:arrr: This could be magic

 

 

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Back in action ... Robbie Williams with Take That boys

 

ROBBIE WILLIAMS rekindling the old TAKE THAT magic for one last album and tour will surely go down as one of the worst kept secrets in the history of music.

It was always going to happen. It was just a matter of when.

 

They say time is a great healer and 15 years has done the trick for Robbie and GARY BARLOW.

 

And thank the lord for some good news after such a bleak few weeks of murder and misery dominating the headlines.

 

This reunion is HUGE. It doesn't get any bigger.

 

The tour will break records on pre-sales, as will the album. Then there'll be the sponsorship, the TV rights, a DVD, merchandising, royalties and publishing.

 

If you thought the boys were rich now, next Christmas is going to see them served up with a whole new level of wealth.

 

The only problem I can see is Robbie's crippling stage fright and his hatred of being on the road.

 

Still at least he will have the four best friends he has ever had standing shoulder to shoulder beside him.

 

However, here's the real question on the lips of all TT fans: Is Robbie back for good?

 

The answer to that is a simple "No". The Take That story needed a final chapter and this is it - one last album, one last tour and then it will be time to call it a day.

 

Why take the gloss off one of the most romantic pop stories in British music history?

 

This is the happy ending.

 

I just hope the old cracks don't reappear when they are living in each other's pockets on tour again. ( naw !!! I think he will be kept busy by the lovely Ayda this time around ...)

 

I wonder if Josie will be going along !!! :unsure:

 

 

 

 

Source..The Sun

Edited July 16, 201014 yr by Cleo

I also believe Beautiful World was much better.

You cannot stand anything Robbie has done? (the rest I just quote and don't repeat)... I didn't know you liked him that much :lol: :banghead:

My previous post states all I have to say for the reuninon at this time.

As a TT fan it is only understandable (and respectable o'course) you prefer Gary and his way and there is nothing wrong with it, music has to do with taste art and personality. Don't expect to find too much compassion on that one since this is Rob's forum.

 

Oh and I agree on everything Cleo said

 

I think all five of them have proven themselves to be greedy bast*rds with their piggish noses in the trough! Gary just as big a pig as the rest (if I'm honest ... probably a bit more). :lol:

 

By the way ... I'm not a Take That fan anymore! I have enjoyed their concerts but I've just outgrown them now ... and if they want to regain their stupid childish youth and go back to the crappy TT of the 90's (save for a couple of songs) then that is their prerogative. Me ... I'm going to go and watch some proper bands again ... where all of them play their own instruments.

 

Norma

Edited July 16, 201014 yr by Norma_Snockers

I think all five of them have proven themselves to be greedy bast*rds with their piggish noses in the trough! Gary just as big a pig as the rest (if I'm honest ... probably a bit more). :lol:

 

By the way ... I'm not a Take That fan anymore! I have enjoyed their concerts but I've just outgrown them now ... and if they want to regain their stupid childish youth and go back to the crappy TT of the 90's (save for a couple of songs) then that is their prerogative. Me ... I'm going to go and watch some proper bands again ... where all of them play their own instruments.

 

Norma

 

 

Aw !! Norma....cmon' on...at least you have a sense of humour & do not take it all so seriously ...stick around !!!

However, here's the real question on the lips of all TT fans: Is Robbie back for good?

 

The answer to that is a simple "No". The Take That story needed a final chapter and this is it - one last album, one last tour and then it will be time to call it a day.

 

Why take the gloss off one of the most romantic pop stories in British music history?

 

This is the happy ending.

 

Source..The Sun

 

Then this is it? This sounds completely understandable to me. A golden last chapter in TT's book. (in numbers of money,glory and hype the quality remains yet to be proven).

Then Robbie back to his solo thing. I wouldn't mind that. And I guess TT fans won't mind... if TT were about to retire anyway this looks like a glorious way to me (prosperous as well).

 

Back in time I may have reacted someway else, but from the available alternatives, I happily choose this.

