It’s obvious that the candidate gave the three chavs short shrift after spotting them engaging in criminal activities.

So, we shouldn't have killed the Nazis during WW2 cos then we're not better than they are Rob..... :lol:

 

Sorry for being facetious, but I just dont buy your argument tbh... Sometimes you gotta forget the "turn the other cheek" stuff and get your hands dirty... THIS is one of these occasions, if the authorities did what they were supposed to do with regards to the BNP, it wouldn't be necessary....

 

now youre being daft...

 

nope you dont, the minute you stoop to their level you are no better. you become the very type of person you are supposed to be against.

 

 

HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIZE OF THAT WOMAN'S ASS AT THE END OF THE VIDEO? :o

 

On a more serious note; Rob, how can you defend the BNP? Personally, I couldn't care less if they are a legal party. The guy in the video (clearly it shows he started with racial abuse) may just be one guy within their party, but he is a still a representative of the BNP. They're sick, and racist. This video just proves that.

 

like i said, i didnt hear exactly what was said so ill not pass judgement. as i see it either party could be guilty of provocation. i dont know what he said to get spat at, but the notion that its ok to spit at him simply because hes a bnp member is wrong. im NOT saying that he didnt 'ask for it', he might have, i dont KNOW though what was said.

 

i wonder who the camera person was.... could be a set up.

 

 

He is a BNP man who was giving abuse to people due to their race, and I very much doubt it was the first time he has done such a thing, he deserves more than spit in the face, especially how he reacted.

 

show you evidence of the party being openly violent? as a parlimentary candidate Bob Bailey is a representative of the BNP he looks rather openly violent in that video, many members and officals have also been criminally convicted in relation to violence and i'm willing to put money on them being race related attacks, Nick Griffin himself has also advocated the "traditional British methods of the brick, the boot and the fist."

 

I'm sorry you seem to be DELUDED enough to deny that the BNP are a violent party, what does it have to be in their manifesto until they are offically violent in general, im sorry video evidence and a history of newspaper articles about BNP officals and members being violent isnt good enough for you Rob, im sorry but they are f***ing violent and you are the f***ing moron if you are to deny this.

They are a party based on hate, they are racist, homophobic and violence, and there is a lot of evidence to back all of that up, they mjay be a "legal, legitimate" party but jsut because they are that doesnt mean they should be defended to have the right to exist, i especially like your use of "as much as any other party" so you think Conservative, Labour, Green, Lib Dem have the right to exist at the same level of a hate party like the BNP. no one hates them "just because" people hate them because they are racist, homphobic and violent. If hate is wrong then why are you defending a hate party?

 

YES! ...... thats exactly where it has to be, in their manifesto or constitution... to be OFFICIALLY a party that supports violence. im not saying that unofficially many of the members dont support violence, im sure they do. however LEGALLY they dont support violence, LEGALLY they are a legitimate political party so you cannot legally 'hate' them just because they are the bnp... legally you have no right to support violence against them, YOU would be the one in the wrong. legally yes they DO have the right to exist alongside the other legitimate parties whether you like it or not.

 

factually thats how it is, i fully accept that many here dont like it, but as long as THE LAW accepts them as a legitimate, legal party then thats how it is. im not defending a party built on hate, im defending the right of a legally recognised party to exist.

YES! ...... thats exactly where it has to be, in their manifesto or constitution... to be OFFICIALLY a party that supports violence. im not saying that unofficially many of the members dont support violence, im sure they do. however LEGALLY they dont support violence, LEGALLY they are a legitimate political party so you cannot legally 'hate' them just because they are the bnp... legally you have no right to support violence against them, YOU would be the one in the wrong. legally yes they DO have the right to exist alongside the other legitimate parties whether you like it or not.

 

factually thats how it is, i fully accept that many here dont like it, but as long as THE LAW accepts them as a legitimate, legal party then thats how it is. im not defending a party built on hate, im defending the right of a legally recognised party to exist.

 

So i'm in the wrong here for hating a party who's parlimentary candidates make racist attacks, just because the BNP dont say "were violent" in their manifesto or constitution? it also doesnt say they are anti-violent btw, so what evidence do you have that they arent a violent party?

 

As a anti-racist, anti-homophobic and someone who completely disagrees with the BNP to the extent that I do, and after seeing their links with violence and open race hate I have every right to hate them, and you have no right to tell me I have no right to hate them just because they are a "legitimate" party.

