Really? Because I'd say the vast majority of people care if there's a recession or not, or whether their benefits/budgets get cut or not.

 

People by and large have more intelligence than they are credited for

 

They know the country is being strangled by a crippling debt and that tough action is needed to make it happen

 

The alternative to spending cuts would have been sharp income tax rises which would be even less popular and would kill the High St stone dead

There's no Ulster Unionist MPs in Parliament. The one who used to be part of that party left and was re-elected as an independent, in specific protest against the party's pact with the Tories. There is the DUP who traditionally are allied with the Tories, but they've spoken of their anger at Cameron's pact with their rival Ulster Unionists, and have been heavily critical of the cuts. They would demand no cuts at all for Northern Ireland if they were to join up with them - and even then, that would still leave Cameron 11 short of a majority, and that's not even taking into account the very real possibility of Tory backbenchers voting against the government on key issues.

 

Maybe so but I really see no situation in which the opposition and I include the Lib Dems here would attempt to bring down the government, they simply can't afford to financially so even without help from the unionists a minority conservative government would see out its 5 year term

People by and large have more intelligence than they are credited for

 

They know the country is being strangled by a crippling debt and that tough action is needed to make it happen

 

The alternative to spending cuts would have been sharp income tax rises which would be even less popular and would kill the High St stone dead

 

An opinion poll last year showed 80% of British people were in favour of much higher taxes on the wealthiest at the benefit of the poorest. In fact, around 50% of people supported, in principle, the idea of capping a person's income at £135,000 per year. The population is a lot more left-wing on economic issues than a lot of commentators realise.

 

Maybe so but I really see no situation in which the opposition and I include the Lib Dems here would attempt to bring down the government, they simply can't afford to financially so even without help from the unionists a minority conservative government would see out its 5 year term

 

Dream on. I admit they wouldn't probably bring down the government now, but after the local elections next year, when Labour probably come a clear first and the Lib Dems get trashed, and when Labour's coffers will be a bit fuller, I think they may well go for it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Lib-Lab electoral pact (provided the Lib Dems force Clegg out), to help them both.

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An opinion poll last year showed 80% of British people were in favour of much higher taxes on the wealthiest at the benefit of the poorest. In fact, around 50% of people supported, in principle, the idea of capping a person's income at £135,000 per year. The population is a lot more left-wing on economic issues than a lot of commentators realise.

 

Those that are in favour of capping income at 135k have no grasp of business realities

 

If 135k cap came in then the rush to the airports would paralyse the M25 as surgeons, scientists, FTSE100 CEO's, IT directors of large companies, lawyers, entrepreneurs and many others on over 135k a year rushed to emigrate.

 

It would lead to a brain drain that would set the UK back a generation.

 

IMHO high earners should pay less tax, as well as giving them more money to spend it also encourages people to become a high earner by starting their own business.

 

 

Dream on. I admit they wouldn't probably bring down the government now, but after the local elections next year, when Labour probably come a clear first and the Lib Dems get trashed, and when Labour's coffers will be a bit fuller, I think they may well go for it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Lib-Lab electoral pact (provided the Lib Dems force Clegg out), to help them both.

 

Won't happen

 

Seemingly David Milliband is going to be the next Labour leader, he does not have the charisma to connect with the public like say Blair did, I am not convinced that Milliband intelligent guy though he is would rally the people behind him, he does not have the charisma that Cameron has.

 

 

Those that are in favour of capping income at 135k have no grasp of business realities

 

If 135k cap came in then the rush to the airports would paralyse the M25 as surgeons, scientists, FTSE100 CEO's, IT directors of large companies, lawyers, entrepreneurs and many others on over 135k a year rushed to emigrate.

 

It would lead to a brain drain that would set the UK back a generation.

 

IMHO high earners should pay less tax, as well as giving them more money to spend it also encourages people to become a high earner by starting their own business.

In principle they support it, not necessarily in practice. In any case, as we repeat time and time again - tax taken off the highest earners almost always tends to be saved rather than spent, so it's a false illusion. I don't know anyone who's put off being a higher earner by the fact that they'd have to pay 10% more tax as a proportion of their income, as the fact that they're earning more more than evens it out - isn't that roughly the same principle as your beloved 'trickle-down economics', that it doesn't matter if inequalities are larger so long as the poor are earning more in real terms? Funny how it doesn't quite work out the other way around for you.

