watch them trail in 9th and 17th now :drama:

 

That wouldn't be too bad - as long as it's Lena in 9th ;)

 

 

 

I think part of Rob's reasoning is that he doesn't see a need for a change at all.

 

And I don't buy this whole "it's too complicated too outsiders" thing, both these new options are MORE complicated!

 

Well the second chance one might be, but what's more complicated about removing two stages? Surely it would be a lot easier to understand (reserve, confirm, vote, results) :o

That wouldn't be too bad - as long as it's Lena in 9th ;)

 

Germany have a habit of doing badly with highly tipped songs (hello Corinna May - 2002/Texas Lightning - 2006 - both big favourites/universally predicted top 5) so I wouldn't be surprised if Lena completely underperforms :drama:

Well the second chance one might be, but what's more complicated about removing two stages? Surely it would be a lot easier to understand (reserve, confirm, vote, results) :o

 

This is why I hate...you all are giving the same reason why we should go with the big final...just to make it easier for the host -_- ...if we are only experimenting I think it's a bit rude if we don't listen to Rob's feeling...he's going to host after all.

 

and I've never hosted but since it's just about adding up votes then why it will be so complicated if he needs to add up votes 3 times...1+24 is 25 regardless how many times you gonna have to do that (only in final, or with semis and 2nd chance).

This is why I hate...you all are giving the same reason why we should go with the big final...just to make it easier for the host -_- ...if we are only experimenting I think it's a bit rude if we don't listen to Rob's feeling...he's going to host after all.

 

and I've never hosted but since it's just about adding up votes then why it will be so complicated if he needs to add up votes 3 times...1+24 is 25 regardless how many times you gonna have to do that (only in final, or with semis and 2nd chance).

That's the point. Adding it up potentially three times with this Second Chance thing is completely pointless. The amount of effort needed to pull off hosting is quite a lot (as I think most previous host would agree) and the Second Chance stage adds more complications not only for the host, but for new participants too.

 

One big final is the only way to go if you're going to change it, it's simple for everyone.

Although this wasn't the first time two semis was done of course, after BJSCII and my brilliant semi in BJSCV to get rid of three songs (most pointless decision I've ever made?) :lol:

That was the first time two semis were done, but semis had been done before, yes :o

I think part of Rob's reasoning is that he doesn't see a need for a change at all.

 

And I don't buy this whole "it's too complicated too outsiders" thing, both these new options are MORE complicated!

Yeah, I don't particularly understand how one big final is all that complicated :unsure:

 

If you wish we could keep it the same for this contest and enact the experiment for XXVII?

That was the first time two semis were done, but semis had been done before, yes :o

 

oh yeah I see what you mean, my mistake :P

This is why I hate...you all are giving the same reason why we should go with the big final...just to make it easier for the host -_- ...if we are only experimenting I think it's a bit rude if we don't listen to Rob's feeling...he's going to host after all.

 

and I've never hosted but since it's just about adding up votes then why it will be so complicated if he needs to add up votes 3 times...1+24 is 25 regardless how many times you gonna have to do that (only in final, or with semis and 2nd chance).

 

I wouldn't say it's complicated hosting but it's incredibly time consuming, and especially fiddly - not the counting up but the double checking of all the votes to ensure no mistakes have been made. It's hard enough doing it once with 50 sets of votes (checking all 10 points from every sending country have gone to the right receiving country), but three times over I imagine would be a nightmare - only somebody with a LOT of free time could feasibly manage it without it feeling like too much work!

 

It's just my opinion, from a former host's point of view in what I feel would be the more feasible/manageable option out of the two. Honestly though I care as much about implementing either of these ideas as I do about nothing changing at all :lol: Like you though, I won't leave the contest in protest if an option I don't like goes forward, because nearly all of the changes we've made in the past have worked out for the better in my opinion, whether I agreed with them at the time or not. I guess maybe it feels a bit too soon for another shakeup seeing as the banlist only just went in two months ago but if one is definitely going to be trialled in XXVI, then I might as well side with one option over the other even though I don't mind either of them.

