Posted May 31, 201015 yr I'm sorry, but this has to be one of THE most disgusting acts Israel have committed, and that's saying something. Why do the international community let them get away with atrocity after atrocity. Obama is one of the few American politicians who gets how vile Israel's government are... but sadly, he's facing a crisis at home, so he'll probably refrain from slamming them this time. And it seems there's little chance of our government condemning them, as Cameron and Hague have shown they want to be pathetic lapdogs to the States.
May 31, 201015 yr I'm sorry, but this has to be one of THE most disgusting acts Israel have committed, and that's saying something. Why do the international community let them get away with atrocity after atrocity. Obama is one of the few American politicians who gets how vile Israel's government are... but sadly, he's facing a crisis at home, so he'll probably refrain from slamming them this time. And it seems there's little chance of our government condemning them, as Cameron and Hague have shown they want to be pathetic lapdogs to the States. It was self defence by the Israelis, they came under attack from knives, iron bars and live ammo so they had every right to defend themselves, while I am sure the Israel bashers would love to see Israeli soldiers beaten and stabbed to death en masse any man has the right to defend himself These "aid" shipments are notorious means of smuggling weapons and missiles to Palestinian terrorists so Israeli forces had every right to inspect the cargo Danny, next time you encounter an armed policeman in the UK pull a knife out on him or an iron bar and if he hasn't pumped you full of lead I will say you were right, he would though and you know it
May 31, 201015 yr It was self defence by the Israelis, they came under attack from knives, iron bars and live ammo so they had every right to defend themselves, while I am sure the Israel bashers would love to see Israeli soldiers beaten and stabbed to death en masse any man has the right to defend himself These "aid" shipments are notorious means of smuggling weapons and missiles to Palestinian terrorists so Israeli forces had every right to inspect the cargo Danny, next time you encounter an armed policeman in the UK pull a knife out on him or an iron bar and if he hasn't pumped you full of lead I will say you were right, he would though and you know it The Free Gaza Movement is an international peaceful aid coalition. Israel are chatting absolute crap...
May 31, 201015 yr It was self defence by the Israelis, they came under attack from knives, iron bars and live ammo so they had every right to defend themselves, while I am sure the Israel bashers would love to see Israeli soldiers beaten and stabbed to death en masse any man has the right to defend himself These "aid" shipments are notorious means of smuggling weapons and missiles to Palestinian terrorists so Israeli forces had every right to inspect the cargo Danny, next time you encounter an armed policeman in the UK pull a knife out on him or an iron bar and if he hasn't pumped you full of lead I will say you were right, he would though and you know it Rubbish. The Israeli government claim that they would have distributed the goods themselves if they'd been asked. After a four-year embargo when they haven't allowed even the most basic goods in, I don't believe that for a moment. Similarly, I can no longer believe a word of what Israeli government spokespersons say about what they've found. Their record of lies is just far too long. The fact is that the Israelis always claim self-defence no matter how appalling their acts. They will continue to do so for as long as the Americans (their paymasters) let them get away with it.
May 31, 201015 yr These "aid" shipments are notorious means of smuggling weapons and missiles to Palestinian terrorists so Israeli forces had every right to inspect the cargo Prove it in this instance Craig, in fact, prove it, full stop.... Pretty sure if there had been something of that nature on board it would've hit the headlines by now... Nope, typical Israeli b'astards at it again...... Why should a TURKISH registered vessel recognise the authority of a foreign power...? Does Isreal even have any kind of remit from the UN or any other international authority to board that or any other vessel.. If not, the Israelis are pretty much committing an act of piracy even setting FOOT onto that vessel illegally and without any kind of internationally recognised authority to do so, the vessel is after all, going to Gaza and not Israel... I would say that those on board had every right to defend themselves against heavily armed individuls who may or may not be about to commit piracy on the high seas for all THEY know, and who have no real authority to set foot on that ship.... Even Sky News is baulking a bit at this action by the Israelis.... Clear cut case of the aid workers attempting to defend themselves and the scumbag Israeli pirates massacring them in cold blood.... Fukk Israel, political and economic sanctions NOW against this disgusting, fascistic state who has for too long trampled on the rights of the Palestinians..... We all know damn fine what would happen if Iran had done this, the nukes would likely be flying now as I write this..... <_<