Edited July 16, 201014 yr by 7heDreamer

Why do I get the feeling this all for extra money? :thinking:

Excuse me but whilst I agree that if they sell out any European stadiums ... it will be down to Robbie's name ... but in the UK and Ireland at the moment - the Take That Four are much, much bigger than Robbie Williams and DO NOT need him to sell out stadiums on home soil. I do think this is a bad idea and I won't be going to any concerts but I do hate it when you Robbie fans go on that they need his name to sell out a stadium tour (UK and Ireland) ... because they don't.

 

 

 

Norma

 

I have never heard that myself but if something that is rarely even mentioned at all annoys you can you imagine how infuriating it is as a Robbie fan to have virtually every media report in papers and on TV (and even worse the general public both online and offline believing every word) all saying Robbie's career have been on the rocks for years and he needs TT etc to get money - TT fans, apart from the few who go on Robbie sites would never have to read or see anything other than gushing media reporting about TT success whilst at the same time totally ignoring Robbie's far far more successful solo career that unlike TT, Westlife, Boyzone etc is not confined to mainly two countries. The sheer level of utter ignorance in the reporting yesterday and today is astonishing - the Sky news report which is being run every 15 minutes shows a clip of Smart Gordon claiming that RKTVS only sold an apparently 'average' 1 million copies, where TT are selling millions around the world. I felt like screaming at the TV - such utter nonsence - The 1m is the UK alone and TT sell barely anything around the world, whereas Robbie is the third biggest selling artist of the centry so far worldwide (yes bigger than Madonna, U2 or Coldplay etc). The general public have no idea how massive Robbie is worldwide because it is never reported, yet TT are reported to sell millions worldwide despite ther last album barely charting in the top 20 in most countries? I just find it incredible to be honest. That is what annoys me more than even the thought of seeing Rob perform with them on stage - the spin that is being put on this and the public accepting it as truth (and why shouldnt they afterall, most couldnt care less about he whole thing so are hardly going to dispute what is being report as 'fact'). The TT fans don't have to endure any of this utter $h!te - all they have to do is join in swallowing the braindead media spin and slag off Robbie. TT have been the darlings of the media since the got back together to an extreme extent where their achievments are actually being over-estimated in many cases. So TT fans only have to dread the actual music and tour - us Rob fans have to constantly endure endless crap being spouted out by the media and general public and have to defend him - just like over those 3 years - it is very annoying and ruins being a fan - although tbh after this I am not a fan of the present Robbie, but the old one who loved being a solo artist and didnt see it as something that had to be gotten out of the way.

 

Few things annoy me more than unfair, bias and factually incorrect reporting. It's amazing how not even one serious journalist bothers to do any sort of research to really find out why TT would actually benefit from this - they are all so bloody arrogant and think the world begins and ends in the UK. There is a bloody reason why Robbie has the biggest record deal of all time - and it aint cause he could sell a few million copies of each album in the UK. And as for the selling out stadiums etc - obviously TT don't need anyone's help in the UK and Ireland - but make no mistake neither would Robbie - regardless of album sales declining I am totally positive if Robbie announced five nights in Wembley Stadium it would sell out in hours just as it did in 2005 when tickets went on sale - if I recall previous to that only MJ had sold out more than 4nights in Wembley, and no-one has done it since although obviously after it sold out the gigs had to be moved to MK instead due to Wembley not being finished in time. Robbie as a live act always sold out quicker than 99% of other massive names in the UK and Ireland - even in Ireland he sold 80,000 Croker tickets in a record 18 minutes - U2 have never even managed that - TT took hours and Westlife took 6 months (and I don't even think it was sold out in the end) and of course he holds of the records of not only the biggest gigs in UK music history (Knebworth) but also in Ireland with 140,000 tickets sold in 2 hours in Phoenix Park in 2003. I have absolutely no doubt that regardless of his albums no longer selling 2m each in the UK he would still sell out as many stadiums as he would want to - the problem has always been though, like with Coldplay and U2 etc, he does a limited amount of dates in the UK/Ireland due to the huge demand internationally - TT have no choice but to play as many shows in the UK that will sell out as they woulnt lose money elsewhere - whereas other stadium acts try to limit the amount of dates. Either way this 54 dates surely indicates it will go outside the UK/Ireland - in which case it will only sell out due to Robbie - yet the media in the UK and Ireland will continue no doubt to claim it is due to TT alone - as they would like to have people beleiving that TT are in competition with the likes of U2, The Stones and Coldplay - when truth be know most of the fans of those 3 bands would have no clue who TT even are :lol:

