I echo what one fan's just said on GMTV. An English manager should manage the English team!!!!

 

 

But no English manager was the responsibility, name one. I wouldn't mind Martin O'Neill though

england was good but they dont have the will to win. especially in the second half time

Those following points I wrote on another forum and I also do it here now!

6 points how England can do better in the future:

 

1. Get a new manager who's actually English like Hodgson, Pearce or Redknapp!

 

2. Give more English players a chance to play in the big teams instead of all these foreigners

'cause in the end other national teams were benefiting from the current situation - England not...!

 

3. Don't pick the national squad on reputation but on current form!

 

4. Stop overhyping the players - so no one will be anymore surprised and wonder why they always fail...

 

5. Stop talking about rivalry & other sh!t - it makes too much pressure on everybody and don't help.

 

6. Cut the wages of these overpaid players - where's the passion when you got too much of anything...

 

You realize that Germany is actually guilty of 3, 4, 5 and partly 2 as well? :P

But no English manager was the responsibility, name one. I wouldn't mind Martin O'Neill though

 

Woy Hodgson and Harry Redknapp would take job in a moments heartbeat.

Yes, let's hire Hodgson because he got his club to the UEFA Cup final. That's always worked well in the past! Wait...

FIFA are reported to be "unhappy" about the booing by English fans of the German national anthem. Rightly so. I noticed that and it was very disrespectful. :angry:

 

I'm afraid I also tutted at that.

 

I was supporting England yesterday, I always do, but I couldn't help but have a good laugh when Lampard's goal was disallowed. Modern goal-line technology has proven time and again that Geoff Hurst's goal didn't cross the line so I think this is what's known as karma.

 

Would have made no difference, England's shocking centre backs and that useless beggar Barry would have still invited Germany in. Only difference is that the score would have ended 4-2...and no Englishman would have wanted that!

No it wasn't. It hits his back

Go watch it on youtube, definitely hits his hand/arm, then hits his back.

 

Why do you think Gordon banks is quite clearly calling that it was handball?

You realize that Germany is actually guilty of 3, 4, 5 and partly 2 as well? :P

Hmm, you're actually right with 2 and 3...Lol! :rolleyes:

But we don't do point 4 = overhyping!! On tele and in magazines I always see how everybody

praise the other teams! Robben here - Messi there... and especially Rooney everywhere! ^_^

Thereby we forget that a player like Klose for example scored 12 World Cups goals now

and that people in 50 years will still know his name because of that while other overhyped players

like Rooney don't have anything like that by comparison...!

 

 

 

@M!key

O'Neill isn't English but Irish...! ;)

Edited June 28, 201014 yr by boys allowed

FIFA are reported to be "unhappy" about the booing by English fans of the German national anthem. Rightly so. I noticed that and it was very disrespectful. :angry:

 

How fukkin' dare you spread this vicious and blatant lie. :angry:

 

If you google your statement the only thing that comes up is some moron on DigitalSpy called Crazy Chris posting a thread about this blatant lie.

 

I watched the match at the time and heard nothing of the sort except for those bloody Vuvuzela's when the German anthem was played.

 

Indeed if you read match reports in the Guardian & the Telegraph they both complimented the English contingent for not doing what they regularly do when they play at Wembley to the opposition's anthems.

 

As for what FIFA actually said:

 

England fans 'a credit to their country' in South Africa, FIFA say

Monday, 28 June 2010 12:30 UK

BBC News

 

FIFA secretary-general Jerome Valcke has praised England fans for their good behaviour during the World Cup, with only one football-related arrest.

 

Pavlos Joseph, 32, from London, is accused of entering England's dressing room after the Algeria match.

 

FIFA secretary-general Jerome Valcke said that the travelling fans had "done their country proud".

