Posted August 11, 201014 yr The economy under Labour was recovering when they went. Cameron's privatisation and old world political ideals are failing and we need the Labour party back post haste. It's up to Nick Clegg to force another election and let's have another election which would hopefully see Labour return to power or at the very least Clegg could reverse his mistake in siding with the devil. Cameron has embarrassed us on a global scale and his plans are terrifying for the country and the economy. :puke2:
August 11, 201014 yr The economy under Labour was recovering when they went. Cameron's privatisation and old world political ideals are failing and we need the Labour party back post haste. It's up to Nick Clegg to force another election and let's have another election which would hopefully see Labour return to power or at the very least Clegg could reverse his mistake in siding with the devil. Cameron has embarrassed us on a global scale and his plans are terrifying for the country and the economy. :puke2: Like labour and the lib dems could afford another election :rofl: :rofl: both parties are SKINT, the Tories are bankrolled by Ashcroft. Clegg getting an election would be like a Bernard Matthews turkey voting for Xmas
August 11, 201014 yr Author Like labour and the lib dems could afford another election :rofl: :rofl: both parties are SKINT, the Tories are bankrolled by Ashcroft. Clegg getting an election would be like a Bernard Matthews turkey voting for Xmas Okay so we'll just let the country collapse then and sod the poor, right Justin? <_<
August 11, 201014 yr Unfortunately he's right. Plus, it would make sense to wait until Labour have a leader first. Wait until we're back in recession and a March/May election next year will be the stuff Labour dreams are made of.
August 11, 201014 yr Okay so we'll just let the country collapse then and sod the poor, right Justin? <_< Well the poor hardly did well under labour with the scrapping of the 10p tax rate for example
August 11, 201014 yr We need "Nu Labor" back like a hole in the head frankly, but, the ConDems have absolutely failed and betrayed the ordinary workers of this country, yes.... I think it's time to call a Revolution personally tbh....
August 11, 201014 yr We need "Nu Labor" back like a hole in the head frankly, but, the ConDems have absolutely failed and betrayed the ordinary workers of this country, yes.... I think it's time to call a Revolution personally tbh.... They have been in power not even 3 months, bit early to judge them Wipe out the debt they will be heroes, fukk it up they will be out of power till I am entitled to a free bus pass, only time will tell Edited August 11, 201014 yr by I ❤ JustinBieber
August 11, 201014 yr Well the poor hardly did well under labour with the scrapping of the 10p tax rate for example the tax band they created when times were good... a much better rate then anything the tories did, even if it was for a few years.
August 11, 201014 yr The scrapping of the 10p tax is almost universally agreed within Labour to have been a massive mistake - frankly, it says something when even Mandelson's against it :lol:
August 11, 201014 yr the tax band they created when times were good... a much better rate then anything the tories did, even if it was for a few years. Labour didn't care about the poor though, all they cared about was Notting Hill and Islington luvvies, giving Bush tongue based colonic irrigation and big business, New Labour didn't care about the poor
August 11, 201014 yr the tax band they created when times were good... a much better rate then anything the tories did, even if it was for a few years. The 10p tax rate could've still been afforded if the loopholes which allow large companies to avoid paying tax had been closed, and it would've left Cameron to take the flak had he gotten rid of it ... The Corp and Capital Gains tax avoidance of the likes of Tesco and the Barclay Brothers has cost the country billions, so we shouldn't make out that Nu Labor in just allowing that state of affairs to continue, not to mention failing to properly regulate the banks and The City, were any less of a bunch of traitors to the workers than the ConDems are....
August 11, 201014 yr Labour didn't care about the poor though, all they cared about was Notting Hill and Islington luvvies, giving Bush tongue based colonic irrigation and big business, New Labour didn't care about the poor Introducing a minimum wage and tax credits hardly strikes me as 'not caring about the poor'. I take your point that they didn't care quite as much as I'd like, but we must be wary of falling into revisionism given that New Labour DID enforce several measures which made life a lot better for the poorer. Even if they could've gone further...
