June 27, 201015 yr Downloading via these filesharing sites is stealing if you're not paying! The difference is that the Corn Flakes were paid for. apart from pre-release music, the music has been paid for, people dont magically find music to upload, they have brought the music they are uploading, it has been paid for. they are SHARING the music they have paid for. come back to me when you know what your talking about, your knowledge is based upon incorrect assumptions. I am not a theif, I am a music lover. Oh and you may be interested to know that it is a FACT that people who download music for free on the internet also spend more money on music than people who dont.
June 27, 201015 yr apart from pre-release music, the music has been paid for, people dont magically find music to upload, they have brought the music they are uploading, it has been paid for. they are SHARING the music they have paid for. Trying to talk sense to you is like p***ing against the wind! The topic is about ileaks. If you're downloading stuff through that site you're not paying for it - you're stealing it! It's not rocket science..
June 27, 201015 yr Author I never paid big money for songs off ILEAKS. The only reason i was going onto it was to see what tracks have leaked so i could look them up and listen on youtube
June 27, 201015 yr Trying to talk sense to you is like p***ing against the wind! The topic is about ileaks. If you're downloading stuff through that site you're not paying for it - you're stealing it! It's not rocket science.. ok put it this way. Robin Hood > Simon Cowell. Oh no how dare we "steal" from these people who are out in the first place TO RIP PEOPLE OFF. anything from a major record label is worth stealing to make up for the millions that they have made from ripping people off. Leaving my house, breaking into my neighbours house picking up their television and keeping it = stealing. Listening to music, when no money has been exchanged = listening to music. f***ing hell you are like those awful DVD adverts "YOU WOULDNT STEAL A CAR, SO DONT DOWNLOAD MOVIES" yes because stealing cars is the same as having a non-physical mp3 file on your computer.
June 27, 201015 yr Stealing is stealing - no matter how much $h!t you talk! You're taking the music and storing on it on your computer and you're not paying for it!
June 27, 201015 yr I only illegally download a song when they won't ever be available on iTunes whether it is ripping a live performance of youtube or illegally downloading a US-only track etc. I illegally downloaded Alexandra's 'Don't Let Me Start Without You' only because it's not available atm but once it is released on iTunes, I will buy it legally to show my appreciation. iLeaks is just immoral! They should be convicted.
June 27, 201015 yr Stealing is stealing - no matter how much $h!t you talk! You're taking the music and storing on it on your computer and you're not paying for it! i dont see it as stealing though, since when was taking music and storing it on a computer a crime, so if i borrow a cd from a friend (taking music) and then store that cd on my computer, i'm not paying for it, so therefore I just stole the music? sorry you are not speaking sense. if I walked into HMV and picked up a CD and walked out without paying for it, that is stealing. answer me this question, do you think music is here for people to make money? if you think yes, then we wont agree. Music is not a money making scheme, as ive said A THOUSAND f***ING TIMES NOW major record labels dont deserve the f***ing money, I would never "steal" music from an independent artist who actually makes music because they want to make music (not make music to make money), but I wont hear their music unless I hear it for free first, so without downloading I dont ever buy music, with downloading i buy a lot more music, but I will never give another penny to those souless f***s at EMI, Virgin etc who are just in the business to make as much money as possible. Im sorry that my "stealing" from people who are damn right HORRIBLE people offends you. and when I "steal" from people who arent horrible people, they dont seem to mind the stealing. Maybe if the music BUSINESS (i dont like using the term 'music business' as music should not be a business) werent so f***ing stupid they would embrace the internet and allow free downloading, heck if I was a Lady GaGa fan, I would never buy her music because it costs so much to see her live, which is also where she (or rather her money hungry record label Interscope) gets more money from, the music is an advertisement for the mega rip off live show. You obviously dont share the same passion for music as me, as you are too far up the law's arse that you think that downloading a piece of music for free is morally wrong as it is "stealing". And as I said the people who "steal" music more actually spend more money on music anyway, if people didnt "steal" music, the music industry (another term I wish wasnt real) would be in a much worse state. Anyway seeing as "stealing is stealing" i've already "stolen" a album today, so as stealing is stealing, im going to go and steal a car. as if "stealing is stealing" then it doesnt matter what you steal, its still stealing, so stealing an album is = stealing anything else, so im gonna go and still some cars as yanno stealing is stealing, if im gonna steal music i might aswell steal a car.
June 27, 201015 yr i dont see it as stealing though, since when was taking music and storing it on a computer a crime, so if i borrow a cd from a friend (taking music) and then store that cd on my computer, i'm not paying for it, so therefore I just stole the music? Legally speaking yes - you've stolen it!
June 27, 201015 yr iTunes and sites like that, who offer a digital download for money, make money out of air, literally. Buying a CD album in store is purchasing music, downloading a track off a digital store is just companies ripping people off. I'll NEVER download a single song 'legally'.
June 27, 201015 yr By choosing to download a song for free instead of paying for it, loads of people are losing money. Not just the artist, but the producers, songwriters, record labels... Of course it's stealing. Regardless of whether you think it's acceptable, the fact is it is illegal.
June 27, 201015 yr How exactly will they LOSE money if i had absolutely no intention of buying a song afterwards in the first place? :blink:
June 27, 201015 yr Maybe you wouldn't have, but you can be sure there are thousands of people downloading the same song, who would have otherwise paid for it if the illegal option wasn't there.
June 27, 201015 yr But you still didn't answer, how would I make people like artists, songwriters, etc. lose their money? I can't be responsible for other 'thousands' surely, can I?
June 27, 201015 yr Author I can't believe it iLeaks has been taken down. Best website ever. :( Its not taken down. You need the Password. : Highway
June 28, 201015 yr Just to sum up my disagreement with Shaky Fan, I just read this post on another forum in a topic about Joe Biden claiming piracy is theft, and basically shows that it is'nt: This shows that Biden has no idea of what the legal concept of 'theft' is. Theft almost universally requires the intent to PERMANENTLY DEPRIVE the rightful possessor of the object. There is no way that piracy can EVER deprive the rightful possessor of the object, let alone permanently deprive. Also, theft requires personal property, rather than intellectual or real property. Music is intellectual property, hence it can't be theft. Calling the misappropriation and duplication of intellectual property theft is a bast*rdization of the term, especially when used in a governmental/official setting. Yet again, a-swing-n-a-miss, Biden. You're too old for politics. Edit: Black's Law Dictionary's definition of Theft: Black's Law Dictionary (8th ed. 2004), theft THEFT theft, n. 1. The felonious taking and removing of another's personal property with the intent of depriving the true owner of it; larceny. [Cases: Larceny 1. C.J.S. Larceny §§ 1(1, 2), 9.]2. Broadly, any act or instance of stealing, including larceny, burglary, embezzlement, and false pretenses. • Many modern penal codes have consolidated such property offenses under the name “theft.” — Also termed (in Latin) crimen furti. See LARCENY. So, yeah. Biden is straight-up WRONG. Piracy =/= theft. End of discussion. My point in posting that is just saying downloading music is not theft. But that is irrelevant to the fact iLeaks sell on (or used to sell on) music for their own personal benefit (i.e actually taking money for the music where the artist should be getting said money, which puts them in the same category as ticket touts and fake t-shirt makers, if your going to buy music, buy it from the people who make it).
June 28, 201015 yr What difference does it make if it was posted by someone who downloads illegally (which is like 99.5% of the population who has internet)? :blink:
June 28, 201015 yr No doubt posted by someone who downloads illegally! So your definition of theft is more correct than the most widely used law dictonary's definition? move on.
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