Vidcapper might be able to answer this better, but my understanding is that sales at the top end of the chart have actually increased more than the %'s quoted in the MW reports (i.e. total sales per week in 2011 vs. total sales from equivalent week in 2010), not the converse.

 

Either way I don't think you can assume every song should be expected to sell 20% more or whatever than songs released the previous year under similar circumstances just because overall singles sales have increased by that much. I can understand scaling if we were comparing 2011 to 2006 or something but I don't think the sales climate is significantly different enough this year compared to last year to bother with scaling.

Olly sold well over twice the amount of Joe? Oh dear.

 

Oh dear indeed. I think no airplay for Joe didn't help him.

Either way I don't think you can assume every song should be expected to sell 20% more or whatever than songs released the previous year under similar circumstances just because overall singles sales have increased by that much. I can understand scaling if we were comparing 2011 to 2006 or something but I don't think the sales climate is significantly different enough this year compared to last year to bother with scaling.

How can you understand scaling if :-

 

(a) we're comparing sales from 2006 vs 2011 when the volume of sales at a particular position are different in those quoted years

 

but not if

 

(b) we're comparing sales from 2010 vs 2011 when the volume of sales at a particular position are (again) different in those quoted years?!

 

:unsure:

How can you understand scaling if :-

 

(a) we're comparing sales from 2006 vs 2011 when the volume of sales at a particular position are different in those quoted years

 

but not if

 

(b) we're comparing sales from 2010 vs 2011 when the volume of sales at a particular position are (again) different in those quoted years?!

 

:unsure:

 

Because the difference between 2006 and 2011 is much more significant than the difference between 2010 and 2011.

Because the difference between 2006 and 2011 is much more significant than the difference between 2010 and 2011.

The significance is irrelevant though - the difference still exists (albeit the quantum is smaller).

Oh dear indeed. I think no airplay for Joe didn't help him.

 

 

I actually really like Joe's track and still re-play his X Factor performance of it :-)

I actually really like Joe's track and still re-play his X Factor performance of it :-)

 

Yeah I think its underated like his whole first album to be fair. Think it was just too different to what he did on the show. The general public seem to be creatures of habit. I actually quite admired that they took a risk at the time. In hindsight it was a mistake (well saleswise anyway)

The significance is irrelevant though - the difference still exists (albeit the quantum is smaller).

 

The difference exists but I don't think it's substantial enough to warrant judging Matt's relative success with Joe on a scaled level. AFAIC if Matt sells more than 53k this week (which I don't think will happen anyway) then RFYL has had a more successful first week than Ambitions. Total sales are more important anyway and I'm 99% certain RFYL will sell at least 20% more than Ambitions did in total.

 

If you want to view RFYL as a failure then you're free to do so and I may or may not agree in the coming weeks, depending on how it holds up.

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Yeah I think its underated like his whole first album to be fair. Think it was just too different to what he did on the show. The general public seem to be creatures of habit. I actually quite admired that they took a risk at the time. In hindsight it was a mistake (well saleswise anyway)

 

I've never heard any of his other tracks from the Wide Awake era but, as it's probably going cheap now, I should probably pick up a copy of the album!

I've never heard any of his other tracks from the Wide Awake era but, as it's probably going cheap now, I should probably pick up a copy of the album!

 

Amazon are selling it for 2.99 at the moment. Defintely worth a listen :) Wide Awake is a beautiful track.

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Amazon are selling it for 2.99 at the moment. Defintely worth a listen :) Wide Awake is a beautiful track.

 

Ta for the tip-off! Could you ever have imagined 10 years ago that top 10 albums would be selling for less than £3 after less than a year on release! Crazy! :-)

Ta for the tip-off! Could you ever have imagined 10 years ago that top 10 albums would be selling for less than £3 after less than a year on release! Crazy! :-)

 

Trying to get rid of the excess stock by capitalising off the success of 'Classic' I assume :lol:

 

But New Year sales do often sell recent successful albums for very low prices anyway. Like Paolo Nutini's Sunny Side Up which returned to #1 with the NY sales in 2010 and The Script's debut which did the same in 2009. Plan B was almost 2011's example of this but he stalled at #2 for two weeks.

The difference exists but I don't think it's substantial enough to warrant judging Matt's relative success with Joe on a scaled level. AFAIC if Matt sells more than 53k this week (which I don't think will happen anyway) then RFYL has had a more successful first week than Ambitions. Total sales are more important anyway and I'm 99% certain RFYL will sell at least 20% more than Ambitions did in total.

 

If you want to view RFYL as a failure then you're free to do so and I may or may not agree in the coming weeks, depending on how it holds up.

I've got no desire to view RFYL as a failure. I prefer Matt to Joe but I'm just trying to be realistic.

