:lol: absolutely not!!!!

 

it would be like rubbing salt in the wounds for the posters that aren't happy about

the reunion

 

 

As I've been going off TT for a while now (over the last nine months or so) I'm not as bothered as I used to be about this, especially as I'd decided not to go to their next concerts whether Rob was with them or not. However ... Take That have ignored the wishes of the huge majority of their fans by doing this. I guess you could say that both sets of fans have been treated a bit shabbily ... I don't care how 'bessie mates' they all are ... they could have remained mates and still remained separate entities. No matter what you Rob fans say ... as this joint tour will be the first you'll have seen him for quite a few years ... the vast majority of you will still go to the concerts just in case its your last chance to see him ... thus making the competition harder for those Take That fans who will do anything to see Take That (even putting up with Rob in the process).

 

Besides ... the whole thing will be a huge let-down after the magnificent Circus Tour ... which nothing, will ever better (and this is from someone who has seen Led Zeppelin, ELO, Madonna, Erasure, Deep Purple, Squeeze, and a few other great acts).

 

Norma

 

Well I can guarantee you that the last thing I will be doing is even considering getting tickets. I can think of few things worse than seeing someone I have admired greatly as a live act due to his amazing ability to put on astonishingly brilliant concerts without having to be reduced to doing what 99% of pop acts do, which is have dozens of dancers, special effects, and endless other things to distract away from the actual performers. I despise such gigs which is why Robbie was pretty much the only 'pop' act for whom I would buy tickets in a second. If I go to see a band I go to see accomplished musicians at the peak of their talents, each an expert in their role. I don't go to see that a band who prance about doing outdated dance moves and prepared routines as if they were teens and have even elephants etc on stage. Obviously you, along with many others love that sort of thing but I hate it. It's tacky, extremly cheesy and desperate in my view, especially at that age. Not just TT but most artists who do such OTT gigs with endless costume changes. So the thought of seeing Robbie participate in all that utter cack is beyond cringworthy. He built up the reputation as a brilliant live act accross the globe becuase he was more like a front man of a great band (who rarely played an instument but did not need to due to the sheer level of excellence at performing with just a mic in his hand) and posessed all of those great qualities. His talent, his showmanship and charisma alone was enough to get 100,000+ in the palm of his hand. None of that other crap that all other pop acts are reduced to using are needed. It's all about him and him alone, which obviously would be alot more stressful however when he was at his best like he was when I saw him at Slane in 1999 it was as good as, and in many cases better than a large majority of the best love bands in the world. Just him and the band, storming through the songs with huges amounts of energy and absolutely nothing 'pop' (in the live music sence) or cheesy about it. Raw, agressive and wonderful to see. He has lost alot of those qualities (or rather is too lazy to put alot of energy in these days :lol: ) to perhaps it is best to go back with TT where he will at least appear at least nearly as enthusiastic as he once was about performing.

 

But I most certainly won't be seeing them live. TT, and that type of show, whether done by Britney, Madonna, Boyzone or Jedward - is the last show I would pay to see, and having to endure Robbie dancing around (he should never dance :lol: ), and I am sure singing backing vocals on at least some of the songs would be beyond awful. I'd actually have to BE PAID a vast amount of money to have to endure such a concert. Other fans won't feel as strongly and will go anywhere Robbie is performing but as a fan of the solo artist it is the last thing I would want to do. Pretty much everyone I have taked to this about offline, many of whom have seen Robbie live and were amazed at how great he was, find it simply bizzaire that he would want to go back with TT and pressume he needs the money. He has given the overall sence that he is desperate and has lost alot of respect and for that reason he is a fool in my view. But I am glad for all the fans of both acts - I am sure this whole thing is very exciting for them. I am just glad I have such good taste in music and have endless 'proper' bands and musicians to see live, namely Roger Waters 'Wall Live', while they have to see that cheesfest of egoes (arrogant enough? I was tryng to give Rob and Gary some competeition :P :lol: )

 

Edit - bloody computer is doing my head in - when I am typing it skips back a few sentences and continues what I was writing. :angry: Yeah Norma - I wouldnt be suprised if 'Shame' did indeed feature on both albums, or at least as a bonus track on the RW/TT album (speaking of which will it just be called 'Take That' or 'with Robbie Williams'? ). If Shame is out in Oct, I wouldnt be suprised if Rob and Gary performed it on the XF, and then the whole band will perform the lead single from the album on one of the other live shows. The hype will be sickening. :smoke:

Let the moans begin, LOL!