I think part of Rob's reasoning is that he doesn't see a need for a change at all.

 

And I don't buy this whole "it's too complicated too outsiders" thing, both these new options are MORE complicated!

I don't get how one big final is more complicated than having two semis (even without AC)? :unsure:

It's more the fact that it's confusing me slightly, like I said, I am quite busy at the moment, and I've got stuff to focus on, so I'm struggling to get my head round either change - the second chance or the final. All the points changes, or whatever, that's what makes it complicated aswell, because my only priority isn't JUST bjsc believe it or not.

 

Tyron - "If you wish we could keep it the same for this contest and enact the experiment for XXVII?" If that's a genuine offer, I feel pushy, but it would be so much easier for me IF that's at all possible. But I've kind of wasted your time, so I feel a bit guilty towards you, Tyron. I'm causing you as much hassle, as I'm making out all this is causing me. :( :lol:

This experiment could indeed be done in XXVII, so the person who will win XXVI will be somewhat ready to either of the new variants :heehee:

I'm sorry, but Rob I think you're throwing your toys out of the pram a bit in regards to hosting this contest. It seems more of a case of you not liking how the results of the proposed change are going, more than anything else. Only a few days ago you were seemingly happy with the second chance thing, with dates arranged to include it, now you're suddenly offended by how rude and controlling we're being?! I don't buy it. You were prepared for the option that requires the most work, but not the one which cuts a stage? (the idea you don't like)

 

Perhaps you should have been more informed, but it'd be wrong to say this is one big rude plan by the mods. Everyone was quite aware of the MF idea possibly being introduced this month, the idea of one big final came from a very public discussion. If you were reading through the forum (as a potential host probably should) you'd have seen this discussion. Almost no mention of this poll was made between the mods, in fact a couple of us were unsure what was going on too. (because the idea stemmed from this topic, as opposed to our secret room where we conjur up evil plans)

 

As a three time host, with major changes/debates arising each time (first to host two semi finals; hosting after NF-gate; first to run the banlist) I think you should take on whatever change ends up winning and run with it, it's not that big a deal.

It's more the fact that it's confusing me slightly, like I said, I am quite busy at the moment, and I've got stuff to focus on, so I'm struggling to get my head round either change - the second chance or the final. All the points changes, or whatever, that's what makes it complicated aswell, because my only priority isn't JUST bjsc believe it or not.

 

Tyron - "If you wish we could keep it the same for this contest and enact the experiment for XXVII?" If that's a genuine offer, I feel pushy, but it would be so much easier for me IF that's at all possible. But I've kind of wasted your time, so I feel a bit guilty towards you, Tyron. I'm causing you as much hassle, as I'm making out all this is causing me. :( :lol:

It is a genuine offer - it's not really a waste of time at all, as it will still go ahead and whoever hosts will at least be ready for it! Go ahead with the standard layout ^_^

I'm sorry, but Rob I think you're throwing your toys out of the pram a bit in regards to hosting this contest. It seems more of a case of you not liking how the results of the proposed change are going, more than anything else. Only a few days ago you were seemingly happy with the second chance thing, with dates arranged to include it, now you're suddenly offended by how rude and controlling we're being?! I don't buy it. You were prepared for the option that requires the most work, but not the one which cuts a stage? (the idea you don't like)

 

Perhaps you should have been more informed, but it'd be wrong to say this is one big rude plan by the mods. Everyone was quite aware of the MF idea possibly being introduced this month, the idea of one big final came from a very public discussion. If you were reading through the forum (as a potential host probably should) you'd have seen this discussion. Almost no mention of this poll was made between the mods, in fact a couple of us were unsure what was going on too. (because the idea stemmed from this topic, as opposed to our secret room where we conjur up evil plans)

 

As a three time host, with major changes/debates arising each time (first to host two semi finals; hosting after NF-gate; first to run the banlist) I think you should take on whatever change ends up winning and run with it, it's not that big a deal.