Self defence from the look of that video, he saw them trying to vandalise or break into a car and then they came and confronted him and he was trying to reason with them and they invaded his personal space and then the one on the left went to attack him so he was defending himself

 

The BNP are vile but that didn't look like a racist attack to me it looked like self defence

Self defence from the look of that video, he saw them trying to vandalise or break into a car and then they came and confronted him and he was trying to reason with them and they invaded his personal space and then the one on the left went to attack him so he was defending himself

 

The BNP are vile but that didn't look like a racist attack to me it looked like self defence

He said "how many of yous are robbers?" at the start and the video shows no evidence of them trying to vandalise or break into a car. Plus I don't see spitting at someone hurts them as much as punching and kicking them.

 

He accused them of being robbers because they were asian i.e. racist

So i'm in the wrong here for hating a party who's parlimentary candidates make racist attacks, just because the BNP dont say "were violent" in their manifesto or constitution? it also doesnt say they are anti-violent btw, so what evidence do you have that they arent a violent party?

 

As a anti-racist, anti-homophobic and someone who completely disagrees with the BNP to the extent that I do, and after seeing their links with violence and open race hate I have every right to hate them, and you have no right to tell me I have no right to hate them just because they are a "legitimate" party.

 

yep ..... thats about the size of it.

 

im not saying thats right but LEGALLY thats how it is.

The BNP may be (just) about smart enough to hide it but they are a party perniciously based on race hate. Race hate IS a criminal offence under the hate crimes ruling.

 

 

The BNP candidate was clearly goading them at the start of the clip (although I'll concede we don't see the build up to that and there could have been shouted abuse) However vile spitting in someone's face is chasing them then punching them and kicking them whilst down is NOT reasonable force or self defence as defined by the law.

 

As for party policy? From their leader's response make your own mind up...

 

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Hmm that video seems like the BNP openly advocating violence to me Rob, what do you say? is it "offical" when it comes from the leader's mouth? ot is that still not good enough for you.

Hmm that video seems like the BNP openly advocating violence to me Rob, what do you say? is it "offical" when it comes from the leader's mouth? ot is that still not good enough for you.

 

ill listen to the vid later, dont want to wake my g/f.

 

ok let me put it this way, if the bnp officially condones violence then they would be banned under uk law. severin is spot on, they know just how far to go to keep within the law.

 

im not arguing my viewpoint on them, im telling you where legally the situation stands.

He said "how many of yous are robbers?" at the start and the video shows no evidence of them trying to vandalise or break into a car. Plus I don't see spitting at someone hurts them as much as punching and kicking them.

 

He accused them of being robbers because they were asian i.e. racist

 

I agree ... if someone said to me 'You've got a Liverpool accent ... are you a burglar?' ... I'd be a bit vexed. I'd rather the young lads had kicked him in the nether regions though instead of spitting. I detest spitting.

 

The BNP guy was definitely goading. The BNP itself is not worth wasting good typing on though so I'll st ....

 

Norma

Wow... they're both at fault. The Asian guys should've really ignored them but because they reacted it makes them both as bad as each other. The spitting was just ew, but for the guy to retaliate like that is just awful.

Yes spitting is fairly vile, but tbh if I was being racially targeted by a facist scumbag then I think I'd be most likely to have an overwhelming urge to spit at them.

Hmm that video seems like the BNP openly advocating violence to me Rob, what do you say? is it "offical" when it comes from the leader's mouth? ot is that still not good enough for you.

 

right.... now ive heard it, its no more advocating violence then many of the main parties do... especially some tories, who advocate the right to defend your self and property if someone enters it illegally. he didnt say its party policy to use violence, he said and many agree that its ok to use self defence. he mentioned john prescott thumping in retaliation that person a few years ago.... did that make the labour party supporters of violence?

 

the problem is, many dont listen to what is actually being said when the bnp is concerned, they, you, just are blinkered in your hatred for them (and im not saying its without just cause) and interpret things the way you want to do.

 

the facts are that the laws of this country are in place, if the bnp break those laws they will be banned, until they do they are a legitimate political party, if you or anyone thinks they have broken the law then please go ahead and report them. i have no liking for the bnp, millions dont, but if they were REALLY breaking the law and preaching hate and advocating violence, they would be banned. are you or anyone telling me they know better then everyone else? including the police? yes they have members who are thugs, racists, yobs, but so does just about every football team, does that make the team violent? not ALL bnp members are violent thugs, some might be racist, but lets face it, youll NEVER stop people hating others for no real reason.