 

http://www.robbiewilliams.com/news-blogs/r...tm_medium=email

 

Robbie Re-Joins Take That

15 Jul 2010

After a 15-year wait and months of eager anticipation we can confirm that the rumours are indeed true: Robbie and Take That are back together and releasing an all-new album.

 

Following the reunion of all reunions in New York last September, Robbie, Gary, Howard, Jason and Mark have secretly recorded a full studio album with producer Stuart Price, which will be released later this year.

 

"I get embarrassingly excited when the five of us are in a room," said Robbie, who also duets with Gary Barlow on new solo single, Shame. "It feels like coming home."

 

Bandmate Mark Owen added, "Getting the five of us to be in a room together, although always a dream, never actually seemed like becoming a reality. Now the reality of the five of us making a record together feels like a dream. It’s been an absolute delight spending time with Rob again. But I’m still a better footballer."

 

And what does Jason Orange think about Robbie's re-joining the boys? "Flippin’ brilliant, absolutely brilliant," he said. "I’m over the moon that Robbie’s back with us, however long it lasts. I just want to enjoy our time with him. Life is beautifully strange sometimes."

 

Between them, the five-piece have have sold 80 million albums, performed to over 14.5 million people live, won 19 BRIT Awards, had 13 number one albums, 17 number one singles, eight MTV awards and five Ivor Novello awards!

 

Take That's forthcoming album, which is currently untitled, will be released in November 2010, a massive twenty years since the band first performed live together in 1990. Wow!

 

Edit - bloody computer is doing my head in - when I am typing it skips back a few sentences and continues what I was writing. :angry: Yeah Norma - I wouldnt be suprised if 'Shame' did indeed feature on both albums, or at least as a bonus track on the RW/TT album (speaking of which will it just be called 'Take That' or 'with Robbie Williams'? ). If Shame is out in Oct, I wouldnt be suprised if Rob and Gary performed it on the XF, and then the whole band will perform the lead single from the album on one of the other live shows. The hype will be sickening. :smoke:

 

Put XF aside ... you mark my words ... there'll be 'An Audience With .... ', GMTV, Wossie (or whoever does his show), they'll be absolutely everywhere.

 

I must admit though ... I do think you go overboard in your estimation of Robbie as a singer ... because ... no matter what ... he is average at best. And as much as I've gone off Tory Boy Barlow (with all his bloody charidee work) ... he is still a far, far better singer than Robbie Williams. Either way ... I wasn't going to see them next tour ... Rob or not.

 

At the end of the day though ... it IS ABOUT MONEY ... and they've proven that they're all as piggy-in-the-trough as each other.

 

Norma

Edited July 15, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

Between them, the five-piece have have sold 80 million albums, performed to over 14.5 million people live, won 19 BRIT Awards, had 13 number one albums, 17 number one singles, eight MTV awards and five Ivor Novello awards!

 

Thanks dizzleland - I am merged this with the other thread.

 

That part does sound pretty impressive alright - although had I written it I would said they had sold over 100M records (singles and albums) - sounds better :smoke: :lol:

 

They were totally off when they said Rob had sold 11m singles - he has sold nearly 20m - I recall them claiming 15m a long time ago so they never get things right. TT have sold a little over 20m albums, and around 13m singles. And why do they make out the 14.5m are all seperate people? 14.5m tickets sold. I find it amusing though that the vast majority of those album sales and tickets sold are from Robbie the solo artist yet it is being mashed to make it impressive :lol:

 

Edit - Norma I never said anything about singing - I am talking about performing. Whatever floats your boat though - I can think of few blander things in this world than Gaza's voice, well apart from his stage presence :P Either way, me, you and most of us here will have to use this opportunity to just slag them off through this year - could be very amusing and possibly even make it enjoyable :lol: The Brokeback Mountain vid alone should make for some excellent material. :lol: No merging of forums though Mikey : :nono: :P

At the end of the day though ... it IS ABOUT MONEY ... and they've proven that they're all as piggy-in-the-trough as each other.

