of Time' and certainly not 'Nevermind' - to try to make out they had some cultural influence in Britain is simply not true. They didn't - at all. OK, rock fans, maybe... but 'rock' was already a dead sub-genre at that point.... OK, so they killed off the big hair brigade.... but, in reality, that was all over by the late 80s anyway. They appealed to rock fans - had a couple of minor hit singles, one big album...and err... that was that. Hardly the makings of a legend, is it?

 

To make out Nirvana have some important lasting legacy is laughable - their music, from the shallow, badly written 6th-former-angsty lyrics (pretty toe curling stuff if you care to read them... kinda funny, actually.... but, of course, achingly, ahem, 'relevant' is you're a poorly read adolescent), to the generic production to the humdrum image... to state they are of ANY relevance in the UK beyond a few catchy singles.... is just wrong and pretty laughable.

 

If you want shoegazing bands with great lyrics and something to say and who reach out to touch an audience...come on, leave the Joe Public mainstream and be a little more creative, no? Nirvana were a below par, mediocre chart rock band with a suicidal and rather dull lead singer who wrote frankly TERRIBLE lyrics. Then he topped himself and...oh Jesus... well.... yes, oh Jesus literally - here we have the, ahem, 'Second Coming' - oh how iconic. Nothing more nothing less.

 

And for anyone, any age, to say they were anything more than a very average American rock band elevated to cult status simply because they have a dead singer displays a pretty shallow understanding of the true culture, relevance and art of music.

 

i have to say that im 100% behind russ here...

 

chris, i reckon you have an over-inflated view of nirvana, i know of NO teenager who is a 'fan', most i know either like a track or two or nothing at all. please remember that your predecessor in rock was john... along with my other now adult offspring, other family members, my g/f, local kids, kids in the schools i work in... no one cites nirvana as 'the voice of youth'.

 

ok, YOU might to be able to use nirvana to speak to you, but dont credit everyone else with that because the kids/adults i know like british or american rock , dance, britpop/indie and retro... groups like the kinks, smiths, pistols, blur, iron maiden etc ... BRITISH acts are the ones they cite as influencial, meaningful, and speak to them.

 

and thats why weller is right.

THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT - Paul Weller

 

A police car and a screaming siren -

A pnuematic drill and ripped up concrete -

A baby waiting and stray dog howling -

The screech of brakes and lamplights blinking -

that's entertainment.

 

A smash of glass and the rumble of boots -

An electric train and a ripped up 'phone booth -

Paint splattered walls and the cry of a tomcat -

Lights going out and a kick in the balls -

 

that's entertainment.

 

Days of speed and slow time Mondays -

p***ing down with rain on a boring Wednesday -

Watching the news and not eating your tea -

A freezing cold flat and damp on the walls -

 

that's entertainment.

 

Waking up at 6 a.m. on a cool warm morning -

Opening the windows and breathing in petrol -

An amateur band rehearsing in a nearby yard -

Watching the tele and thinking about your holidays -

 

that's entertainment.

Waking up from bad dreams and smoking cigarettes -

Cuddling a warm girl and smelling stale perfume -

A hot summers' day and sticky black tarmac -

Feeding ducks in the park and wishing you were faraway -

 

that's entertainment.

 

Two lovers kissing amongst the scream of midnight -

Two lovers missing the tranquility of solitude -

Getting a cab and travelling on buses -

Reading the grafitti about slashed seat affairs -

 

that's entertainment.

 

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SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT - Lyrics by Kurt Cobain

 

Load up on guns,

Bring your friends

It's fun to lose and to pretend

She's overboard self assured

Oh no I know, a dirty word.

 

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello.

 

With the lights out, it's less dangerous

Here we are now, entertain us

i feel stupid and contagious

Here we are now, entertain us

A mulato!

An Albino!

A mosquito!

My libido!

Yay!(x3)

 

I'm worse at what I do best

And for this gift I feel blessed

Our little group has always been

And always will until the end

 

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello.

 

With the lights out, it's less dangerous

Here we are now, entertain us

I feel stupid and contagious

Here we are now, entertain us

A mullato!

An Albino!

A mosquito!

My libido!