 

I find it amsuing though with quite alot of the reports and public hoping Robbie doesnt steal the limelight etc - you have to laugh at people trying to insult but actually complimenting his ability on stage. Even though he is not the dynamic and energetic performer he used to be, hee will steal the limelight, even if he didnt try. That is what people appear to be forgetting - there is a reason why he went on to become the single biggest selling British solo artist in the UK's history and one of the biggest stars on the planet and put on the biggest live shows ever seen - whereas the others failed as solo artists and had to get back together to see success again. Even just looking at those new studio pics and the video - it is more than obvious which one is the global superstar - stands out a bloody mile and always has, which is why he is a fool to take such an enormous step backwards.

 

So Norma do you really think TT will call it a day after this due to it coming full circle? I am not too sure myself - I mean they are still young, and as much as Gaza's ego is fit to rival Rob's, I can't see him going back to being a solo artist - can you? I just highly doubt they would break up - and if they do I can see them doing a reunion tour again in 5 years time.

 

 

One thing i am confused on, is take that are now a four peice and robbie is robbie, robbie is supposed to be returning for one album and one tour only and then take that go back to a four piece and robbie goes back to been robbie, if all that stays to plan will the album be a take that and robbie williams/ robbie and take that or will it be just called take that?

 

So Norma do you really think TT will call it a day after this due to it coming full circle? I am not too sure myself - I mean they are still young, and as much as Gaza's ego is fit to rival Rob's, I can't see him going back to being a solo artist - can you? I just highly doubt they would break up - and if they do I can see them doing a reunion tour again in 5 years time.

 

I think they'll quit as a foursome definitely. But they'll probably get together in another 10 years again ... the five of them for a touch of nostalgia (and the money may have run out :lol: )

 

I am not saying that they'll go to obscurity ... I think Gary will have a few irons in the fire in the entertainment business (he'll continue writing and producing) but as you say - I doubt he'd go solo as an artist again - he'd be a bloody idiot if he did. They've all got enough money to live on for the rest of their lives as it is so money's no problem. They just want more I suppose.

 

As far as Europe is concerned ... personally I think it'll backfire on them and they won't get the audiences they think they'll get. If they do want to profit ... they'll have to word the tour very carefully outside of these shores. Possibly Robbie featuring TT and they will very definitely have to take a back seat to him because there's no denying HE is the star in Europe.

 

Norma

I must admit I preferred, on the whole, the BW album..

 

Norma

 

I was always under the impression The Circus is meant to be better? I listened to BW when it came out and the only time I was more bored listening to such a MOR blandfest was when I was FORCED to listen is a Dido record when having dinner at a reletives house many years ago :lol: I don't know why I assumed The Circus was better though - considering the singles were nothing more than average compared to a song like Rule The World, which remains the only single I have liked since the return. That other live track with Mark singing - the one apparently about Robbie was decent enough as well - can't recall the name of it though. I much prefer Mark's sqeeky voice to Gary's though - afterall if I was to stick to singers with technically good voices such as Mariah Carey (well many years ago obviously) and Whitney (ditto) and Celine (think she can still sing like in the 90'?) I'd have died of bordom at this stage - can't stand all that over-singing at all. Obviouslly I am not placing Gaza among them on a technical basis (although he is a poweful enough vocalist, but should deffo avoid attempting falestto in the future) - but he could certainly rivil them in terms of being a good cure for insomnia :lol:

 

Don't you find it interesting though that according to reports Rob and Gary will get an extra£2m more than the other three lads due to being the main songwriters? Surely things like this will just cause problems? Although obviously it does appear to be just the Robbie and Gary show - with their Brokeback Mountrain vid etc. Interesting that Howard never made a comment about how pleased he was about Rob returing unlike the others :lol:

One thing i am confused on, is take that are now a four peice and robbie is robbie, robbie is supposed to be returning for one album and one tour only and then take that go back to a four piece and robbie goes back to been robbie, if all that stays to plan will the album be a take that and robbie williams/ robbie and take that or will it be just called take that?