 

I am not too sure it is - prob more about attention and ego - as tbh none of them need the money, especially Rob who is worth over £100M, and even if the album sells 3m in the UK alone (which I doubt), that is still feck all split by 5 - and any tour, unless global wouldnt make a huge amount compared to if Rob did another stadium tour around the world. He made if I recall $68m personally from the tour in 2006, which grossed over $270m (was compiled by Billboard so in $) - no matter how big a TT tour with Rob is in the UK, it would not be possible for him to personally make even half that amount logically. So I think it is more to do with the hype and attenton they will all gain from the media circus (no pun intended ^_^ )

Edit - Norma I never said anything about singing - I am talking about performing. Whatever floats your boat though - I can think of few blander things in this world than Gaza's voice, well apart from his stage presence :P Either way, me, you and most of us here will have to use this opportunity to just slag them off through this year - could be very amusing and possibly even make it enjoyable :lol: The Brokeback Mountain vid alone should make for some excellent material. :lol: No merging of forums though Mikey : :nono: :P

 

I do apologize ... and I appreciate that he is a good entertainer and has an excellent rapport with his audience. I actually concur that Barlow (when talking on stage) comes across as a game-show host - I just wish he'd sit at the piano and play/sing - as long as its not that freaking awful I'd Wait For Life :lol: .

 

You're right too that this is the only place that we (both sides) can vent our spleen (well I'm actually just mildly annoyed if I'm honest) about this truly dreadful decision that they've made. It is mildly annoying though when you hear from these Take That fans and Robbie fans who were dead set against them joining up again are now trilling on about how good it could be. Are they THAT desperate to watch them / him? I just hope the whole venture goes tits-up ... there are some excellent (and very funny) posts on DS right now about the whole thing.

 

Norma

 

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. Take That are so MOR. I WANT RUDEBOX PART 2 GOD-DAMNIT.

 

This is a very sad day for music :cry:

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. Take That are so MOR. I WANT RUDEBOX PART 2 GOD-DAMNIT.

 

This is a very sad day for music :cry:

 

I think its hilarious! Come on! Neither party truly set the music world on fire or inspired anyone did they? Robbie was more MOR than most artists and Take That were just fun. I think we're getting too serious here after all ... we're hardly talking The Beatles, The Kinks, The Move or The Wombles here are we? This is all about money ... you can never have too many handbags or too much money! Even when you're already mega-rich like Rob and Gary. I'm wondering now if they're on an even split of the money.

 

Norma

 

Edit ... can I just say ... I think this news is good on one front! I'm having some of the most entertaining posts and 'tete-a-tetes' here on the Robbie forum. Its good to know that we agree on things and have a good laugh about it. In fact ... I've got an absolutely fabulous idea for a theme to the tour ... after the brilliant Circus ... we could have ......................... 'The Pantomime' :lol:

Edited July 15, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

Some new details announced by the Mirror - possibly not true as it seems 'The Sun' is the official paper for Rob and TT now. :rolleyes: But some of the details are interesting - claiming that Robbie will open each gig, then the TT four piece will come on and do the material from the past two albums, with the finale being Rob joining them to presumably singing the old hits and the new material. :wacko: I supose, if true, that is the best way to please the most people and will attract even more people. According to the article it will be 50 dates (The SUn's front page claims 54) and will net Robbie £6M (I recall he earned that much from royalties alone in 2008 by just sitting on the couch :lol: ), although The Sun's front page claims £75m altogether (althoguh I assume that is what they predict the tour will gross. It then goes on to claim that Mark, Howard and Jason will earn £4.2m each, whereas Rob and Gary will an extra £2m each due to them being the 'main songwriters' (I can see alot of very angry Mark Owen fans and I don't blame them).

