He's absolutely right. They are/were rubbish. I bought Nevermind and returned it. Pile of garbage. :rolleyes:

Edited March 2, 201015 yr by Victor Meldrew

He's absolutely right. They are/were rubbish. I bought Nevermind and returned it. Pile of garbage. :rolleyes:

 

Yeah, but you said the same thing about Radiohead's "The Bends" as well... So, you've got no clue about music.... :P

not sure what youre getting at....

 

yes of course brits have drug/mental probs, so? not all of us do! are you suggesting that only druggies 'get' nirvana?

 

nah...just another excuse to knock british/english ... weller might be a twat, but theres nowt wrong with the general gist of what he supposed to have said. british acts should have more resonance with british public then american.. not exclusive, just more. in fact, im struggling to think of any american track by anyone who has had much resonance with me on a personal level...

 

What a crock you spout sometimes... ATM, I'm probably listening to more British music than anything, and I'm going out and supporting new British bands just about every other week in venues in Camden and North London where I live, quite a few friends of mine are in bands and I support them too, what the heck are you doing to support up-and-coming young British bands then, eh mate? When was the last time you went out to a local gig..? Sure there must be some sort of scene in Derby... Dont you dare try to criticise me or imply that I'm knocking British Music... If you ask me it's tits like Wellar who give it a bad name by spouting a lot of parochial, small-minded bollocks, even if it IS just in jest, the vast majority of American or non-British music fans aint gonna get the joke, not because they're unintelligent, but because they're not "in" on the (alleged) joke, they're being excluded from it, and it IS exclusion, exclusion of anyone non-British; he's as bad as some big-mouthed, boorish, "All-American", flag-waving cretin like Ted Nugent as far as I'm concerned...... He's merely the British equivalent...

 

I'm listening to Editors, The Horrors, White Lies, Little Boots, Goldfrapp, IAMX, Client, Ladytron, etc, but I'm ALSO listening to the likes of Interpol, the new Black Rebel Motorcycle Club stuff and Lady Ga Ga, as well as a fair bit of underground German "Neue Deutsche Harte" (New German Hardness, bands like Rammstein, Heavy Current, Diary of Dreams, L'Ame Immortelle, Agonoize, Accessory, etc) and Scandinavian Industrial/EBM such as Combichrist, Covenant, Apoptygma Berzerk and others... As far as I'm concerned, if you dont have as wide a musical palate as possible and listen to bands from all over then you're missing out...

 

Most of the Brit bands are INSPIRED by US acts as well as Brit ones... Velvet Underground, The Cramps, Pixies, Iggy and the Stooges and a thousand other US Garage Punk bands clearly resonated with Faris Rotter and Co (The Horrors), as much as Jesus and Mary Chain and MBV did... I think you, Richard and Russ are being downright parochial tbh and just not accepting the fact that British bands are being just as influenced in their musical styles by US or European acts as they are by British ones....

And by the way Rob, here's the lyrics to "Junkhead" by Alice In Chains.. I think it puts across the allure, the desire to want to experiment with drugs as good as any British band ever could articulate.... You could almost imagine Irvine Welsh or William Burroughs writing this....

 

A good night, the best in a long time

A new friend turned me on to an old favorite

Nothing better than a dealer who's high

Be high, convince them to buy

 

What's my drug of choice?

Well, what have you got?

I don't go broke

And I do it alot

 

Seems so sick to the hypocrite norm

Running their boring drills

But we are an elite race of our own

The stoners, junkies, and freaks

 

Are you happy? I am, man.

Content and fully aware

Money, status, nothing to me.

'Cause your life is empty and bare

 

What's my drug of choice?

Well, what have you got?

I don't go broke

And I do it alot

I do it alot

 

You can't understand a user's mind

But try, with your books and degrees

If you let yourself go and opened your mind

I'll bet you'd be doing like me

And it ain't so bad

 

What's my drug of choice?

Well, what have you got?

I don't go broke

And I do it alot

Say, I do it alot

 

I do it alot!

I do it alot!

Say, I do it alot!

Yeah, but you said the same thing about Radiohead's "The Bends" as well... So, you've got no clue about music.... :P

 

 

Oh I have. Both albums are crap man. Give me The Beatles, REM or Coldplay any day.

I think you, Richard and Russ are being downright parochial tbh and just not accepting the fact that British bands are being just as influenced in their musical styles by US or European acts as they are by British ones....

 

... but nobody has denied that! the general agreement is that british kids/bands are more likely to connect to what british bands are saying rather then american ones. simply because we live in the same country under the same way of life. ie the jam speaks more about the things that affected me then what nirvana did.

 

and the response was to you denying that there was no such thing as british music, earlier in the thread...

 

""Quintessentially British"?? Nah, not a bit of it... " ..... beat boom? glam? new wave? britpop? new romantics? hell even ROCK.

Anyone else sick of the constant adulation of Nirvana and the regular appearance of Nevermind in Top 10 Albums of All Time lists?

 

 

Oh, off-topic but I've almost forgotten that I've seen this thread ages ago. :lol:

 

Dunno but I like reading these sort of topics (and I don't know The Jam and Paul Weller very well). :lol:

 

Anyway, on topic, I'm not sure if I have to be annoyed about 'Nevermind' being in many Top 10 All Time lists, I've never heard the album. Just a couple of tracks.

Edited September 28, 201113 yr by FM11

Anyone else sick of the constant adulation of Nirvana and the regular appearance of Nevermind in Top 10 Albums of All Time lists?

 

I'd personally rather it was "In Utero", but I have no issues with people giving the band the credit they're due.... Like it or not, they created an epoch and were very influential...