Yay!(x3)

 

(Solo)

 

And I forget just why I taste -

Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile

I found it hard, it was hard to find

Oh well, whatever, nevermind

 

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello.

 

With the lights out, it's less dangerous

Here we are now, entertain us

I feel stupid and contagious

Here we are now, entertain us

A mullato!

An albino!

A mosquito!

My libido!

 

A denial!(x9)

 

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Well I certainly know which lyrics speak to me more, and it sure ain't some over rated US "rawk" track that has been played to death.

 

Lets face facts the reason Nirvana became as big as they did was because of the genius marketing of DGC record label boss David Geffen whom with over two decades experience in the music industry took a personal hands on role through his contacts and connections within the music industry to make them as big as possible. Just as he had previously made stars of the likes of Crosby Stills & Nash, The Eagles, Linda Ronstadt, Joni Mitchell, Tom Waits, Cher's late 1980s revival & just previously Guns N'Roses.

 

If Nirvana were so brilliant then why did they fail to break out big with their indie SubPop debut Bleach and their career best track (IMHO) About A Girl?

Not gonna lie, Nirvana made good music. There where/is certainly better bands out there though..

selfdestruct...I couldn't be bothered trawling through your rambling post (on a Saturday morning, too - get out and live some, eh?)... and arguing with angst-ridden teenagers over things that happened and musical 'revolutions' that occurred when they were smearing nappies is competely ridiculous, but a short little bit of advice - go buy the Pixies, My Bloody Valentine, early Lush, Felt and Mudhoney back catalogues then maybe you'll have a valid opinion on the music I witnessed first hand, maybe do a bit of research THEN come back and have an opinion.

 

Oh, and Nine Inch Nails are pitiful - once again, angsty nonsense for 6th-form teenagers who read bad poetry.

 

Thank you.

 

thisispop - quite ;)

Jark, as you've never ever visited this forum in your life.... and you probably think the Pixies are what we call fans of Miss Lott...this is one argument that you can surely find it within yourself to stay away from.... eh?

I still say Nirvana were not terrible. Neither were they amazing. I would say they were good. I prefer Pearl Jam - especially Vs, Smashing Pumpkins and The Pixies.

Jark, as you've never ever visited this forum in your life.... and you probably think the Pixies are what we call fans of Miss Lott...this is one argument that you can surely find it within yourself to stay away from.... eh?

I don't see why you feel the need to criticise Jark's music taste/supposed lack of musical knowledge in this genre just for commenting in here? He wasn't posting about the music, he was simply making a valid point about the hypocrisy of your post referring to Chris' 'ramblings'. Your post I've just quoted is exactly the sort of post Jark was talking about and I couldn't agree with him more - it isn't the sort of post which would encourage others to post in here...

.

 

The attitudes on display inside this thread probably highlight why nobody bothers with this forum. Chastising people for their personal tastes is all in a days' work here, clearly.

 

excuse me! .... nastiness for nastiness sake isnt allowed here and I will deal with any such attitude from anyone.

 

i welcome views like chris's and others supporting S/A/W because it creates debate.

 

any further comments deamed OFF TOPIC will be removed, if anybody wishes to debate attitudes then please do it via pm or somewhere else ...

 

POSTS ON THIS THREAD WILL PERTAIN TO THE SUBJECT IN HAND ONLY.

Cremey - Jark NEVER posts here - he is/was and always will be drawn by drama. Most of the fights you see on here - yep - old Jark, there he is, pursing those lips slap bang in the middle of it.

 

It's a shame both yourself AND Jark only seem to visit this area to get embroiled in a battle. And your absence, it isn't to do with any negativeity in this forum that scared you away because - apart from this thread - this is probably the most peacefull of ALL the areas on this site - so I'm a little baffled you feel the need to make probably your first post here on a thread you haven't even bothered commenting on and probably have zilch interest in anyway.

 

As for me commenting on selfdestruct's ramblings - I made a point about a post directed at myself - which was far too long and drawn out to read.... quite why you two feel the need to jump in here and start wagging fingers like old fishwives is beyond me.

 

As I said - if you have a point to make about the point in hand - make it - otherwise - do you honestly think you need to add anything?

And well said Rob - however, if there's no nastiness then... well... Jark will vanish.

 

As always.