 

Surely though if it's 54 dates, and Rob will be singing his solo material for the first half hour at least (I assume if the gig will be 2hrs +) it indicates it will include Europe as well? If not then I can only assume they will be doing the dates in the O2 arena residency like MJ was meant to be - as 54 stadium dates in the UK alone is beyond ridiculous.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2010/0...15875-22416231/

 

Also I know I harp on about facts alot but this sort of reporting really pisses me off - why are 'facts' never reported? From the article.

 

"

When Take That, who have sold more than 80 million records, announced their split in 1996, a Samaritans hotline was set-up for traumatised teens.

 

During their boyband career, they had 17 number one singles, played live to more than 14.5 million people and won 19 Brit awards. They first sang live as a group 20 years ago on nightclub TV show The Hitman & Her.

 

You just couldnt make up such utter $h!te :lol:

 

 

 

Edit: The Sun have put their article online with totally different details then The Mirror. It claims they will net £15m each and to quote "And The Sun can reveal the band will reach out to a world record THREE MILLION people on their epic 54-date stadium tour next summer" - so worldwide then? And how on earth is 3m people a world record? You really have to laugh at the sheer ignorance the British tabloids display :lol: They also claim Rob has commitments with Live Nation first - I hope that means some proper gigs to plug the Greatest Hits for his fans - even if only one or two at the O2 to be broadcast on TV. Does that mean he has signed a new contract with Live Nation though? :blink:

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...ssive-tour.html

 

P.S Great sig Norma :lol:

 

 

Edit (again) - just heard on Irish TV that they are penciled in for 2 Dublin dates in Croke Park next summer. The very same venue of which Robbie has said many many times, even late last year that he would be doing the free gig in. Amazing stuff really, although I am sure Robbie is under the illusion that most of his fans love TT as well, so all will be perfectly understood. :lol:

Edited July 16, 201015 yr by De Niro

P.S Great sig Norma :lol:

 

Edit (again) - just heard on Irish TV that they are penciled in for 2 Dublin dates in Croke Park next summer. The very same venue of which Robbie has said many many times, even late last year that he would be doing the free gig in. Amazing stuff really, although I am sure Robbie is under the illusion that most of his fans love TT as well, so all will be perfectly understood. :lol:

 

I thought you'd appreciate it!

 

To be fair ... I think Take That are under the illusion that all TT fans love Robbie. Hey - there may actually end up being some fights in the crowd between rival fans.

 

Surely though, this whole thing is a farce ... it isn't a reunion at all ... its two separate acts sharing a tour together, saving on costs, and trousering more money. At the end of the day ... they'll probably only end up singing three or four songs together as a five-piece after doing two totally different sets. But it is good news for Rob fans though as they'll finally be rid of Take That ... as they'll never be able to go back to being a four-piece again. I can see Gary Barlow taking his position on X-Factor as a permanent judge, Mark going back to his solo work - because I think he's the only one who genuinely loves it - even if he isn't the greatest singer, song-writer or instrumentalist - he has more passion for music than either Gary or Rob. Jason looked like he was getting tired of the whole thing (in between the UT and BW tour he had his misgivings about the looniness of some of the fans) and Howard has an excellent DJ enterprise which he has a passion for and has been wise to keep this venture going all the time.

 

Gary said in that TV Circus program that he'd have been proud to have written any of ABBA's songs, when asked were there any songs he wished he'd written. Perhaps they should all do a cover of Money, Money, Money to end the concerts with because they are not fooling anyone .... that is what this is all about. And as Barry Norman would say '.... and why not?'

 

Norma

Edited July 16, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

A sad day for music indeed... I don't believe the reuinited TT are going to be bad, and the concerts will be fine... but still Robbie was more than ''just fine'' alone. I am still curious to see how this works out because musically we all know there is NO room for Robbie in TT.

Even worse, we will see in the near future people and magazines that have been bashing on Robbie's 'monkey' work now cheerleeding the fab5 reunion and their 'masterpiece' matterial. If Robbie is doing the clown dancing and the backup vocals to Gary's lord-like singing... SPARE US THE DETAILS :puke2:

It will be still interesting to see what this will turn out to be... to be fair I do believe that lyrically and overall the new TT will be more on Robbie's style following the current.