 

Won't happen

 

Seemingly David Milliband is going to be the next Labour leader, he does not have the charisma to connect with the public like say Blair did, I am not convinced that Milliband intelligent guy though he is would rally the people behind him, he does not have the charisma that Cameron has.

David OR Ed could easily lead to a landslide for Labour next year (were there an election) - David's far more charismatic than he's given credit for (albeit not quite as much as Blair), but if Labour could get 258 seats under Brown, supposedly their biggest electoral albatross, I don't see why David couldn't get a Labour landslide when the cuts start biting hard.

In principle they support it, not necessarily in practice. In any case, as we repeat time and time again - tax taken off the highest earners almost always tends to be saved rather than spent, so it's a false illusion. I don't know anyone who's put off being a higher earner by the fact that they'd have to pay 10% more tax as a proportion of their income, as the fact that they're earning more more than evens it out - isn't that roughly the same principle as your beloved 'trickle-down economics', that it doesn't matter if inequalities are larger so long as the poor are earning more in real terms? Funny how it doesn't quite work out the other way around for you.

David OR Ed could easily lead to a landslide for Labour next year (were there an election) - David's far more charismatic than he's given credit for (albeit not quite as much as Blair), but if Labour could get 258 seats under Brown, supposedly their biggest electoral albatross, I don't see why David couldn't get a Labour landslide when the cuts start biting hard.

 

I don't necessarily subscribe to the "trickle down economics" way of things, it worked for Reagan and he is revered in America, one of the most popular presidents ever but I don't necessarily subscribe to it.

 

What I want to see is the return of the enterprise culture in this country, a "can do" society, I want to see the poor go start their own business and break free from poverty and the best way to do that is to have a low level of taxation so that entrepreneurs feel it is worth the effort taxation wise.

 

Someone starting a business has to work probably 15 hrs a day 6 or 7 days a week to really make it work, if they are going to lose 40% or more of what they work for then I can see why many would not feel starting up in business is worth it. If they were going to pay 20% then it becomes a whole different ballgame.

 

I pay top rate tax although am not massively over the threshold and while it doesn't demotivate me it does disillusion me knowing it is going to be Wednesday afternoon before I start earning for myself

What are all these businesses you expect the two million unemployed to set up going to do?

What are all these businesses you expect the two million unemployed to set up going to do?

 

I am not talking about the unemployed as such am talking about the general poor, you also have a lot of professionals who are unemployed too as opposed to just career scroungers and ex binmen.

 

A professional who is unemployed like for example an accountant why can't he set up a freelance accountancy business ? someone who lost their job in IT should set up their own IT consultancy, someone who is working for a building company can set up his own building company or a plasterer/plumber/handyman can set up a business in those areas, people can set up eBay shops to sell stuff if they have the nous to find wholesalers, there are plenty of opportunities out there for people to set up on their own, unemployed or poorly paid tradesman

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What are all these businesses you expect the two million unemployed to set up going to do?

 

Will give you an example too

 

The wife of a friend of mine, she set up a business selling linen and similar products imported from Pakistan, she imported them and sold them on eBay for a premium, last year she made a PROFIT of £240,000 out of selling on eBay, this was a bored housewife so there is no reason why an unemployed person could not set up in business as an eBay trader, all you need is a PC, internet connection and contacts with a few suppliers of what you want to sell.

Won't happen

 

Seemingly David Milliband is going to be the next Labour leader, he does not have the charisma to connect with the public like say Blair did, I am not convinced that Milliband intelligent guy though he is would rally the people behind him, he does not have the charisma that Cameron has.

 

I actually don't think Labour will get a Blair-style landslide, because I have a feeling the South will rally very strongly for the Tories. But Scotland, Wales and northern England will get behind Labour like never before and, crucially, I think the Midlands will swing back to Labour (as it has a very high rate of public-sector employment) which will decide the election, giving Labour a relatively comfortable majority.