They were the commercial-end of many better bands..... the bast*rd sons of the Pixies, JAMC, etc etc etc.... and whilst I can't deny their influence in the States, which was bogged down in hair rock at that point, they arrived in Britain when we were well and truly over rock music..... and I don't believe they were influential at all over here - then or now..... I remember the album coming out when I worked in a record chain and thinking how old fashioned and...well... naff it was. At a time when Britain was getting engulfewd in seriously interesting underground dance music, well, Nirvana were a bit of a bad Yankee joke.

 

In Utero, I agree, is a lot better.... but Nevermind? Nah - a pretty average US rawk album propelled to ludicrous degrees of supposed 'classic status' by disaffected spotty kids who knew no better.

 

In this month's Q, Elbow are speaking about their bafflement at its popularity too.

 

This is one of the few times I've agreed with them or Weller.

They were the commercial-end of many better bands..... the bast*rd sons of the Pixies, JAMC, etc etc etc.... and whilst I can't deny their influence in the States, which was bogged down in hair rock at that point, they arrived in Britain when we were well and truly over rock music..... and I don't believe they were influential at all over here - then or now..... I remember the album coming out when I worked in a record chain and thinking how old fashioned and...well... naff it was. At a time when Britain was getting engulfewd in seriously interesting underground dance music, well, Nirvana were a bit of a bad Yankee joke.

 

In Utero, I agree, is a lot better.... but Nevermind? Nah - a pretty average US rawk album propelled to ludicrous degrees of supposed 'classic status' by disaffected spotty kids who knew no better.

 

In this month's Q, Elbow are speaking about their bafflement at its popularity too.

 

This is one of the few times I've agreed with them or Weller.

 

Q and Elbow...? Seriously...? Since when did either of those become the arbiters of good taste or cool....? :lol: :lol:

 

Q and Elbow...? Seriously...? Since when did either of those become the arbiters of good taste or cool....? :lol: :lol:

 

I'd rather listen to Elbow on constant repeat for three weeks than sit through even half of Nevermind....... Garvey has more songwriting class, talent and skill than Cobain could ever dream of. And personally I find Elbow as interesting as watching paint dry.

 

As I've mentioned here before.... give me Hole over Nirvana. Any day of the week...... (and can we ever forget...Nirvana, the ones who didn't blow their brains out on the kitchen lino... ended up as...gulp... the Foo Fighters. Vile).

I'd rather listen to Elbow on constant repeat for three weeks than sit through even half of Nevermind....... Garvey has more songwriting class, talent and skill than Cobain could ever dream of. And personally I find Elbow as interesting as watching paint dry.

 

As I've mentioned here before.... give me Hole over Nirvana. Any day of the week...... (and can we ever forget...Nirvana, the ones who didn't blow their brains out on the kitchen lino... ended up as...gulp... the Foo Fighters. Vile).

 

Well, no, actually, one of them ended up forming Foo Fighters (Dave Grohl), dunno what Kris Novocelic is doing these days....

 

As far as Hole goes. I always liked the band, but it became rather obvious that there was a certain artistic co-dependency when the relationship between Kurt and Courtney was going on, both were clearly influencing each other's song-writing in a variety of ways, probably unconsciously for the most part....

I think everyone's being a bit hard on Nirvana here. It was this kind of unwarranted adulation that led to Cobain commiting suicide in the first place. They openly ripped off the Pixies and Killing Joke for a couple of singles and just happened to be around at the right time - hair metal was dead...Guns 'n' Roses were playing gigs from their double album release to a billion people at one time (or thereabouts) and people were becoming wise to the likes of Sonic Youth and Mudhoney at long last. Then they appeared on The Word which, like it or not, was a huge tastemaker back in its day.

 

But then they weren't even really that big at the time. It was the iconography of Cobain's doomed face on posters, t-shirts and lazy, 'commemorative' music magazine covers in the years after his suicide that really made them huge.

 

Personally I think 'Bleach' is the best album they ever made but that's just me. Either way, they are not 'rubbish'. I'll tell you what is rubbish: 'Heavy Soul' by Paul bleedin' Weller.

I think everyone's being a bit hard on Nirvana here. It was this kind of unwarranted adulation that led to Cobain commiting suicide in the first place. They openly ripped off the Pixies and Killing Joke for a couple of singles and just happened to be around at the right time - hair metal was dead...Guns 'n' Roses were playing gigs from their double album release to a billion people at one time (or thereabouts) and people were becoming wise to the likes of Sonic Youth and Mudhoney at long last. Then they appeared on The Word which, like it or not, was a huge tastemaker back in its day.

 

But then they weren't even really that big at the time. It was the iconography of Cobain's doomed face on posters, t-shirts and lazy, 'commemorative' music magazine covers in the years after his suicide that really made them huge.

 

Personally I think 'Bleach' is the best album they ever made but that's just me. Either way, they are not 'rubbish'. I'll tell you what is rubbish: 'Heavy Soul' by Paul bleedin' Weller.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Spot on.... Paul Wellar..... The Godfather of Dad-Rock.... Wooo, I mean, I'll try to contain my excitement........ :lol: Nirvana hit the right note at the right time without even really meaning to, and they ended up just getting caught up in events.... I think Kurt would've been happier playing to venues of about 500 people than some bleedin' "Enormo-dome"......

I am probably going to get more annoyed by the fact that Nevermind has been purchased in such high quantities this week.

I am probably going to get more annoyed by the fact that Nevermind has been purchased in such high quantities this week.

 

The new remastered CD is only £5 in our Asda. They say it suffers from unnecessary "loudness" though.