 

Anyway :lame:

 

Oh and on the tour: it will be no surprise if it is MASSIVE. Management have been begging Robbie to do a worldwide tour, and there is too much anticipation for it everywhere. The stadiums will be soldout because of Robbie. It may be hugely dissapointing for the fans (the majority don't care about TT) if Robbie ignores his solo material but the concerts will be already sold out... boo000oing will still be available though! The management knows that too so I guess (I can only quess) on a worldwide scale it will be Robbie and (his band) TT

Edited July 16, 201015 yr by 7heDreamer

Oh geez lets hope it doesn't last long :(

Oh and on the tour: it will be no surprise if it is MASSIVE. Management have been begging Robbie to do a worldwide tour, and there is too much anticipation for it everywhere. The stadiums will be soldout because of Robbie. It may be hugely dissapointing for the fans (the majority don't care about TT) if Robbie ignores his solo material but the concerts will be already sold out... boo000oing will still be available though! The management knows that too so I guess (I can only quess) on a worldwide scale it will be Robbie and (his band) TT

 

Excuse me but whilst I agree that if they sell out any European stadiums ... it will be down to Robbie's name ... but in the UK and Ireland at the moment - the Take That Four are much, much bigger than Robbie Williams and DO NOT need him to sell out stadiums on home soil. I do think this is a bad idea and I won't be going to any concerts but I do hate it when you Robbie fans go on that they need his name to sell out a stadium tour (UK and Ireland) ... because they don't.

 

And you know what? If you don't like it ... do what I'm doing ... just don't go to any concerts ... simples!

 

Norma

Edited July 16, 201015 yr by Norma_Snockers

I am not sure how I feel about it tbh as it is the music that will decide it for me whether the decision on his part was the right one or not...I am not a Take That fan in it's present state ( that does not mean that they are not appealing but just not to me so I want no fans getting stressed out over my comment <_< & would never listen to their stuff so I am in a really weird situation because if I do not like what they do now how can I like them even if Robbie is on board -_- ....anyway it is not the end of the world so I will wait & see what they come up with ....

I will know straight away if it's a Gary Barlow/Take That formula that they are sticking with & if so then I think it will not be my kind of thing but hard to say until I hear it....this is just my personal opinion & I am sticking to it .. ;) as I said what they produce at the end of the day will be what decides it for me :mellow:

 

 

 

In the meantime I shall follow what Robbie is doing with interest , I would hate to cut myself off completely so I will hang in there ... ;)

 

 

In case it wasn't clear, I believe (and know since they did it in the near past) TT could sell out stadiums in the UK and Ireland on their own. I was talking about a worldwide tour.

Last TT album outsold Robbie's thats a fact but music industry is rapidly changing so none of us could be sure their next album would do that too. TT are not at all bigger in the UK than Robbie if you see the story of the last decade (concerts records awards singles albums press or whatever). Currently they are same size in the UK though I would say.

There is however a wide-spread feeling (you agree on that too?) that TT and their music are getting old.. yet not big enough to be the Beatles. And although Robbie is fresh and creative I am not sure his wind will be enough for all 5's wings. If it magically works out and we see a new great TT I will take a lot back and will be happy to buy the albums and watch the concerts. Untill I see the results I am just officialy 'undecided'.

[there is still the possibility of the 5 of them milking millions in a year then the 4 go back to the quartet or just for tea and Rob goes back to his solo thing]

Take That Planning 54-Date Arena Tour

 

 

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Take That are planning a huge tour now that the original line-up is back together.

 

This week the Greatest Day hit makers announced that Robbie Williams has rejoined the group and they have already recorded a new studio album together - set for release in November.

 

Now the band are set to embark on a 54-date arena tour, which will net Take That an estimated £75 million - £15 million per member.

 

An insider close to the chart-toppers revealed to The Sun: "Robbie has some commitments with Live Nation and a couple of appearances with Gary for their new single lined up.

 

"But after that, Take That's creative tour team will be working on the biggest show they have ever put on."