 

Especially the manner and humour in the aftermath of their defeat to Germany on Sunday. "With the outcome of the result, we fully expect a large amount of tension from frustrated England fans, but under the circumstances of a very disappointing result for them they behaved with dignity and a good sense of self depreciating British humour sharing drinks with the victorious German supporters resulting in no arrests before, during or in the following 12 hours of the match in Bloemfontein on Sunday."

 

Assistant Chief Constable Mr Holt, who is leading a team of 12 UK officers in South Africa, said he had never experienced a more friendly atmosphere and to have only one arrest at this stage of the competition was "unusual".

 

He said a "combination of factors" had had an impact, including 3,000 football banning orders.

 

But he said the type of fans who had travelled, who were generally older and had come with families, was a big factor.

"It's a long way to come. People have spent a lot of money. The fans that are here are the genuine article. They have saved and worked hard to get here.

"I think it's credit to the England supporters who have come out here determined to have a good time. But it's also credit to our South African colleagues who have done everything they possible can to make people feel welcome," he said.

 

It is a view shared by Mark Perryman, a spokesman for England fans, who said the reception fans had received in South Africa had been "extraordinary".

"When we got off the plane, people were dancing, it was spontaneous, and from that moment on, everywhere we've been - from townships to the host cities - people have been really friendly.

"It's been informal and relaxed, with music playing. There's a very visible police presence too, but I haven't seen any incidents where they've been needed," he said.

 

Mr Holt said it was very different circumstances in Germany four years ago.

 

Then, 828 out of the 8,935 fans that were detained or arrested were English, according to the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo).

"[Germany] was closer to home, so it was easier for people to come out on a whim, perhaps without tickets, just to take part in the atmosphere around the competition.

"And therefore you saw significantly more arrests and significantly more disorder," Mr Holt said.

 

FIFA secretary-general Jerome Valcke said that the travelling fans had "done much to repair the historic reputation of English supporters throughout the world", adding "they have probably been greater ambassadors for their country in South Africa than their national football team".

Go watch it on youtube, definitely hits his hand/arm, then hits his back.

 

Why do you think Gordon banks is quite clearly calling that it was handball?

Banks thought it was handball. I don't think it was

 

How fukkin' dare you spread this vicious and blatant lie. :angry:

 

If you google your statement the only thing that comes up is some moron on DigitalSpy called Crazy Chris posting a thread about this blatant lie.

 

I watched the match at the time and heard nothing of the sort except for those bloody Vuvuzela's when the German anthem was played.

 

Indeed if you read match reports in the Guardian & the Telegraph they both complimented the English contingent for not doing what they regularly do when they play at Wembley to the opposition's anthems.

Sadly it's true.

 

PREGAME |National anthems

The announcement of the German national anthem is greeted with boos by the England fans (they boo every anthem, the classy bunch). The shots are kind of like a glorified fan cam, as fans hoot and wave at their image onscreen. There’s then a loud chorus of God Save The Queen. And then we have the handshakes. Nobody refuses to shake John Terry’s hand.

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/w...any-vs-england/

 

http://betaboards.ign.com/soccer/b5106/193221744/p5

 

Just a five minute look on Google finds evidence. Sadly the only youtube clip is poor quality

 

 

I heard the booing quite clearly too actually, I remember thinking 'I wonder why the commentators haven't picked up on this'.

 

You can hear it here on the iPlayer re-run of the match starting at 52:39;

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00sx...land_v_Germany/

I remember the boos in the first game of new Wembley 2007 (guess who won...)! :naughty:

 

When the Germans are talking about the "Wembley goal" why are the English saying

"but we scored a 4th goal" then - the video shows both were irregular! :blink:

 

 

Never mind - we had our revenge for '66 + '01 yesterday and don't care anymore! :D

Edited June 28, 201014 yr by boys allowed

Read on the BBC Red Button that Dave Whelan thinks the Premier League should take over the running of the England team rather than the FA. Does anyone have any ideas if this is a good or bad idea?

 

For me the problem facing any England football manager is the 'John Barnes conundrum' - how to get a gifted club footballer to replicate it in an England shirt.