 

if the bnp bothers any of you that much, then instead of coming on here arguing the toss about it why not just join/start a campaigne to get them banned? do something constructive with your time instead of moaning on here.

right.... now ive heard it, its no more advocating violence then many of the main parties do... especially some tories, who advocate the right to defend your self and property if someone enters it illegally. he didnt say its party policy to use violence, he said and many agree that its ok to use self defence. he mentioned john prescott thumping in retaliation that person a few years ago.... did that make the labour party supporters of violence?

 

the problem is, many dont listen to what is actually being said when the bnp is concerned, they, you, just are blinkered in your hatred for them (and im not saying its without just cause) and interpret things the way you want to do.

 

the facts are that the laws of this country are in place, if the bnp break those laws they will be banned, until they do they are a legitimate political party, if you or anyone thinks they have broken the law then please go ahead and report them. i have no liking for the bnp, millions dont, but if they were REALLY breaking the law and preaching hate and advocating violence, they would be banned. are you or anyone telling me they know better then everyone else? including the police? yes they have members who are thugs, racists, yobs, but so does just about every football team, does that make the team violent? not ALL bnp members are violent thugs, some might be racist, but lets face it, youll NEVER stop people hating others for no real reason.

 

if the bnp bothers any of you that much, then instead of coming on here arguing the toss about it why not just join/start a campaigne to get them banned? do something constructive with your time instead of moaning on here.

 

Oh Rob, why dont you just watch this and then tell me that the BNP aren't as big a threat to democracy and freedom as some bunch of lunatic Jihadis....?

 

 

This is the proof for me of WHY they should be banned for the greater good...

Oh Rob, why dont you just watch this and then tell me that the BNP aren't as big a threat to democracy and freedom as some bunch of lunatic Jihadis....?

 

 

This is the proof for me of WHY they should be banned for the greater good...

 

im not saying they shouldnt be banned, im saying that that decision is held by the law courts not us. stop whinging about them on here and actively campaigne where itll do some good.

 

for now they ARE a legitimate, legal party.

im not saying they shouldnt be banned, im saying that that decision is held by the law courts not us. stop whinging about them on here and actively campaigne where itll do some good.

 

HA! As if the fukkin' courts will do anything, the Anti Nazi League have gone down this avenue.... The "Justice" system in this country seems run by a bunch of fukkin' upper middle class ancient WHITE MEN for the most part.... <_< The scum BNP are protected because Griffin's father is Edgar Griffin, a fukkin' member of the TORY echelon who was responsible for running Ian Duncan Smith's leadership campaign... He got caught out abusing his position by actively campaigning on his son's behalf.... It is fukkin' EXTREME hypocrisy to ban or silence groups such as Islam4UK and Sinn Fein and allow the likes of the BNP to continue unmolested....

 

It seems to me that it's down to who you know or who you're connected to that determines whether or not you can take part in the "democratic" processes in this country, it's just Abu Hamza's bad luck that he doesn't know nor is he related to the right people, then HE'D likely still be free to preach HIS brand of hatred..... -_-

right.... now ive heard it, its no more advocating violence then many of the main parties do... especially some tories, who advocate the right to defend your self and property if someone enters it illegally. he didnt say its party policy to use violence, he said and many agree that its ok to use self defence. he mentioned john prescott thumping in retaliation that person a few years ago.... did that make the labour party supporters of violence?

 

the problem is, many dont listen to what is actually being said when the bnp is concerned, they, you, just are blinkered in your hatred for them (and im not saying its without just cause) and interpret things the way you want to do.

 

the facts are that the laws of this country are in place, if the bnp break those laws they will be banned, until they do they are a legitimate political party, if you or anyone thinks they have broken the law then please go ahead and report them. i have no liking for the bnp, millions dont, but if they were REALLY breaking the law and preaching hate and advocating violence, they would be banned. are you or anyone telling me they know better then everyone else? including the police? yes they have members who are thugs, racists, yobs, but so does just about every football team, does that make the team violent? not ALL bnp members are violent thugs, some might be racist, but lets face it, youll NEVER stop people hating others for no real reason.

if the bnp bothers any of you that much, then instead of coming on here arguing the toss about it why not just join/start a campaigne to get them banned? do something constructive with your time instead of moaning on here.