 

The source continued: "Kim Gavin, who has worked with Take That on all their spectacular tours, is already briefed and ready to start coming up with amazing ideas

 

 

 

Source..OMG music

I will know straight away if it's a Gary Barlow/Take That formula that they are sticking with & if so then I think it will not be my kind of thing but hard to say until I hear it....this is just my personal opinion & I am sticking to it .. ;) as I said what they produce at the end of the day will be what decides it for me :mellow:

In the meantime I shall follow what Robbie is doing with interest , I would hate to cut myself off completely so I will hang in there ... ;)

 

Actually ... the last tour (and album) had more of a Mark influence ... and why not ... he's a good front man with a warm and engaging personality. The songs Mark sang lead on were the best on the album. The Circus tour was a magnificent achievement although I must admit I preferred, on the whole, the BW album. Having said that ... with the exception of perhaps two or three songs ... I cannot stand anything Robbie has done. Angels is one of the annoying songs I've ever heard and I hate his whiny, nasally voice (speaking and singing). On the whole then ... I can say right now ... I think the album will be ... as Alexei Sayle would say, 'cack-bloody-cack'.

 

Can I say though, in recent months, as a person ... I'm actually quite warming to Rob a little ... I think some of the things he has said have been funny. My husband got me 'Wit and Wisdom of the North' and there's a few really funny quotes in there from Rob. Whilst I've been warming to Rob ... my admiration for Gary Barlow has been rapidly sinking down the pan (although I still think he's a better singer and songwriter than Rob - but that isn't saying much). It all started for me just after the Kilimanjaro thing.

 

Norma

 

Actually ... the last tour (and album) had more of a Mark influence ... and why not ... he's a good front man with a warm and engaging personality. The songs Mark sang lead on were the best on the album. The Circus tour was a magnificent achievement although I must admit I preferred, on the whole, the BW album. Having said that ... with the exception of perhaps two or three songs ... I cannot stand anything Robbie has done. Angels is one of the annoying songs I've ever heard and I hate his whiny, nasally voice (speaking and singing). On the whole then ... I can say right now ... I think the album will be ... as Alexei Sayle would say, 'cack-bloody-cack'.

 

Can I say though, in recent months, as a person ... I'm actually quite warming to Rob a little ... I think some of the things he has said have been funny. My husband got me 'Wit and Wisdom of the North' and there's a few really funny quotes in there from Rob. Whilst I've been warming to Rob ... my admiration for Gary Barlow has been rapidly sinking down the pan (although I still think he's a better singer and songwriter than Rob - but that isn't saying much). It all started for me just after the Kilimanjaro thing.

 

Norma

 

 

I think we can agree to disagree on this one Norma...TT have no personalties for me & Mark does too much of that riverdance jack in the box hopping when performing & because I rarely listen to their material I guess it matters little but people like their stuff & that is fair enough ...you dont like Robbes stuff & i dont like TT's so i guess that makes us even ... <_<

the TT lads come accross as nice people from what I have seen of them when interviewed on tv but their material makes me go to sleep but maybe the new stuff with Robbie included will wake me up :lol:

 

I cannot understand why he didn't join Boyzone -_-

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Circus tour was a magnificent achievement although I must admit I preferred, on the whole, the BW album. Having said that ... with the exception of perhaps two or three songs ... I cannot stand anything Robbie has done. Angels is one of the annoying songs I've ever heard and I hate his whiny, nasally voice (speaking and singing).

Can I say though, in recent months, as a person ... I'm actually quite warming to Rob a little ... I think some of the things he has said have been funny. Whilst I've been warming to Rob ... my admiration for Gary Barlow has been rapidly sinking down the pan (although I still think he's a better singer and songwriter than Rob - but that isn't saying much).

 

I also believe Beautiful World was much better.

You cannot stand anything Robbie has done? (the rest I just quote and don't repeat)... I didn't know you liked him that much :lol: :banghead:

My previous post states all I have to say for the reuninon at this time.

As a TT fan it is only understandable (and respectable o'course) you prefer Gary and his way and there is nothing wrong with it, music has to do with taste art and personality. Don't expect to find too much compassion on that one since this is Rob's forum.

 

Oh and I agree on everything Cleo said

Edited July 16, 201015 yr by 7heDreamer