Craig, do you atleast accept that unemployment will skyrocket if this Coalition has it's way?

 

The supposedly independent Office of Budgetary Responsibility admits it expects 1.1m public-sector jobs to be axed - but, to offset this, it expects the private sector to create 2.5m jobs. This in spite of the fact that, between 2000 and 2008, when the economy was booming as opposed to now, the private sector only created 1.6m new jobs in that entire period. The mind boggles.

 

Unemployment in the short and medium term will rise yes, probably quite significantly for a period but the best way to help unemployment is a strong dynamic economy, low tax, less business regulation and elf n safety $h!t, less meddling from Brussels, low government borrowing, these sort of things will BOOST jobs, cutting business red tape will give directors more time to be doing deals as opposed to mountains of paperwork and regulations.

 

Making it easier to do business in this country will mean more business done and more new businesses started and more jobs created.

 

 

Precisely....

 

Craig - ever hear of the HMOs?? Where millions of Americans DID do the right thing by their families, paid into private medical care, only to be turned down by these scum-bags when they did actually need help..... Yeah, great idea, turn the UK into the 51st State of America, because the US economy has worked out really well for the vast majority of its people hasn't it.....? You may wanna check out the last two documentaries Mike Moore has made to see how the "American Dream" has become an out and out fukkin' disaster for ordinary Americans in the past five years or so.....

 

Us joining the Euro is not gonna be the big problem you and the other Euro-sceptics claim it is, that is a fallacy....

 

We don't have to have a carbon copy to what America do, we do not have to copy them 100% but I want to see a 2 tier system, a free NHS for the poor and those who can't afford health insurance and a private health insurance scheme for every working person that they pay into be it BUPA or any of those, slashing taxes or even abolising income tax gives people money in their pockets, those in work would also pay private employment insurance which means that they pay premiums and insurance companies not the state give them the dole when they are out of work.

Unemployment in the short and medium term will rise yes, probably quite significantly for a period but the best way to help unemployment is a strong dynamic economy, low tax, less business regulation and elf n safety $h!t, less meddling from Brussels, low government borrowing, these sort of things will BOOST jobs, cutting business red tape will give directors more time to be doing deals as opposed to mountains of paperwork and regulations.

 

Making it easier to do business in this country will mean more business done and more new businesses started and more jobs created.

 

Crap.... Unemployment is at already at a 10-year high just in three months of a CON-servative regime.... You think it's gonna get better in the next 5 years? Nope, we'll be back to the 1980s levels before the first year or so of this Govt is out, I guarantee it....

 

The line "meddling from Brussels", you make me laugh mate... All you flaky "Eurosceptics" do... You go on about "Brussels Meddlers", but seem to accept meddling from Wall Street and Washington with open arms, even though it's THAT meddling which has caused all the problems with this country's economy.....

 

Crap.... Unemployment is at already at a 10-year high just in three months of a CON-servative regime.... You think it's gonna get better in the next 5 years? Nope, we'll be back to the 1980s levels before the first year or so of this Govt is out, I guarantee it....

 

The line "meddling from Brussels", you make me laugh mate... All you flaky "Eurosceptics" do... You go on about "Brussels Meddlers", but seem to accept meddling from Wall Street and Washington with open arms, even though it's THAT meddling which has caused all the problems with this country's economy.....

 

I was referring to the EU time directive that was essentially telling employers how long their staff could work for, it was not the business of Brussels it is a matter between employee and employer

We don't have to have a carbon copy to what America do, we do not have to copy them 100% but I want to see a 2 tier system, a free NHS for the poor and those who can't afford health insurance and a private health insurance scheme for every working person that they pay into be it BUPA or any of those, slashing taxes or even abolising income tax gives people money in their pockets, those in work would also pay private employment insurance which means that they pay premiums and insurance companies not the state give them the dole when they are out of work.

 

America has 'Medicare' for those who are on Welfare and cant afford health insurance, and that system is a fukkin' shambles as well... But, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the millions of Americans who DID as you suggest and still got fukked over by the HMOs... What is there to guarantee this would not repeat itself here in the UK? Answer, there IS no guarantee seeing as how people like YOU seem to favour the Free Market.... Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this, and I dont believe it's worth taking the risk with potentially millions of lives... The NHS has served the people of this country well since the war, the people want to preserve it, and no Government or Capitalist scumbag looking to make a quid out of it has the right to come and destroy it.... The Tory "reforms" will see the destruction of the NHS, and they should be opposed...

 

Ireland has been badly hampered by being in the Euro as has Spain.