May 31, 201015 yr Rubbish. The Israeli government claim that they would have distributed the goods themselves if they'd been asked. After a four-year embargo when they haven't allowed even the most basic goods in, I don't believe that for a moment. Similarly, I can no longer believe a word of what Israeli government spokespersons say about what they've found. Their record of lies is just far too long. The fact is that the Israelis always claim self-defence no matter how appalling their acts. They will continue to do so for as long as the Americans (their paymasters) let them get away with it. Israel allows 15,000 tons of aid into Gaza each WEEK, all they wanted to do was inspect this cargo for possible missiles and weapons, many Israeli soldiers were injured and I doubt they self harmed I fully believe that Israeli forces were assaulted by terrorist sympathisers and acted in self defence. Of course some of their excessive reactions of the past might mean that there is an element of "Cry Wolf" to this stuff today but as a loyalist to Israel I fully believe that this was self defence. If the Israelis were attacked (no one from here was on board) then what were their forces supposed to do ? just stand there ? I am with Israel on this until there is hard evidence to the contrary
May 31, 201015 yr Israel allows 15,000 tons of aid into Gaza each WEEK, In that case, why make an issue with this one....? Simple, they did it to inflame an already tense situation and did something they knew would likely p!ss-off the activists to create a situation so they could deal with it with deadly force to stop this particular aid organisation in the future.... That's called being an "Agents Provocateur" in anyone's book, and frankly it's no different to what BNP activist Bob Bailey did to inflame a situation with those Asian youths..... -_- What bitter irony, Israel, the Jewish state, using the tactics of Fascists.... -_-
May 31, 201015 yr Givien that Israel has a history of persecuting the Palestinian people and excessive use of force by the IDF I can quite believe they have been heavy handed in this case again. If they only wanted to check for weapons I see no reason why the Turkish vessels would object if asked reasonably politely. If they Israeli navy were attacked with iron bars and knives as claimed that's hardly an armed crew as these object would be found aplenty in any ships store room or galley. They also claim 2 guns. Again not unreasonable for that type of vessel. It doesn't seem likely that the Turkish crew would lie in wait with those given the Israeli would have been heavily armed. Most importantly if the the ships were in international waters they have no right to board them regardless of where their intended destination is. Edited May 31, 201015 yr by Severin
May 31, 201015 yr Author Most importantly if the the ships were in international waters they have no right to board them regardless of where their intended destination is. Exactly, let's see if Craig will address this point. Even IF they were smuggling missiles or whatever into Gaza (which is a completely dubious claim in itself), israel had no right whatsoever to intercept it while it was in international waters.
May 31, 201015 yr Exactly, let's see if Craig will address this point. Even IF they were smuggling missiles or whatever into Gaza (which is a completely dubious claim in itself), israel had no right whatsoever to intercept it while it was in international waters. We have the Luxury living here in comfort knowing there is little chance of a terrorist attack, Israelis have missiles trained on them from Syria, Iran just waiting to be fired and have hundreds of missiles fired into Israeli soil a year from Palestine. It is easy for a state of paranoia and a siege mentality to develop when under those conditions which leads inevitably to mistakes and errors of judgement
May 31, 201015 yr Exactly, let's see if Craig will address this point. Even IF they were smuggling missiles or whatever into Gaza (which is a completely dubious claim in itself), israel had no right whatsoever to intercept it while it was in international waters. We have the Luxury living here in comfort knowing there is little chance of a terrorist attack, Israelis have missiles trained on them from Syria, Iran just waiting to be fired and have hundreds of missiles fired into Israeli soil a year from Palestine. It is easy for a state of paranoia and a siege mentality to develop when under those conditions which leads inevitably to mistakes and errors of judgement
May 31, 201015 yr We have the Luxury living here in comfort knowing there is little chance of a terrorist attack, Israelis have missiles trained on them from Syria, Iran just waiting to be fired and have hundreds of missiles fired into Israeli soil a year from Palestine. It is easy for a state of paranoia and a siege mentality to develop when under those conditions which leads inevitably to mistakes and errors of judgement Little chance of a terroist attack.. What the hell was 7/7 then? The IRA? You just forget about all of that you numpty....? And, also, the "minor" thing that now ever since the bloody Iraq war we are now on the list of targets for any nutter with a grudge..... But despite all this, we actually DO kind of remember a thing called the Geneva Convention which we signed up to, and we also DIDN'T go around bombing the sh!t out of the Republic of Ireland either during the Troubles in the 70s and 80, when we had bombs going off every other week just about.... We also signed up to a thing called the Declaration of Human Rights, the International Criminal Court, etc...... So, sorry mate, I say again... FUKK ISRAEL, their problems are of their OWN creation (just as America has created its own problems leading up to 9/11), THEY decided to treat the Palestinians with utter inhumanity and degradation throughout the period since the war, well, you shouldn't exactly be surprised how people react when you treat them like sh"t in the first place and take away their pride and dignity. As far as I'm concerned the Palestinians are every bit as justified to react the way they do as the Native Americans were in how they treated General Custer and his men, (ie, scalping the buggers), or indeed, how the Frence, Czech and Italian resistance fighters dealt with the Nazis.....