 

this is ridiculous, even for you Rob, I don campaign against the BNP actually and also am a paying member of Unite Against Facism and Love Music Hate Racism, two organisations who's main point is to campaign against the BNP, so am I not allowed to argue against the BNP on an internet forum because I also compaign in real life against them? I happen to do many things constructive with my time, including doing A Levels right now, I dont know if you would like to try it but campaigning during all of your time isnt possible, So I go out campaigning against the BNP, I come home sometime dont I? and when I come home, I come online, and see discussion about the BNP on an internet forum, but obviously this is using some of my time, so despite whatever the time of the day is, instead of replying in an internet forum i'll go out and campaign some more, despite also just campaigning, as well as needing to constructivly use my time to not f*** up my A Levels, so i'm sorry that you dislike me discussing things on an internet forum as it's not constructive of my time, Rob, why dont you do something constructive with your time rather than fail to debate on an internet forum? and I might aswell tell anyone who posts in the punk/metal forum who critises a song to instead of critising it on the internet to go out and boycott the song. seriously why are you a mod of an internet forum if your telling people not to post in the forum you mod as it isnt constructive of their time. you seriously confuse me.

HA! As if the fukkin' courts will do anything, the Anti Nazi League have gone down this avenue.... The "Justice" system in this country seems run by a bunch of fukkin' upper middle class ancient WHITE MEN for the most part.... <_< The scum BNP are protected because Griffin's father is Edgar Griffin, a fukkin' member of the TORY echelon who was responsible for running Ian Duncan Smith's leadership campaign... He got caught out abusing his position by actively campaigning on his son's behalf.... It is fukkin' EXTREME hypocrisy to ban or silence groups such as Islam4UK and Sinn Fein and allow the likes of the BNP to continue unmolested....

 

It seems to me that it's down to who you know or who you're connected to that determines whether or not you can take part in the "democratic" processes in this country, it's just Abu Hamza's bad luck that he doesn't know nor is he related to the right people, then HE'D likely still be free to preach HIS brand of hatred..... -_-

 

i dont disagree with you

this is ridiculous, even for you Rob, I don campaign against the BNP actually and also am a paying member of Unite Against Facism and Love Music Hate Racism, two organisations who's main point is to campaign against the BNP, so am I not allowed to argue against the BNP on an internet forum because I also compaign in real life against them? I happen to do many things constructive with my time, including doing A Levels right now, I dont know if you would like to try it but campaigning during all of your time isnt possible, So I go out campaigning against the BNP, I come home sometime dont I? and when I come home, I come online, and see discussion about the BNP on an internet forum, but obviously this is using some of my time, so despite whatever the time of the day is, instead of replying in an internet forum i'll go out and campaign some more, despite also just campaigning, as well as needing to constructivly use my time to not f*** up my A Levels, so i'm sorry that you dislike me discussing things on an internet forum as it's not constructive of my time, Rob, why dont you do something constructive with your time rather than fail to debate on an internet forum? and I might aswell tell anyone who posts in the punk/metal forum who critises a song to instead of critising it on the internet to go out and boycott the song. seriously why are you a mod of an internet forum if your telling people not to post in the forum you mod as it isnt constructive of their time. you seriously confuse me.

 

its not so much as dont post anti bnp things as think about what you are posting beforehand. 90% of our dispute here has been semantics... ive been pointing out the LEGAL side of things whilst you and other haters are just intent on painting a version of the bnp that is short of the truth. its ok scott saying that they are getting away with it, maybe they are, but the facts are that legally they are a legitimate political party and if they officially condoned violence (excluding self defence) then surely they will be banned?

 

my point stands, authorities higher then yours or scotts will determine whether or not the bnp are within the law. until they are declared illegal then whether you, scott or i like it or not they must legally be treated like any other legitimate party. you cannot go all vigilante, acting outside the law or disgregarding the legal facts doesnt give you the authority to do so.

its not so much as dont post anti bnp things as think about what you are posting beforehand. 90% of our dispute here has been semantics... ive been pointing out the LEGAL side of things whilst you and other haters are just intent on painting a version of the bnp that is short of the truth. its ok scott saying that they are getting away with it, maybe they are, but the facts are that legally they are a legitimate political party and if they officially condoned violence (excluding self defence) then surely they will be banned?

 

my point stands, authorities higher then yours or scotts will determine whether or not the bnp are within the law. until they are declared illegal then whether you, scott or i like it or not they must legally be treated like any other legitimate party. you cannot go all vigilante, acting outside the law or disgregarding the legal facts doesnt give you the authority to do so.

 

There's no maybe about it.... It's clear to me that if you truly ARE a supporter of democracy, then you should be as vehemently opposed to the BNP as you were against Muslim orgs.. Frankly your comments about the BNP seem almost nice by comparison... And, in a lot of ways, the BNP are worse because at least you KNOW the Jihadists hate you, the BNP try and make themselves sound reasonable, which is a lot more insidious....