 

It should definatly not just be 'Take That' if it is only for one year. Would be silly, besides they will want to make it clear that Robbie is on it to seperate it from the previosu two albums. The hype and especially outside the UK/Ireland it would be much wiser to have it Take That and Robbie Williams or visa versa.

 

So I take it 'Shame' will be barely released when the full TT lead single is released? Both top 5 at the same time perhaps - both Rob and Gaz would love that wouldnt they? :lol:

Personnely i find the circus album far better than beautiful world on the whole and i would go as far to say the circus is the best of their 5 studio albums, although the isngles may not have been as strong as the singles from beautiful world the remaining tracks on the whole are much stronger. Im glad rule the world impresses you as its by far my faveourite song since their return and its probably my faveourite take that single ever followed very closely by never forget.

Just as Gary's voice is a borefest to you ... Rob's is exactly the same to me. Although I do admire him for making himself such a huge star on such mediocre talents.

 

I didn't realise that Gary and Rob were on more money ... have I been just skim-reading? If so ... then it won't last five minutes! Naughty Gary and Rob for being such greedy little piggies!

 

Norma

Personnely i find the circus album far better than beautiful world on the whole and i would go as far to say the circus is the best of their 5 studio albums, although the isngles may not have been as strong as the singles from beautiful world the remaining tracks on the whole are much stronger. Im glad rule the world impresses you as its by far my faveourite song since their return and its probably my faveourite take that single ever followed very closely by never forget.

 

Funny that - Never Forget is by far my favourite TT single from the 90's. I probably like both RTW and NF equally tbh - they are the only two singles that I am not sick to death of hearing unlike Back For Good, Patience, Shine etc.

 

I am suprised TT are not making a big deal about the whole 20 Anniversary like Rob is - although I supose they were absent for 10 of those - but still - surely the tour would be marketed as the 20th Anniversary Full Line Up Reunion - Wouldnt be suprised if there was a new TT GH released next Xmas as well to finish off the whole thing if it is true they will call it a day after the tour.

EMI Germany have anounced 'Shame' will get its first Radio play on the 23rd of August - will be very interesting to see how well this will do internationally considering alot of people will not know Gary unless they are big Rob fans - it will all depend on the quality of the tune. Btw Norma - 'Shame was described as being 'beautiful', where 'Heart and I' was called 'feel good' - so sadly it appears to be a ballad with a Brokeback Mountrain vid. :lol: Talk about cringeworthy :lol:

The Circus, for me was too much of a mish-mash ... with all of them singing on some songs just for the sake of it. For example ... a lot of people loved The Garden ... which I thought was total pants. The songs with just one main singer were the best apart from Said It All which featured both Gary and Mark and Up All Night featuring Jason and Mark. My favourite song however is Jason's How Did It Come To This - especially the acoustic version on the special disc.

 

To be honest ... I think they've got a bloody cheek saying 20 years - especially for Rob's album ... as the earliest song on there is Everything Changes which was, as far as I know, after 1993. If they're counting 20 years ... then there should be a song from 20 years ago. But that is a pedantic quibble as I don't really give a toss.

 

I'm just wondering what the reactions are going to be like from the crowd. I know a lot of TT fans who are still going whilst saying they'll put up with Rob if they have to as a means to seeing the other four. I doubt many Rob fans would be so amenable! :lol:

 

Norma

I doubt many Rob fans would be so amenable! :lol:

 

Norma

 

 

Definatly not, considering his fans are so furious that many of his fan forums/sites are going to be closed down. Many of the international fansites, the biggest of which being the excellent 'Fan Supreme' site have announced they are closing the site down as a result of Robbie jointing TT. They feel this whole thing is a massive slap in the fact after years of support and are even more annoyed that it is not evening being confirmed by anyone if he will return to being a solo career and do the tour he promised. If he had any sort of decent management they would be more than aware of the negetivity this has caused and would ask him to write a short blog giving some clarification. The lack of acknowledgment of his solo fans really is quite staggering. He must be under the illusion that all Rob fans are TT fans and visa versa.

