I guarantee Labour will be given their first lead in 3 years by Friday at the latest.

I guarantee Labour will be given their first lead in 3 years by Friday at the latest.

As they are bound to get a boost from Conference coverage and they are currently neck and neck with the Tories it would be a big surprise if they were not ahead by the end of the week.

For about 3 days yes, Cameron is the greatest UK political orator of his generation so his speech will be far better than Miliband's so when Cameron makes his speech we will regain the lead again

For about 3 days yes, Cameron is the greatest UK political orator of his generation so his speech will be far better than Miliband's so when Cameron makes his speech we will regain the lead again

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For about 3 days yes, Cameron is the greatest UK political orator of his generation so his speech will be far better than Miliband's so when Cameron makes his speech we will regain the lead again

Oh GOD :rofl: He's not even the greatest orator in his own party, no matter how many panegyrics you give over a speech that, er, announced that the Conservatives hadn't won the election and that they wanted to talk to the Lib Dems.

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In terms of Tories the only one I can remember in the last 20 years that is as good at speech making as Cameron is Heseltine, I admit Heseltine is a bit better than Cameron but Cameron is a great speech maker

For about 3 days yes, Cameron is the greatest UK political orator of his generation so his speech will be far better than Miliband's so when Cameron makes his speech we will regain the lead again

 

Cameron is an OK-ish orator, but it's not exactly like a conference speech about how there's going to be huge cuts is going to be inspiring. Ed will be more than capable of holding his own against Cameron and Clegg in election debates (though I highly doubt the latter will be involved).

In terms of Tories the only one I can remember in the last 20 years that is as good at speech making as Cameron is Heseltine, I admit Heseltine is a bit better than Cameron but Cameron is a great speech maker

Hello, Hague?!

Are we including Blair in the same generation? Had he been in charge this year, I doubt the debates would have taken place. Cameron would have been quaking in his boots.

It's happened: Labour have taken their first lead in an opinion poll since October 2007, with YouGov tonight putting them on 40%, ahead of the Tories on 39% and the Lib Dems on 12%. This, of course, is after Labour selected the extremist Marxist who never has a chance of winning an election. Methinks the Tory papers who've been so jubilant will be laughing on the other side of their face pretty soon.

It's not going to last. Ed will get a lead of a couple of percent, but the Tory conference will put Cameron back into a slim lead I reckon, before the spending review has Ed go back into pole position...

I don't know... we saw from the Lib Dem conference boost (or rather, lack of it) that a sobering message doesn't really translate to the polls. I think Labour will have a lead of about 4 points by the end of the week, and will still have 1-2 point lead by the end of the conference season.

Dead cat bounce as the saying goes

Dead cat bounce as the saying goes

 

Um... no. A dead cat bounce would be going from their low of about 22% about a year and a half ago to about 25%. Surging to 40% to go to first place doesn't fit "dead cat bounce" atall.

Um... no. A dead cat bounce would be going from their low of about 22% about a year and a half ago to about 25%. Surging to 40% to go to first place doesn't fit "dead cat bounce" atall.

 

Indeed in the literal sense but like I said I believe that Labour is now unelectable having chosen Ed, his appointment will for sure win Cameron the next election IMHO

 

Ed might get a temporary boost but when reality hits of the damage the unions can cause to Britain and his tax policies Labour is heading for the electoral wilderness under him

Indeed in the literal sense but like I said I believe that Labour is now unelectable having chosen Ed, his appointment will for sure win Cameron the next election IMHO

 

:lol: You'd think you'd have learnt by now not to make unequivocal predictions given your pitiful track record. If Ed was fundamentally unelectable, it would already be showing up in the polls. Don't get me wrong, there MAY be other factors that mean Labour don't win the next election (although I personally still make them the huge favourites), but clearly no-one apart from hardcore Tory voters care about the fact he relied on union support to win as, if they did, it would already be showing up in the polls in the form of Labour falling back a few points, instead of increasing. It shows the "Red Ed" tag is never going to reap rewards, so the Tory press had better find another line of attack.

:lol: You'd think you'd have learnt by now not to make unequivocal predictions given your pitiful track record. If Ed was fundamentally unelectable, it would already be showing up in the polls. Don't get me wrong, there MAY be other factors that mean Labour don't win the next election (although I personally still make them the huge favourites), but clearly no-one apart from hardcore Tory voters care about the fact he relied on union support to win as, if they did, it would already be showing up in the polls in the form of Labour falling back a few points, instead of increasing. It shows the "Red Ed" tag is never going to reap rewards, so the Tory press had better find another line of attack.

 

Not sure what that line of attack can be... must be precisely what Cameron's thinking as well. Saw David M speak yesterday and he really does need to be in the shadow cabinet. Him and Balls are Labour's most dangerous weapons.

:lol: You'd think you'd have learnt by now not to make unequivocal predictions given your pitiful track record. If Ed was fundamentally unelectable, it would already be showing up in the polls. Don't get me wrong, there MAY be other factors that mean Labour don't win the next election (although I personally still make them the huge favourites), but clearly no-one apart from hardcore Tory voters care about the fact he relied on union support to win as, if they did, it would already be showing up in the polls in the form of Labour falling back a few points, instead of increasing. It shows the "Red Ed" tag is never going to reap rewards, so the Tory press had better find another line of attack.

 

I don't think he is a red in the Livingstone/Benn/Scargill/Skinner sort of red, I think he is more of a moderate red probably slightly to the left of Neil Kinnock but the way he was elected was a PR disaster and it will be forever rammed down the public's throat at election time.

 

Now as the last election showed people are not as taken in by the media as in the past but enough will be to make a difference IMHO

 

Labour should have persuaded Alan Johnson to stand and elected him as leader, he was their one shot at winning the next election IMHO

 

I hardly think calling ONE thing wrong is a bad track record :lol: :unsure:

Saw David M speak yesterday and he really does need to be in the shadow cabinet. Him and Balls are Labour's most dangerous weapons.

 

Agreed. And I think Alan Johnson and Harriet Harman were criminally underused during the election campaign aswell - both of them are great communicators. Instead we just got Mandelson rammed down our throats all the time, which probably cost Labour more votes than any gained.

Agreed. And I think Alan Johnson and Harriet Harman were criminally underused during the election campaign aswell - both of them are great communicators. Instead we just got Mandelson rammed down our throats all the time, which probably cost Labour more votes than any gained.

 

Johnson was the one labour guy that IMHO had a realistic chance of either beating Cameron or at the very least giving him a much smaller majority at the next election, he is a brilliant communicator and would have been great in the PM debates, he is also a working class guy and very down to earth and much more in tune with Labour roots than a socially awkward public schoolboy geek they have chosen.