 

The other problem is - why do England always seem to underperform no matter how good they seem to be? For example, the German team of 2002 is acknowledged by many to be a poor team and yet got to the final - could you ever see a poor England side getting to the final? Greece won the Euro 2004 competition without any major stars but were disciplined, worked as a team and were hard to break down - again, could you ever see an England side do this and be successful as Greece?

Banks thought it was handball. I don't think it was

That video is completely inconclusive over the German's second goal as the view was obscured as the ball went through.

 

Here is the movietone film from the match.

 

Watch Bobby Moore. He races after the ref convinced it was handball.

 

Even more interesting was the Russian linesman who raised a flag and then put it down. Seems really flakey to me.

Was this a case of him evening things out with the 3rd England goal?

Hmm, you're actually right with 2 and 3...Lol! :rolleyes:

But we don't do point 4 = overhyping!! On tele and in magazines I always see how everybody

praise the other teams! Robben here - Messi there... and especially Rooney everywhere! ^_^

Thereby we forget that a player like Klose for example scored 12 World Cups goals now

and that people in 50 years will still know his name because of that while other overhyped players

like Rooney don't have anything like that by comparison...!

 

Maybe we read different magazines and watch different programmes but I see a lot of overhyping or at least too emotional reactions.

 

After the 4-0 vs. Australia, you heard everywhere that Germany is the best team in the World Cup and that we'll beat everyone with ease. After the 2 following matches, we suddenly were the underdog against England. And now, we are going to win the whole thing again. :lol:

How fukkin' dare you spread this vicious and blatant lie. :angry:

 

If you google your statement the only thing that comes up is some moron on DigitalSpy called Crazy Chris posting a thread about this blatant lie.

 

I watched the match at the time and heard nothing of the sort except for those bloody Vuvuzela's when the German anthem was played.

 

Indeed if you read match reports in the Guardian & the Telegraph they both complimented the English contingent for not doing what they regularly do when they play at Wembley to the opposition's anthems.

 

 

Just seen this. I think you owe me an apology as other posters here heard the booing too. Anyone who didn't needs their ears testing I'm afraid. Even my daughter heard it and was eating so not paying full atention.

Edited June 30, 201014 yr by Common Sense

That video is completely inconclusive over the German's second goal as the view was obscured as the ball went through.

 

Here is the movietone film from the match.

 

Watch Bobby Moore. He races after the ref convinced it was handball.

 

Even more interesting was the Russian linesman who raised a flag and then put it down. Seems really flakey to me.

Was this a case of him evening things out with the 3rd England goal?

The linesman was very bad - I wouldn't take his movings too serious!

(I read somewhere that before his death someone asked him again why he gave the Hurst goal in extra time

and he talked - or should I say he admit?! - that it was a revenge for WW2 battles in Russia... - says it all)! ^_^

 

The linesman was very bad - I wouldn't take his movings too serious!

(I read somewhere that before his death someone asked him again why he gave the Hurst goal in extra time

and he talked - or should I say he admit?! - that it was a revenge for WW2 battles in Russia... - says it all)! ^_^

Apparently his final word on the subject was "stalingrad". It just proves the guy had an absolute nightmare on the day.

That video is completely inconclusive over the German's second goal as the view was obscured as the ball went through.

 

Here is the movietone film from the match.

 

Watch Bobby Moore. He races after the ref convinced it was handball.

 

Even more interesting was the Russian linesman who raised a flag and then put it down. Seems really flakey to me.

Was this a case of him evening things out with the 3rd England goal?

I'll grant Moore thinks it's handball too judging by that but it's less conclusive than the video I posted and without knowing his view it's hard to say as both Banks and Moore's view might make it look like handball because the arm was near.

 

As for the linesman it looks to me like he's going to flag for offside at the far post but drops it as the ball isn't passed. He flags far to late to have seen it as handball.