Edited July 16, 201014 yr by De Niro

Definatly not, considering his fans are so furious that many of his fan forums/sites are going to be closed down. Many of the international fansites, the biggest of which being the excellent 'Fan Supreme' site have announced they are closing the site down as a result of Robbie jointing TT. They feel this whole thing is a massive slap in the fact after years of support and are even more annoyed that it is not evening being confirmed by anyone if he will return to being a solo career and do the tour he promised. If he had any sort of decent management they would be more than aware of the negetivity this has caused and would ask him to write a short blog giving some clarification.

 

Maybe though, had he not been so childish in his constant digs at TT - up to as late as 2006 - this wouldn't be happening. Sure ... they still wouldn't know who Take That were (their knowledge of them only being the bile that he spouted) but at least some of them wouldn't be so despising of them ... they'd just look on them as innocent fun (perhaps a minor irritant) and that Rob wanted to play with his mates again. They'd see it as the playful thing in Rob. If these sites close down ... its no loss to Rob but it is largely his fault.

 

Those of us who have supported Take That over the past few years ... and have loved them because Rob wasn't with them ... see this as a slap in the face. Some of us are now 'outsiders' to those who were with Take That from their ridiculous beginnings.

 

Norma

 

Edit ... by the way ... I've said this on the TT board here on BJ ... but NOW is the time for Nigel Martin Smith to write his memoirs. He will make an absolute bloody fortune ... I know I'll buy a dozen copies for friends and relatives ... and I know of loads of other people who are just dying for him to dish the dirt on all five of them (well ... two of them in particular).

 

Have a little nibble here

 

http://www.funtrivia.com/tournament/Buzzja...ivia-61192.html

Edited July 16, 201014 yr by Norma_Snockers

If Robbie already sees his solo career as coming to an end maybe he is not that bothered about what his solo fans think, maybe this is his last hurrah & then it's off into the sunset with his beloved Ayda <_<

 

 

it's not like he bothered to post a blog on his site & saying to his fans this is only temporary & I will be back ..... B) a year has been mentioned but Robbie changes his mind like the wind so I would not hold faith on that statement ;)

Edited July 16, 201014 yr by Cleo

Maybe though, had he not been so childish in his constant digs at TT - up to as late as 2006 - this wouldn't be happening. Sure ... they still wouldn't know who Take That were (their knowledge of them only being the bile that he spouted) but at least some of them wouldn't be so despising of them ... they'd just look on them as innocent fun (perhaps a minor irritant) and that Rob wanted to play with his mates again. They'd see it as the playful thing in Rob. If these sites close down ... its no loss to Rob but it is largely his fault.

Those of us who have supported Take That over the past few years ... and have loved them because Rob wasn't with them ... see this as a slap in the face. Some of us are now 'outsiders' to those who were with Take That from their ridiculous beginnings.

Norma

 

It is funny how TT fans who dislike Rob and Rob's fans who hated the old TT boyband have formed a 'bashing' (and not only) alliance! I wouldn't expect that but I totally enjoy it. I quess if the reunion is for just a year we will all accept TT (and Rob in a shorter scale) 'needed' money. Then Robbie's fans will undoubtedly welcome him back to his solo thing given he is smart enough to know how to explain why this was the plan of 2010-11. TT fans have already been sensing they are about to quit music industry, but some may(?) still not forgive them.

 

What I would also like to underline is that it looks like an R&G thing all over. The remaining 3 are for the time being in the shadows at writing, singing, promo and all other aspects.

i love the re-union but i'm also a bit frighten what will happen and what will be after the album/tour promo... I don't want to lose either Rob nor TT. for the moment im very excited.