 

And for the record, Ed Miliband is far more charismatic and superficially "likeable" than David, and I do think Ed would be a better bet for them in terms of elections - and frankly, my money is still on him to win the leadership race.

 

 

all you need is a PC, internet connection and contacts with a few suppliers of what you want to sell.

 

This being something most poor people don't have. Plus I'm guessing you "forgot" to mention that this woman had a wealthy husband who helped her start up her business - a luxury most poor people don't have, meaning they'd have to get huge start-up loans from banks, with no guarantee that they'd ever be able to pay it back, leaving a massive risk of another credit crunch. Ingenius.

I actually don't think Labour will get a Blair-style landslide, because I have a feeling the South will rally very strongly for the Tories. But Scotland, Wales and northern England will get behind Labour like never before and, crucially, I think the Midlands will swing back to Labour (as it has a very high rate of public-sector employment) which will decide the election, giving Labour a relatively comfortable majority.

 

And for the record, Ed Miliband is far more charismatic and superficially "likeable" than David, and I do think Ed would be a better bet for them in terms of elections - and frankly, my money is still on him to win the leadership race.

This being something most poor people don't have. Plus I'm guessing you "forgot" to mention that this woman had a wealthy husband who helped her start up her business - a luxury most poor people don't have, meaning they'd have to get huge start-up loans from banks, with no guarantee that they'd ever be able to pay it back, leaving a massive risk of another credit crunch. Ingenius.

 

He owns a business repairing PC's yes so his company is pretty successful but I used her as an example although I am not of course advocating that people import stuff from abroad with stock costs etc

 

It would be quite easy to speak to UK wholesalers and not have any stock outlay so have arrangements with them that when the buyer has ordered off you and paid you via Paypal you order the stock from the wholesaler and ship it, it is a common arrangement in terms of eBay sellers so the start up costs in that situation are minimal.

 

I agree about Ed Milliband being more able to connect with the public than David, I fear Ed more than I do David.

 

 

I am not talking about the unemployed as such am talking about the general poor, you also have a lot of professionals who are unemployed too as opposed to just career scroungers and ex binmen.

 

A professional who is unemployed like for example an accountant why can't he set up a freelance accountancy business ? someone who lost their job in IT should set up their own IT consultancy, someone who is working for a building company can set up his own building company or a plasterer/plumber/handyman can set up a business in those areas, people can set up eBay shops to sell stuff if they have the nous to find wholesalers, there are plenty of opportunities out there for people to set up on their own, unemployed or poorly paid tradesman

I became an IT consultant when I was made redundant. However, that didn't involve any start up costs. As for setting up a building company, yeah that would really work when building projects are being cancelled left right and centre.

I became an IT consultant when I was made redundant. However, that didn't involve any start up costs. As for setting up a building company, yeah that would really work when building projects are being cancelled left right and centre.

 

Did you read the articles that accompanied the growth figures ?

 

They stated that the construction market is absolutely booming

Did you read the articles that accompanied the growth figures ?

 

They stated that the construction market is absolutely booming

Sounds great if true. Can you provide a link?

 

Sure :)

 

http://business.scotsman.com/business/New-...jump.6475096.jp

 

Revised figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) yesterday revealed the strongest jump in output from the UK construction sector since the second quarter of 1963.

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Sure :)

 

http://business.scotsman.com/business/New-...jump.6475096.jp

 

Revised figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) yesterday revealed the strongest jump in output from the UK construction sector since the second quarter of 1963.

Thanks.

 

Here is the original document http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/oec0810.pdf

Figures of 24,649 for Q2 of 2010 are below 25,513 of Q2 in 2004 and after adjusting for inflation, current figure is 24% below 2004.

Figures of 24,649 for Q2 of 2010 are below 25,513 of Q2 in 2004 and after adjusting for inflation, current figure is 24% below 2004.

 

Even if it was from a low base thanks to Labour the growth is still the highest in 47 years thanks to conservatives so the future looks rosy.

 

The lefties will say that the construction market will go into freefall thanks to cancelling government projects but at the end of the day it is private sector projects that will power the market.

 

 

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