It's alright, it's a lot fairer for all parties if it goes ahead for XXVII...

Wow, i can't believe Aaron indeed was lucky to be the first to host after these big changes :heehee: NF-gate :wub: :kink:

I'm sorry, but Rob I think you're throwing your toys out of the pram a bit in regards to hosting this contest. It seems more of a case of you not liking how the results of the proposed change are going, more than anything else. Only a few days ago you were seemingly happy with the second chance thing, with dates arranged to include it, now you're suddenly offended by how rude and controlling we're being?! I don't buy it. You were prepared for the option that requires the most work, but not the one which cuts a stage? (the idea you don't like)

 

Perhaps you should have been more informed, but it'd be wrong to say this is one big rude plan by the mods. Everyone was quite aware of the MF idea possibly being introduced this month, the idea of one big final came from a very public discussion. If you were reading through the forum (as a potential host probably should) you'd have seen this discussion. Almost no mention of this poll was made between the mods, in fact a couple of us were unsure what was going on too. (because the idea stemmed from this topic, as opposed to our secret room where we conjur up evil plans)

 

As a three time host, with major changes/debates arising each time (first to host two semi finals; hosting after NF-gate; first to run the banlist) I think you should take on whatever change ends up winning and run with it, it's not that big a deal.

I previously even said that this would happen - and somebody (I didn't really mind who it was) would say that this was the plan - true, I don't agree with these new rules, and stuff, but you genuinely believe I'm a liar? I didn't see anyone complaining that Rich was throwing his toys out of the pram when he declined hosting? I'm sure he wanted to, but there's reason for stepping down, other than to be petty and annoying. Seemingly happy to add the second chance, I complained about that too, if you'd like to look back, and I hastily added those to the schedule, but in the midst of forthcoming exams that I'm taking, and a drama production, whether it was the second chance or the one final idea in the making - it was giving me a headache literally, and I was focusing more on an online contest, than I was on real-life events, which are obviously more important - trying to get my head round new point systems? I wasn't particularly prepared for Second Chance either, to be perfectly honest with you, but take whatever view you wish with this - I'm sure you're not the only one who thinks I'm throwing my toys out of the pram, but heyho, it's up to you.

 

I didn't say it was all one big rude plan, I just thought it was a little bit rude that an idea of Second Chance or 1 big final was thrust upon - and there was no chance that we were going to do a regular final, it was written in the Experiment topic, that we WILL, for sure, be doing the experiment thing this contest - without any choice. Feel free to find comments where I said stuff was done behind my back, and stuff was done to be intentionally to be evil (or whatever you call it) but I've never said this, I just said it was a bit rude that this whole plan was thrust upon me all of a sudden. As I've previously said, with the events that are coming up for me, getting my head round loads of new ideas, and rules, was just too much for me. I'm not gonna keep myself hosting something, that I thought was going to be a mess because I don't understand the rules and I've got other things on my plate. I apologise for having bigger priorities than BJSC?

Edited April 11, 201015 yr by Robot

I stepped down from hosting XV (amongst many other reasons) primarily because I was incredibly busy this time last year managing a department at work single handedly, working about 50+ hours a week and felt that it would just be too much work at the time. But I don't think you should worry about it Rob, loads of winners have passed down hosting duties, April-June time in particular is always going to be busier for a lot of us here seeing as many people participating are doing exams of some sort at school/college or uni. Whether or not people like or agree with the decision, you must put your exams/work before this, rather than giving yourself unnecessary added stress.

when does the reservation thread open?

It's alright, it's a lot fairer for all parties if it goes ahead for XXVII...

Right, to clear it all up, am I or am I not hosting? :lol: If there's nothing for me to get my head around, I can sort of work around the exams (hopefully). I'm not promising it'll be perfect still, as the exams will be my priority - but I can try and do it - it's just a lot harder if there's new things I've got to try and put in place whilst being unsure of them, and not trying to get my head round subjects I don't understand either. :lol: