Outstanding editorial by Max Hastings one of Britain's most respected and experienced journalists, echoed in far better terms exactly what I think, nail on the fukkin head award goes to him

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13...ailing-lid.html

 

 

Max Hastings one of Britain's most respected and experienced journalists

 

:lol:

Outstanding editorial by Max Hastings one of Britain's most respected and experienced journalists, echoed in far better terms exactly what I think, nail on the fukkin head award goes to him

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13...ailing-lid.html

I stopped taking him seriously when the headline over an article of his totally contradicted what he had written in the Guardian weeks earlier. He may be experienced but he doesn't have my respect.

He says he acknowledges public concern about immigration. But when asked about this issue yesterday, he mentioned only EU workers coming to Britain - the famous, or infamous, Poles - and said nothing about the non-EU migrants who are the real focus of public dismay and, indeed, anger.

What is he on about? :mellow: You don't ever hear anybody moaning about anybody OTHER than Eastern Europeans these days!

 

But few of even the most disgruntled Lib Dems are likely to sign up with losers. Labour's best chance of attracting their support was to start looking like a party with a real chance of wresting power from the coalition.

 

As it is, they know that Ed Miliband's merry band of socialists look every inch a party of opposition - not of government.

What a ridiculous self-fulfilling prophecy! Funny, I thought most people chose a party based on how closely it correlated with its beliefs.

 

Frankly, it's a ridiculous assumption. 'We'll throw the tag of SOCIALIST at Ed and then say people won't support him because he looks like people won't support him!' - what a dreadfully moronic and arrogant article! Cameron's not even defending a majority government when he had every advantage possible going for him this year - so who's to say the majority of the voters who will be bitten hard by the cuts are going to necessarily forgive him just because they get given a tax cut of a penny or two - if the economy even ends up anywhere near healthy enough in the next five years to permit such a thing.

The actions of David over the last few days vindicate my decision not to vote for him, as far as I'm concerned. All this nonsense about him quitting the shadow cabinet, because his ego couldn't handle serving under his brother - it just proves he was only really in politics to get the power, and doesn't actually have any deep desire to help rebuild Labour.

The actions of David over the last few days vindicate my decision not to vote for him, as far as I'm concerned. All this nonsense about him quitting the shadow cabinet, because his ego couldn't handle serving under his brother - it just proves he was only really in politics to get the power, and doesn't actually have any deep desire to help rebuild Labour.

I've read somewhere actually that his decision isn't influence out of ego, but out of a desire to actually give his brother room - he knows the media will just play it up as a new Brown/Blair psychodrama if they're working together closely.

 

I can see it being sensible if that's true. It's for the best he opts out in the medium term, lets Ed establish himself, and then gets Foreign/Home Secretary in a cabinet reshuffle next year/in 2 years.

I've read somewhere actually that his decision isn't influence out of ego, but out of a desire to actually give his brother room - he knows the media will just play it up as a new Brown/Blair psychodrama if they're working together closely.

 

Well, we'll see - although I'm pretty sure having David in the ShadCab would be better for the party, as it would stop any resentment from his supporters. I've heard him say he doesn't want to take away from Ed's moment this week, when, in actual fact, his dithering IS taking away from his moment - much of the media coverage over the last couple of days has been about whether David would run for a position.

OK, I didn't want to delete all of Craig's posts and all the responses because I don't believe in censorship, but I'm so also anal that I couldn't bear having them clogging up the Labour leadership thread, so I split the topics. :P Having read through it all again, I still don't quite understand what exactly started his rant...

OK, I didn't want to delete all of Craig's posts and all the responses because I don't believe in censorship, but I'm so also anal that I couldn't bear having them clogging up the Labour leadership thread, so I split the topics. :P Having read through it all again, I still don't quite understand what exactly started his rant...

I can't help but feel it's all my fault. I should've known better than to get him started on immigration.

So looks like David is bowing out. After his pathetically self-centred and petulant attitude over the last few days, good riddance to the w*n**r.

Really, it was just yesterday that he's shown any signs of being openly petulant.

 

It's a shame, what a waste of talent. At least it basically guarantees Balls or Cooper as Shadow Chancellor, so I'll be ecstatic either way.

 

Time for Dream ShadCabs yet?

 

Chancellor: Balls

Home: ANYBODY BUT BURNHAM. Harman or Cooper...

Health: Burnham by default really...

Work and Pensions: Abbott

Education: Harman/Cooper

 

I'm not quite sure where I'd put Flint...

Alan Johnson for Shadow Deputy PM?

Alan Johnson for Shadow Deputy PM?

That won't necessarily be a specific post. Jack Straw - as shadow Justice Secretary - was up against Nick Clegg for the two constitutional matters recently. It will be interesting to see whether the new shadow Justice Secretary (if this arrangement continues) is a declared supporter of AV. If they are, that could be a signal that many leading Labour figures will be campaigning for a Yes vote.

Alan Johnson for Shadow Deputy PM?

 

I think that would be good, he could combine it with being leader of the House. It would send a strong signal to Lib Dem MPs that Ed M is serious about voting reform, as Johnson is a known long-time supporter of PR.

 

This is what I think/sort of hope will be the ShadCab:

 

Chancellor: Balls

Home: I've got a funny feeling it might be Sadiq Khan

Foreign: Douglas Alexander

Work/Pensions: Abbott

Justice: Caroline Flint

Health: Burnham

Education: Harman

Business: Yvette Cooper

 

Also I hope new MP Chuka Umunna gets a place as he's very talented... I'm not sure if he's even running though.

I think that would be good, he could combine it with being leader of the House. It would send a strong signal to Lib Dem MPs that Ed M is serious about voting reform, as Johnson is a known long-time supporter of PR.

 

This is what I think/sort of hope will be the ShadCab:

 

Chancellor: Balls

Home: I've got a funny feeling it might be Sadiq Khan

Foreign: Douglas Alexander

Work/Pensions: Abbott

Justice: Caroline Flint

Health: Burnham

Education: Harman

Business: Yvette Cooper

 

Also I hope new MP Chuka Umunna gets a place as he's very talented... I'm not sure if he's even running though.

Not sure whether he'd want Diane Abbott to be at the DWP as she is surely more likely to back strike action by unions than Miliband would like. The Shadow Chancellor and Shadow Business Secretary will need to work closely together. Whether it would be a good or a bad thing for the posts to be held by a married couple is open to question.

 

And if they refer to themselves as the ShadCab they will lose all credibility :lol:

Not sure whether he'd want Diane Abbott to be at the DWP as she is surely more likely to back strike action by unions than Miliband would like. The Shadow Chancellor and Shadow Business Secretary will need to work closely together. Whether it would be a good or a bad thing for the posts to be held by a married couple is open to question.

 

I did wonder whether it would be viable for Balls and Cooper to be the top economic posts, but the business profile needs an excellent candidate to shadow Cable, and Cooper fits the bill imo.

 

Really encouraging signs that Ed Miliband generally favours non-tribal moderates, as shown by him forcing out the arch-Brownite Nick Brown as Chief Whip in favour of Rosie Winterton.

Outstanding editorial by Max Hastings one of Britain's most respected and experienced journalists, echoed in far better terms exactly what I think, nail on the fukkin head award goes to him

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13...ailing-lid.html

 

What's he doing writing for a tabloid rag like the Mail then?

 

Kath

Edited September 29, 201014 yr by Kathyp

Ha, I can't believe I'd totally forgotten about Khan! Yeah, he'd be great for Home Secretary...

A bit late but anyway dissapointed that David didn't win. Ed Miliband is just like a carbon copy of David Cameron. His whole look does not impress me at all.

What? :mellow: He's nothing LIKE David Cameron!