I notice that the lefties/liberals have kept very quiet about the MASSIVE fall in unemployment with over 50,000 off the dole queue, just about the single biggest fall since records began and a further sign after the 1.2% growth that the private sector is booming.

 

But hey doesn't suit your agendas of talking Britain down ;)

 

This is because a lot of people are taking part-time jobs and so are removed from the jobless list! Part time can mean as little as 2 hours - you're still removed from the register.

 

Norma

 

This is because a lot of people are taking part-time jobs and so are removed from the jobless list! Part time can mean as little as 2 hours - you're still removed from the register.

 

Norma

 

It still means they are earning as opposed to sponging though.

 

Even if it is part time it is good to see some of the unemployed getting off their backsides and doing something positive

It still means they are earning as opposed to sponging though.

 

Even if it is part time it is good to see some of the unemployed getting off their backsides and doing something positive

 

But it distorts the statistics slightly, which makes your first point largely irrelevant...

But it distorts the statistics slightly, which makes your first point largely irrelevant...

 

Disagree, a job is a job, should not be sneered at just because it is part time

There may be a recession threat but at least their sorting the benefit cheats out eh? My mum has had all of her money stopped even though she's been signed off work for 8 months and every doctor and physio she's seen has said she's not fit for work. But she can stand up and pick up a cup so actually, she is fit to work. GOOD ONE DAVE

There may be a recession threat but at least their sorting the benefit cheats out eh? My mum has had all of her money stopped even though she's been signed off work for 8 months and every doctor and physio she's seen has said she's not fit for work. But she can stand up and pick up a cup so actually, she is fit to work. GOOD ONE DAVE

 

If there were not so many people fiddling the sytem then genuine cases would not be tarred with the same brush, my opinion is that at least 1/2 on incapacity benefit are trying it on and that 90% of claimants are capable of some form of work so genuine cases get inconvenienced because of the chancers.

 

Presumably your mum will be moved to Job Seekers Allowance though as opposed to losing all money though ?

 

My personal opinion is that anyone who is not a full blown re**** or quadraplegic is capable of some sort of work.

 

I read every day cases of people being put on incapacity benefit because they have bad legs or a bad back for example but why can't someone with bad legs do a computer job for instance ? same as someone in a wheelchair, why can't they do a home based computer job for example ?

Edited August 14, 201014 yr by I ❤ JustinBieber

It still means they are earning as opposed to sponging though.

 

Even if it is part time it is good to see some of the unemployed getting off their backsides and doing something positive

 

Part-Time work is of no use to a single person or someone who had been the main breadwinner up until the point they were made redundant... Govts love to get people working Part-Time.. Know why? Because Part-Time or Agency workers have less rights than the full-time Employed.... -_-

 

Add to this the p!ss-poor "minimum wage", and you're still gonna have a case of people needing top-up benefits of some kind because you cant live on Part-Time wages in a city like London....

 

Part-Time work is really only of any use for Students (who cant really do anything other than P/T), single parents who would have to drop off or pick up kids from school, or spouses/partners earning extra money when there's already a main breadwinner.....

I read every day cases of people being put on incapacity benefit because they have bad legs or a bad back for example but why can't someone with bad legs do a computer job for instance ? same as someone in a wheelchair, why can't they do a home based computer job for example ?

 

If you think someone can realistically work with a condition like Sciatica then frankly you're a bloody moron.... <_< My mum had to give up her work because of that condition, she was in constant fukkin' agony... You seriously have no fukkin' clue what you're talking about sometimes.....

If there were not so many people fiddling the sytem then genuine cases would not be tarred with the same brush, my opinion is that at least 1/2 on incapacity benefit are trying it on and that 90% of claimants are capable of some form of work so genuine cases get inconvenienced because of the chancers.

 

Presumably your mum will be moved to Job Seekers Allowance though as opposed to losing all money though ?

She's still employed, she;s just been signed off for 8 months now so if I remember correctly she was only on basic SSP. However now the Government have decided she's fit for work, which with a bad back, she probably is, but not the job she's employed to do. I'm sure she could do office based work, but the chances of her getting any are quite slim given that for her entire life she's worked in retail, and she's been off work for the last 8 months.

 

She had an interview with the job centre yesterday and she'll be able to get it all back and appeal, but it's just a complete waste of time and resources anyway, I thought that David Cameron wanted to reduce waste. As far as I'm concerned, if the doctor signs you off, you aren't fit for work. Whether you're lying to the doctor is another thing, it's hard to prove.

 

 

She's still employed, she;s just been signed off for 8 months now so if I remember correctly she was only on basic SSP. However now the Government have decided she's fit for work, which with a bad back, she probably is, but not the job she's employed to do. I'm sure she could do office based work, but the chances of her getting any are quite slim given that for her entire life she's worked in retail, and she's been off work for the last 8 months.

 

She had an interview with the job centre yesterday and she'll be able to get it all back and appeal, but it's just a complete waste of time and resources anyway, I thought that David Cameron wanted to reduce waste. As far as I'm concerned, if the doctor signs you off, you aren't fit for work. Whether you're lying to the doctor is another thing, it's hard to prove.