 

Our weaker pound is helping exports ATM and the export market is absolutely booming, we have much more flexibility with what we can do as we are not in the Euro,

 

I would personally like to see a long term where income tax is abolished, where vat taxation is increased and where state spending is at the bare bones and people are trusted to use their money as they see fit, I would like to see everyone have private health insurance, everyone take out insurance against losing their jobs so that their benefits come from insurance companies as opposed to the state etc, all that stuff will take decades if it was ever bought in though

And how would you and the other 23 people willing to stay in a country run on that basis survive?

Crap.... Unemployment is at already at a 10-year high just in three months of a CON-servative regime.... You think it's gonna get better in the next 5 years? Nope, we'll be back to the 1980s levels before the first year or so of this Govt is out, I guarantee it....

 

The line "meddling from Brussels", you make me laugh mate... All you flaky "Eurosceptics" do... You go on about "Brussels Meddlers", but seem to accept meddling from Wall Street and Washington with open arms, even though it's THAT meddling which has caused all the problems with this country's economy.....

 

I am not anti Europe, I am pro Common Market, the basis in which we entered the EC in the first place, I want to see the EU as one big trading zone with little regulation and no centralised interference, I am pro common market as a free trade area, I am totally opposed to Brussels having anything to do with our military, policing, interest rates, working hours etc etc

Unemployment in the short and medium term will rise yes, probably quite significantly for a period but the best way to help unemployment is a strong dynamic economy, low tax, less business regulation and elf n safety $h!t, less meddling from Brussels, low government borrowing, these sort of things will BOOST jobs, cutting business red tape will give directors more time to be doing deals as opposed to mountains of paperwork and regulations.

 

Making it easier to do business in this country will mean more business done and more new businesses started and more jobs created.

 

You mean "red tape" like making employers give all employees a halfway-decent wage, that they don't work 15 hours without break, that they aren't turned down from a job due to their race/gender/sexuality and that they don't release excessive amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. You might call that "red tape", I call it minimum standards to ensure we have a decent society.

Do you have any figures that show they were doing better than us ?

 

From memory Germany was up $h!t creek thanks to the Euro and also the integration with E Germany cost billions.

It was only because they had a much stronger economy than ours that Germany could even contemplate integrating with the basket case that was East Germany.

I was referring to the EU time directive that was essentially telling employers how long their staff could work for, it was not the business of Brussels it is a matter between employee and employer

Wrong. It was telling employers how long they could force their workers to work over a sustained period. If you ever need surgery do you want to be operated on by someone who's been working 50 hours per week for the last few months? Why should anyone be forced to work 50 hours per week every week?

And how would you and the other 23 people willing to stay in a country run on that basis survive?

 

By cutting income tax for ALL down to 10% or even over time abolishing it altogether there would be 23m people desperate to come here mate, it would leave so much money in people's pockets, businesses would want to set up here, the worlds best surgeons, doctors, scientists, engineers would all want to be coming here due to the lack of taxation. There would be a flat rate sales tax on everything that is higher than it is now but people would still be incredibly better off and more importantly set free from the government spending their money for them and instead trusting them with their own money.

 

Replacing national insurance with private health insurance and unemployment insurance would reduce the strain on the NHS and welfare too.

Us joining the Euro is not gonna be the big problem you and the other Euro-sceptics claim it is, that is a fallacy....

 

In fairness, I think we can see in retrospect it was a wise decision to not join the Euro. Not for any ridiculous reason like "keeping the Queen on the pound" or whatever, but because we've seen now the inherent flaws in a currency that links up a lot of fundamentally different economies without any kind of in-built survival mechanism (i.e. a huge pot of money) at the centre to fall back on if one member gets in trouble.

 

David Blanchflower (one of the few economists to foresee the financial crisis in 2007, and one of the most bitter opponents of the Coalition's cuts) reckons keeping the pound meant that unemployment right now is about half of what it would've been had we joined the Euro, due to the fact keeping our own currency allows a lot more flexibility when it comes to interest rates and quantitative easing.

Edited August 11, 201014 yr by Danny

I was referring to the EU time directive that was essentially telling employers how long their staff could work for, it was not the business of Brussels it is a matter between employee and employer

 

And again, I dont agree with that at all... 48 hours per week (in a typical five-day week, that's over NINE hours a day mate, so, come on, who are you trying to kid...?) limit for MOST occupations is perfectly reasonable, there needs to be a work/life balance, people need to be with their families, etc... British workers are working longer hours (actually more than they did in the 40s, 50s and 60s) and are the most stressed and unhappy in Europe, which then leads to alcoholism, drug abuse, taking it out on the spouse and kids, etc.. And essential services such as Police, Fire, Armed forces, etc, are not part of the Directive anyway... Without limits, you'd get some unscrupulous employers who would work their employees til they dropped...

 

There's actually a lot of evidence that points to European worker being MORE productive by and large even though they work less hours than UK workers. Why is that? Because of a better work/life balance than their UK counterparts.... A happy workforce is a more PRODUCTIVE workforce, a more humane approach to HR management yields better results every time than using Hard HR approaches..... FACT...