And well said Rob - however, if there's no nastiness then... well... Jark will vanish.

 

As always.

 

i think the problem with younger members is that whilst they know they have a voice, a right to an opinion, they think its RIGHT. to them it might be, but in most cases the oldies who were there/seen it all before, usually are nearer the mark.

 

i think this is the case with chris (selfdestruct), he took the trouble to construct a decent post (even if he was abit spikey in his defense of scott), but the trouble is... it was an opinion but overall it isnt one shared by the majority of people who were there. us older buggers understandably dont like having OUR history re-written by the youth!

 

but i liked it, it was refreshing to get a youger persons perspective, and debating opposing issues is good all round.

selfdestruct...I couldn't be bothered trawling through your rambling post (on a Saturday morning, too - get out and live some, eh?)... and arguing with angst-ridden teenagers over things that happened and musical 'revolutions' that occurred when they were smearing nappies is competely ridiculous, but a short little bit of advice - go buy the Pixies, My Bloody Valentine, early Lush, Felt and Mudhoney back catalogues then maybe you'll have a valid opinion on the music I witnessed first hand, maybe do a bit of research THEN come back and have an opinion.

 

Oh, and Nine Inch Nails are pitiful - once again, angsty nonsense for 6th-form teenagers who read bad poetry.

 

Thank you.

 

thisispop - quite ;)

 

hmm 'rambling post' reminds me of half the posts you write on this forum, including one I was replying to, hmm looks like im not the only one to notice that.

 

And I have right mind to report you to management to some of your ageist comments on here, thats a second one now, I do actually find them somewhat insulting, I hope you are noting this Rob, I am actually feeling a victim of discrimination against age here.

 

You dont know me Russt, for a start you think I dont already know bands such as Pixies, MBV and Mudhoney (I havent heard Lush or Felt i'm afraid), yes you have an advantage witnessing it first hand, but thats irrelevant as your just assuming I havent heard these bands, it's a bit insulting, JUST BECAUSE I PERFER THE MUSIC OF NIRVANA, DOESNT MEAN I HAVENT HEARD THESE OTHER BANDS, Russt, IN MY OPINON Nirvana are better than The Pixies, but I know what you are going to say, you are going to say my opinon is invalid because I wasnt there, because I am too young, and quite clearly Russ that is complete bull$h!t, There is something wrong with you, You think your opinon is far more important than anyone elses, but let me tell you this, it f***ing isnt, you are not a f***ing music guru, everyones opinon are equal, you are not better than me, i am not better than you, by the sort of music you listen to I wouldnt have you down as a conservative Daily Mail reader type of person, but the facist way you act with your opinon you might aswell f***ing be one, Do you read the Daily Mail russ, because you come across that way.

 

 

 

 

SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT - Lyrics by Kurt Cobain

 

Load up on guns,

Bring your friends

It's fun to lose and to pretend

She's overboard self assured

Oh no I know, a dirty word.

 

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello.

 

With the lights out, it's less dangerous

Here we are now, entertain us

i feel stupid and contagious

Here we are now, entertain us

A mulato!

An Albino!

A mosquito!

My libido!

Yay!(x3)

 

I'm worse at what I do best

And for this gift I feel blessed

Our little group has always been

And always will until the end

 

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello.

 

With the lights out, it's less dangerous

Here we are now, entertain us

I feel stupid and contagious

Here we are now, entertain us

A mullato!

An Albino!

A mosquito!

My libido!

Yay!(x3)

 

(Solo)

 

And I forget just why I taste -

Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile

I found it hard, it was hard to find

Oh well, whatever, nevermind

 

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello, how low?

Hello, hello, hello.

 

With the lights out, it's less dangerous

Here we are now, entertain us

I feel stupid and contagious

Here we are now, entertain us

A mullato!

An albino!

A mosquito!

My libido!

 

A denial!(x9)

 

Well whatever may be the case ... one cannot deny the $h!tness of those lyrics!

 

Norma

 

WARNING.... I WILL SAY THIS ONCE

 

I WILL ISSUE A WARNING FOR ANYONE USING PERSONAL INSULTS OR TRYING TO INFLAME AN ARGUMENT

 

the topic is weller vs nirvana.