 

Exactly, other factors which would probably make it difficult would be age and also qualifications I'd imagine (I dunno what qualifications your mum has, but most office work seems to be graduates these days).. Likely she'd have to go back to university and maybe do business management for three years or summat... Still, if she was a mature student, that'd get her off the jobless statistics too wouldn't it...? -_-

 

If you think someone can realistically work with a condition like Sciatica then frankly you're a bloody moron.... <_< My mum had to give up her work because of that condition, she was in constant fukkin' agony... You seriously have no fukkin' clue what you're talking about sometimes.....

 

You are what ? 37/38 something like that, so I would guess your mum is late 50's or 60's so she is not the type of person I am talking about.

 

Surgery can be done for sciatica that post surgery can lead to someone leading a normal life, my aunt had an op to reconstruct the area that was putting pressure on the sciatic nerve and leads a very active life now and she is 72 so someone say 40's or 50's could easily have an op for sciatica and then do a job that does not involve heavy lifting etc, an admin role or something.

 

I still maintain that there is some type of work available for most types of people, sure someone who has back or leg problems couldn't work on a building site or be a landscape gardener but there is no reason why most on incapacity benefit couldn't do an admin job or a PC based job

 

 

She's still employed, she;s just been signed off for 8 months now so if I remember correctly she was only on basic SSP. However now the Government have decided she's fit for work, which with a bad back, she probably is, but not the job she's employed to do. I'm sure she could do office based work, but the chances of her getting any are quite slim given that for her entire life she's worked in retail, and she's been off work for the last 8 months.

 

She had an interview with the job centre yesterday and she'll be able to get it all back and appeal, but it's just a complete waste of time and resources anyway, I thought that David Cameron wanted to reduce waste. As far as I'm concerned, if the doctor signs you off, you aren't fit for work. Whether you're lying to the doctor is another thing, it's hard to prove.

 

There is the problem in a nutshell, so many people are lying to their doctors so that they can get signed off JSA and onto incapacity benefit which only requires a medical note a year or something and they don't have to look for work.

 

There are so many that fake or exaggerate back problems, leg problems, addictions, depression etc that tougher laws have had to be bought in, sadly some genuine cases will lose out but the blame should be with the liars and cheats that have bought everyone under suspicion in the first place

Despite what the Scum, Heil and Von Ryan's Express claim ... the percentage of these 'benefits cheats' is miniscule ... and certainly a lot less than high-earning wizzos who find tax loop-holes ... in some cases paying less tax than their 'minimum wage' cleaners!

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article....mp;in_page_id=2

 

Norma

Despite what the Scum, Heil and Von Ryan's Express claim ... the percentage of these 'benefits cheats' is miniscule ... and certainly a lot less than high-earning wizzos who find tax loop-holes ... in some cases paying less tax than their 'minimum wage' cleaners!

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article....mp;in_page_id=2

 

Norma

 

What is happening there is totally legal though, whether it should be is another argument but the fact is that it is legal, benefit fraud/claiming benefits you should not really be entitled to is obtaining money by deception which is a criminal offence

 

Can't compare the 2

Despite what the Scum, Heil and Von Ryan's Express claim ... the percentage of these 'benefits cheats' is miniscule ... and certainly a lot less than high-earning wizzos who find tax loop-holes ... in some cases paying less tax than their 'minimum wage' cleaners!

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article....mp;in_page_id=2

 

Norma

 

On top of that these hedge fund managers are buying companies that are employing thousands of people, thousands who would otherwise be a burden on the taxpayer.

 

We should be grateful to these types as they are putting people in work

 

The left love sneering at the likes of Branson, Sugar, Green etc, sure none of them pay much in the way of tax but they are employing between them 350,000 people in this country who are off the dole queue as a result of their efforts so I am not too fussed about them not paying full whack tax wise

Is your mum going to appeal Rabbitfurcoat?

Edited August 14, 201014 yr by Common Sense

Well of course, given that she's deemed unfit for work!

I've heard about a guy with ME being declared fit now but he's going to appeal. That's a very difficult illness to diagnose as it's just a severe tiredness and lethargy which prevents you doing anything. In fact some Dr's still don't believe it exists really. He was declared fit by DWP Dr's twice before but won his appeal both times.

Edited August 14, 201014 yr by Common Sense

There is the problem in a nutshell, so many people are lying to their doctors so that they can get signed off JSA and onto incapacity benefit which only requires a medical note a year or something and they don't have to look for work.

 

Actually after being on many years you don't even need a note every year! I was told in the mid-90's that I didn't have to send in any more Dr's notes. You just attend DWP medical interviews every two years. So it's taken out of the GP's hands.

Edited August 14, 201014 yr by Common Sense

On top of that these hedge fund managers are buying companies that are employing thousands of people, thousands who would otherwise be a burden on the taxpayer.

 

We should be grateful to these types as they are putting people in work

 

The left love sneering at the likes of Branson, Sugar, Green etc, sure none of them pay much in the way of tax but they are employing between them 350,000 people in this country who are off the dole queue as a result of their efforts so I am not too fussed about them not paying full whack tax wise

 

I don't care how many people they employ, it's not an excuse when their employees don't have the luxury of fiddling their accounts to avoid paying tax or put money into offshore accounts, the average worker is taxed at source... Can't stand these rich c**ts taking the p*** anymore than I can stand chav and pikey dole fiddlers, between them they cost the working classes billions......