 

By cutting income tax for ALL down to 10% or even over time abolishing it altogether there would be 23m people desperate to come here mate, it would leave so much money in people's pockets, businesses would want to set up here, the worlds best surgeons, doctors, scientists, engineers would all want to be coming here due to the lack of taxation. There would be a flat rate sales tax on everything that is higher than it is now but people would still be incredibly better off and more importantly set free from the government spending their money for them and instead trusting them with their own money.

 

Replacing national insurance with private health insurance and unemployment insurance would reduce the strain on the NHS and welfare too.

 

I've got news for you, there's already tax havens like that in the world, such as Dubai... do you think standard of living there for the non-business people is great?

I've got news for you, there's already tax havens like that in the world, such as Dubai... do you think standard of living there for the non-business people is great?

 

Dubai keeps its costs down by expoliting particularly Indians and paying them next to nothing and confiscating their passports so they can't leave the country, most Indians working on construction sites in Dubai are paid on average $1.30 an hour, in many cases even less, am I advocating that in this country ? course not.

 

But I think people should make their own decisions on how to spend their money hence my tax proposals, VAT would go up to fund things like the police, the military etc but as someone who pays private health insurance already why should I pay national insurance on top of that ? far better would be to scrap NI and put the money in peoples pockets to take out private health insurance, under my proposal everyone in work would subscribe to a private health insurance scheme, everyone in work would insure themselves against redundancy and unemployment thus reducing the burden of the welfare state.

 

I am not anti Europe, I am pro Common Market, the basis in which we entered the EC in the first place, I want to see the EU as one big trading zone with little regulation and no centralised interference, I am pro common market as a free trade area, I am totally opposed to Brussels having anything to do with our military, policing, interest rates, working hours etc etc

 

 

We actually signed the Treaty of Rome mate.... And that wasn't just about markets....

 

And do you think the likes of France are any less "nationalist" than we are...? If anything the French are probably even more Nationalistic than we are... Has France lost its national identity by being part of the EU or the Euro..? No, it hasn't....

 

Why so afraid of a single, unified EU army..? I know why the Americans wouldn't want it, it would actually challenge their supposed "superiority" if the whole of Europe spoke with a single, unified military voice, heck, we might even say NO to them every once in a while, cant have that, can we....? :rolleyes:

but as someone who pays private health insurance already why should I pay national insurance on top of that ?

 

:lol: Oh my GOD, you HAVE to be a wind-up merchant!

 

If you don't like paying for private healthcare and funding the NHS, then there's a very simple solution: stop paying for private healthcare. And if you think the NHS isn't good enough, then support tax rises to improve it, rather than supporting the Coalition's agenda of slashing the state, NHS included.

Edited August 11, 201014 yr by Danny

We actually signed the Treaty of Rome mate.... And that wasn't just about markets....

 

And do you think the likes of France are any less "nationalist" than we are...? If anything the French are probably even more Nationalistic than we are... Has France lost its national identity by being part of the EU or the Euro..? No, it hasn't....

 

Why so afraid of a single, unified EU army..? I know why the Americans wouldn't want it, it would actually challenge their supposed "superiority" if the whole of Europe spoke with a single, unified military voice, heck, we might even say NO to them every once in a while, cant have that, can we....? :rolleyes:

 

I am against the use of the UK army for anything other than defending this country domestically, we should not be the worlds policeman it is not our responsibility, I would not accept EU control over the army, American control, any control, I would purely have the army as a domestic force and maybe helping the police for example controlling riots and demonstrations etc but the army should be British controlled and deal only on British soil.

:lol: Oh my GOD, you HAVE to be a wind-up merchant!

 

If you don't like paying for private healthcare and funding the NHS, then there's a very simple solution: stop paying for private healthcare. And if you think the NHS isn't good enough, then support tax rises to improve it, rather than supporting the Coalition's agenda of slashing the state, NHS included.

 

I don't for a second believe that NI is going directly to the NHS, it is going into central government coffers to spend on things like illegal wars.

 

With my proposal the money people will be paying out will be going directly towards healthcare

but as someone who pays private health insurance already why should I pay national insurance on top of that ?

 

Well, you're a mug, aren't you....? :lol: Instead of paying that Private Health insurance, perhaps all you "rich folks" should be insisting on a better funded NHS which will be available to all.... Look at Cuba, in terms of public health, they are amongst the best on the planet, they export doctors and nurses all over the world to disaster zones, drug treatments which cost a fortune in the US cost pennies in Cuba..... When you privatise healthcare, this is when people stop getting the treatment they need (eg, the HMOs) and drug treatments start costing a fortune and people get priced out....

 

Privatised Healthcare is probably the biggest scam on the planet IMO....