May 31, 201015 yr Little chance of a terroist attack.. What the hell was 7/7 then? The IRA? You just forget about all of that you numpty....? And, also, the "minor" thing that now ever since the bloody Iraq war we are now on the list of targets for any nutter with a grudge..... But despite all this, we actually DO kind of remember a thing called the Geneva Convention which we signed up to, and we also DIDN'T go around bombing the sh!t out of the Republic of Ireland either during the Troubles in the 70s and 80, when we had bombs going off every other week just about.... We also signed up to a thing called the Declaration of Human Rights, the International Criminal Court, etc...... So, sorry mate, I say again... FUKK ISRAEL, their problems are of their OWN creation (just as America has created its own problems leading up to 9/11), THEY decided to treat the Palestinians with utter inhumanity and degradation throughout the period since the war, well, you shouldn't exactly be surprised how people react when you treat them like sh"t in the first place and take away their pride and dignity. As far as I'm concerned the Palestinians are every bit as justified to react the way they do as the Native Americans were in how they treated General Custer and his men, (ie, scalping the buggers), or indeed, how the Frence, Czech and Italian resistance fighters dealt with the Nazis..... Course I didn't forget but in comparison to over 600 rockets and missiles fired into Israel in 2009 on 135 different days we are relatively safe Palestine is a terrorist state that elected a terrorist group to represent them (Hamas), if the Palestinians wanted peace they should not have elected terrorists as leaders If I said what I really think about Palestine I would be banned, I fully support Israel's actions in the region Edited May 31, 201015 yr by I ❤ JustinBieber
May 31, 201015 yr Course I didn't forget but in comparison to over 600 rockets and missiles fired into Israel in 2009 on 135 different days we are relatively safe Palestine is a terrorist state that elected a terrorist group to represent them (Hamas), if the Palestinians wanted peace they should not have elected terrorists as leaders If I said what I really think about Palestine I would be banned, I fully support Israel's actions in the region Upon being elected, Hamas offered Israel a long ceasefire and a de facto acceptance of two states, if only Israel would return to its legal borders. In response to this peace offering, Israel announced that it was blockading the Gaza Strip in order to "pressure" its people to reverse the democratic process. The Israelis surrounded the Strip and refused to let anyone or anything out. They let in a tiny amount of food, fuel and medicine, but not enough for survival, and Dov Weisglass, a senior adviser to the government, quipped that the Gazans were being "put on a diet". According to Oxfam, only 137 trucks of food were allowed into Gaza in December 2008 to feed 1.5 million people. The United Nations said that poverty had reached an "unprecedented level." With these actions being taken, is it any surprise that they launched missiles at Israel? :/
May 31, 201015 yr We have the Luxury living here in comfort knowing there is little chance of a terrorist attack, Israelis have missiles trained on them from Syria, Iran just waiting to be fired and have hundreds of missiles fired into Israeli soil a year from Palestine. It is easy for a state of paranoia and a siege mentality to develop when under those conditions which leads inevitably to mistakes and errors of judgement Maybe if they stopped occupying Palestinian territory they wouldn't have to worry so much. The way Israel treats the Palestinians is akin to the way Nazi Germany treated the Jews BEFORE the final solution came into consideration Edited May 31, 201015 yr by Severin
May 31, 201015 yr Maybe if they stopped occupying Palestinian territory they wouldn't have to worry so much It is not Palestinian territory though, they were handed it in a carve up but Palestine was given to the jews by god thousands of years ago and Palestinian soil includes sacred jewish areas such as Bethlehem and the place where jesus was born, I am not religious myself but it is jewish territory
May 31, 201015 yr Course I didn't forget but in comparison to over 600 rockets and missiles fired into Israel in 2009 on 135 different days we are relatively safe Killing how many people? Three? Or not quite so many? We could go on forever with the "they started it" argument back to the Balfour Declaration and beyond. The fact is Israel, as the country with the best democratic credentials in the region, ought to maintain higher moral standards than they do. That means not building on occupied territory, not launching missile strikes on civilian targets and not bombing UN buildings to name just a few of the things they've done in recent years.
May 31, 201015 yr It is not Palestinian territory though, they were handed it in a carve up but Palestine was given to the jews by god thousands of years ago and Palestinian soil includes sacred jewish areas such as Bethlehem and the place where jesus was born, I am not religious myself but it is jewish territory CONTRADICTION ALERT
May 31, 201015 yr Killing how many people? Three? Or not quite so many? We could go on forever with the "they started it" argument back to the Balfour Declaration and beyond. The fact is Israel, as the country with the best democratic credentials in the region, ought to maintain higher moral standards than they do. That means not building on occupied territory, not launching missile strikes on civilian targets and not bombing UN buildings to name just a few of the things they've done in recent years. Israel should take over the West Bank and Gaza Strip and expel all "Palestinians" from the region, let them fukk off to Egypt and to Jordan they are a threat to the safety of Israel and live on what I maintain is Israeli soil. Tanks should move in and repatriate the Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan and reclam the soil that morally belongs to Israel.
May 31, 201015 yr Israel should take over the West Bank and Gaza Strip and expel all "Palestinians" from the region, let them fukk off to Egypt and to Jordan they are a threat to the safety of Israel and live on what I maintain is Israeli soil. Tanks should move in and repatriate the Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan and reclam the soil that morally belongs to Israel. OK, so here ends the argument. You agree with expansionism beyond UN agreed borders. I don't. Perhaps Italy should demand the Roman Empire back.
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