August 11, 201014 yr Labour didn't care about the poor though, all they cared about was Notting Hill and Islington luvvies, giving Bush tongue based colonic irrigation and big business, New Labour didn't care about the poor And Cameron and Co DO I suppose....? Prat.... Notting Hill, hmm, isn't that where Posh Boy Cameron lives....? :rolleyes:
August 11, 201014 yr Introducing a minimum wage and tax credits hardly strikes me as 'not caring about the poor'. I take your point that they didn't care quite as much as I'd like, but we must be wary of falling into revisionism given that New Labour DID enforce several measures which made life a lot better for the poorer. Even if they could've gone further... The minimum wage is staying though as are tax credits although I admit I haven't done any research as to the latter
August 11, 201014 yr And Cameron and Co DO I suppose....? Prat.... Notting Hill, hmm, isn't that where Posh Boy Cameron lives....? :rolleyes: Labour have always been the party of the working class and the Tories have always been the party of the rich, Labour totally betrayed their roots whereas the Tories have never pretended to be the champions of the working class
August 11, 201014 yr Like labour and the lib dems could afford another election :rofl: :rofl: both parties are SKINT, the Tories are bankrolled by Ashcroft. So in effect ... you're saying that the wealthiest party should win an election ... no matter what they do. I suppose you're right actually. Norma
August 11, 201014 yr Introducing a minimum wage and tax credits hardly strikes me as 'not caring about the poor'. I take your point that they didn't care quite as much as I'd like, but we must be wary of falling into revisionism given that New Labour DID enforce several measures which made life a lot better for the poorer. Even if they could've gone further... They may have introduced a "mimimal wage" (as I call it), but it's a joke, and it doesn't measure up to other minimum wage policies in the EU... All it's really done is to ensure that large companies continue to pay a pretty sh"t wage to their employees and get away with it because they are complying with the letter of the law... Couple that with the cost of living in places like London, the South East, and other major cities such as Manchester and Edinburgh, and it's an even bigger joke... It's not even properly enforced, I could take you to businesses in London which pay immigrant workers lower than minimum wage....
August 11, 201014 yr Like labour and the lib dems could afford another election :rofl: :rofl: both parties are SKINT, the Tories are bankrolled by Ashcroft. You keep quoting that as if it's a good thing. In a democracy it is surely a very bad thing that one party is being bankrolled by a single individual while the other parties are skint. They have been in power not even 3 months, bit early to judge them That's not what you said in another thread. The person who started the thread is right about Cameron being an embarrassment though. Only in the last few weeks he has said that we were junior partners to the Americans before they even entered WWII and that Iran has nuclear weapons.
August 11, 201014 yr You keep quoting that as if it's a good thing. In a democracy it is surely a very bad thing that one party is being bankrolled by a single individual while the other parties are skint. That's not what you said in another thread. The person who started the thread is right about Cameron being an embarrassment though. Only in the last few weeks he has said that we were junior partners to the Americans before they even entered WWII and that Iran has nuclear weapons. Absolutely correct on the Lord Ashcroft thing.. The fact the the Tories are being bankrolled by a crooked, tax-evading, Non-Dom piece of sh"te like "Lord" Ashcroft, frankly says everything any sensible person needs to know about the CON-servatives... The clue is the name really.... :rolleyes: Frankly, Ashcroft makes Mandelson look legit..... Did Cameron really say that about Iran...? I mean, really, what a total SPAZZ, as if the comments about WW2 weren't stupid enough.... To think I actually compared him to Blair at one point, at least B-Liar came up with bollocks that sounded plausible, and didn't involve insulting an entire generation of people who fought to preserve this country against Hitler....
August 11, 201014 yr Unfortunately he's right. Plus, it would make sense to wait until Labour have a leader first. Wait until we're back in recession and a March/May election next year will be the stuff Labour dreams are made of. Agreed - it's too soon for another election as the public haven't yet seen the disastrous effect the Tories will have on the economy, so they might scrape a majority if another election were called now, which would give them unchecked power to wreck the country for a full 5 years - a horrifying prospect. Better to save it until next year - although I do think there's a chance of the Lib Dem members causing some serious disruption at the conference in September, and by the sound of reports, it seems a matter of time before Cable walks out of the Coalition. Still, even if the Lib Dems withdraw soon, I think Labour and the Libs would be well-advised to wait until next year to bring the govt down through a motion of no-confidence. They may have introduced a "mimimal wage" (as I call it), but it's a joke, and it doesn't measure up to other minimum wage policies in the EU... All it's really done is to ensure that large companies continue to pay a pretty sh"t wage to their employees and get away with it because they are complying with the letter of the law... Couple that with the cost of living in places like London, the South East, and other major cities such as Manchester and Edinburgh, and it's an even bigger joke... It's not even properly enforced, I could take you to businesses in London which pay immigrant workers lower than minimum wage.... Labour gave essential help to the poorest with measures like the minimum wage, tax credits, improvements to health and education and help for single mothers - most of which the Tories bitterly opposed and much of which they're trying to roll back now. But you're right that Labour didn't do enough - which is why it's essential they don't elect the Blairite David Miliband, who would keep the party in the ridiculous safe zone they've established, too timid to make the wealthiest pay for the crisis they created. Ed Miliband as leader with Ed Balls as Shadow Chancellor and Diane Abbott having a position in the Shadow Cabinet (perhaps Work/Pensions Secretary) sounds good to me.
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