 

I agree that if Matt sells more than 53k of RFYL then that is a more successful first week than Ambitions. I also agree that total sales are more important, which gives Matt the edge given he is still in the iTunes top 10 at this point. And if RFYL in total sells 20% more than Ambitions did in total, then RFYL is more successful. If it didn't though, I'd deem it less successful.

 

The scaled level is the right way to compare sales year-on-year.

Trying to get rid of the excess stock by capitalising off the success of 'Classic' I assume :lol:

 

But New Year sales do often sell recent successful albums for very low prices anyway. Like Paolo Nutini's Sunny Side Up which returned to #1 with the NY sales in 2010 and The Script's debut which did the same in 2009. Plan B was almost 2011's example of this but he stalled at #2 for two weeks.

 

From knowing just Ambitions, and the tracks on Classic, it's difficult to think of another artist who has changed their musical style so radically (although Everything But The Girl did a bit of a turnaround in the mid-90s) - and in such a short space of time, less than a year!

 

Shame about the sales, though. I'm 30 now and hardly ever get time to listen to music - i tend to just have Viva or whatever on in the background. I'd really have appreciated those reduced prices 10 or 15 years ago when i bought anything and everything!

Trying to get rid of the excess stock by capitalising off the success of 'Classic' I assume :lol:

 

But New Year sales do often sell recent successful albums for very low prices anyway. Like Paolo Nutini's Sunny Side Up which returned to #1 with the NY sales in 2010 and The Script's debut which did the same in 2009. Plan B was almost 2011's example of this but he stalled at #2 for two weeks.

 

Possibly however as a Joe watcher they tend to get small amount of stock in (For example it often says only 10 left etc that goes down) and then they start again. Amazon prices are weird actually and they change very often if you look at Adele "19" its been selling on there for between £4 and £5 for a long time. I think it has helped enormously with its longevity coz people go on to buy 21 then think Oh I can get them both for another 4 quid. Also Amazon pick one new release every week they sell for 3.99 which is a huge boost for whoever they choose. I think next week they have chosen Noel Gallagher which will help enormously.

From knowing just Ambitions, and the tracks on Classic, it's difficult to think of another artist who has changed their musical style so radically (although Everything But The Girl did a bit of a turnaround in the mid-90s) - and in such a short space of time, less than a year!

 

Shame about the sales, though. I'm 30 now and hardly ever get time to listen to music - i tend to just have Viva or whatever on in the background. I'd really have appreciated those reduced prices 10 or 15 years ago when i bought anything and everything!

 

Is there a chart rule that states an album has to be above a certain price to chart? I sometimes think its unfair when a certain site does what Amazon does and sells an albums near the top of the chart for really cheap and gives it an unfair advantage.

From knowing just Ambitions, and the tracks on Classic, it's difficult to think of another artist who has changed their musical style so radically (although Everything But The Girl did a bit of a turnaround in the mid-90s) - and in such a short space of time, less than a year!

 

Shame about the sales, though. I'm 30 now and hardly ever get time to listen to music - i tend to just have Viva or whatever on in the background. I'd really have appreciated those reduced prices 10 or 15 years ago when i bought anything and everything!

 

Well I guess it proves he's versatile if nothing else. I just wish more people had got to hear it and had the chance to decide. Mind you if it had been more sucessful he would probably still be with Syco. Blessing in disguise perhaps!

Is there a chart rule that states an album has to be above a certain price to chart? I sometimes think its unfair when a certain site does what Amazon does and sells an albums near the top of the chart for really cheap and gives it an unfair advantage.

 

There's no rules regarding retail price unless it's free or bundled with something else AFAIA, but the dealer price (i.e. how much the shop pays for it) needs to be over a certain amount or the album charts in the budget chart rather than the main albums chart. I have no idea how the OCC handles pricing regulations for download albums though.

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There's no rules regarding retail price unless it's free or bundled with something else AFAIA, but the dealer price (i.e. how much the shop pays for it) needs to be over a certain amount or the album charts in the budget chart rather than the main albums chart. I have no idea how the OCC handles pricing regulations for download albums though.

 

OK thank you :)

Even more so given single sales are some 20% higher this year than they were a year ago, therefore Matt equivalent target is 51.6k (43.0k+20%).

Anyone know roughly what his sales will be this week?

 

If, as it appears, he'll finish just outside the top 5, then he's likely to sell just under 40k, with a few k error margin.

 

Vidcapper might be able to answer this better, but my understanding is that sales at the top end of the chart have actually increased more than the %'s quoted in the MW reports (i.e. total sales per week in 2011 vs. total sales from equivalent week in 2010), not the converse.

 

You can't always trust your instincts ;)

 

The overall singles market is 13% up on 2010, but the top 10, just 8% up on a year ago. The biggest gains, of around 17%, have actually been around positions 35-45.