Posted November 5, 201014 yr From http://www.metro.co.uk/music/846232-take-t...new-documentary Take That tensions are all on show in new documentary There could be trouble in boyband paradise if Take That’s preview for their forthcoming documentary is anything to go by which shows the lads arguing with comeback recruit Robbie Williams. http://i52.tinypic.com/117z9s0.jpg Take That (left to right) Gary Barlow, Howard Donald, Mark Owen, Jason Orange and Robbie Williams Take That (left to right) Gary Barlow, Howard Donald, Mark Owen, Jason Orange and Robbie Williams (BigPictures) Far from showing a united front, the boys have bizarrely highlighted a string of fresh tensions with Williams in clips for Take That: Look Back, Don’t Stare. The footage shows Gary Barlow, 39, kicking off in a New York recording studio. ‘There’s always going to be an issue, me working with Rob,’ he snipes. Warning egotistical Williams to offer some fresh ideas for their new album, Progress, Barlow says: ‘Doesn’t matter what you’ve put on that table. You won’t have it unless you’ve come up with it.’ Later on Robbie says: ‘I didn’t sign up to be Gary Barlow’s backing dancer.’ Defending his ideas to the group, Williams says he thinks his song is ‘beautiful’. But Jason Orange, 40, complains: ‘It is, but it is your song.’ Howard Donald, 42, wades in and says of Rob: ‘I’ve been sceptical about him coming back in the band.’ And it seems little Mark Owen is playing peacekeeper. ‘We have to find a way to agree on something,’ says the 38-year-old. Finally, mulling over his decision to rejoin the group, Robbie, 36, admits his pop brothers are bigger than ever before. ‘This is the perfect time and the perfect moment. It just so happens they are massive,’ he grins. The show is on ITV1 on Saturday, November 13, at 9.30pm. :wacko:
November 5, 201014 yr Author Be lucky if they're still talking by the time the tour comes around..... :rolleyes:
November 5, 201014 yr I was so puzzled when I saw that clip the other day! :blink: Can't wait for it to come out, hopefully we'll be able to watch it online or download it from somewhere :P, I'm so interested in the story behind those lines. They probably took it out of the context to make us want to watch it ... and it worked :cheer:
November 5, 201014 yr That article just highlights how thick tabloid journalists truly are. Saying this was taken out of context would be an understatement. $h!t-stirring of the highest order by the good ole British craploids. This is taken from the docu trailer - all of these quotes are totally out of context - especially the one where Rob says he didnt want to be Gary's backing dancer - he was clearly talking about back in the 90's. -_- Trailer: YYYmCpyNK7o
November 6, 201014 yr Be lucky if they're still talking by the time the tour comes around..... :rolleyes: I hope they aren't...its like a nightmare and hopefully it'll be over soon with Robbie returning to solo work whilst the others do whatever it is they do. (Can you tell I ain't a fan of the TT reunion? :lol: )
November 6, 201014 yr I hope they aren't...its like a nightmare and hopefully it'll be over soon with Robbie returning to solo work whilst the others do whatever it is they do. (Can you tell I ain't a fan of the TT reunion? :lol: ) At the end of the day - if you look at the interview (or rather the overview) from The Guardian ... there isn't much difference (give or take one or two 'allegedly' experimental songs from Rob) ... between his and Take That's music. So, a reunion was I suppose as Gary always said 'inevitable'. What I found interesting (or rather ... totally expected from my point of view) is that the 'filming' of the reunion ... through to first meeting up again and recording of the album - was engineered from the start by Barlow. Whilst Barlow and to a certain extent Williams are gleeful for their new-found lovi-ness to be put on camera (for posterity and for vast amounts of money) I'm not too certain the others are so keen. Jason didn't want cameras there at all ... as quite rightly 'no-one behaves naturally' when the cameras are on you. Judas ... if even some members of the band can see what Barlow and Williams are all about ... then it will end up in disaster (for them) delight (for fans). At the end of the day though ... both acts are edging towards their 'senior' years ... and I don't blame them for making another last minute stash. I'd probably do exactly the same. Jupes is right ... this thing won't even make it to half-way through rehearsals. Kath Edited November 6, 201014 yr by Kathyp
November 7, 201014 yr I'm ok with this reunion now... Wasn't too pleased at first but it will definitely be nice to see them all on stage together. Would be great if this could only last for a year (2011), then everybody goes their own way. If Robbie needs the money, he'll get more from a solo career than with them (after all, he has to share it with 4 other people :P ) and he'll definitely earn more respect -_- He probably likes the idea of being a part of the team (I know that's what he mentioned a couple of times) as opposed to doing all the work and having everybody depend on you alone.
November 8, 201014 yr Author JASON'S ANGER OVER TT FILM From http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showb...ds-reunion.html TAKE THAT star JASON ORANGE says he "hated" having cameras documenting the man band's reunion with ROBBIE WILLIAMS. GARY BARLOW organised for crews to capture the recording of new album Progress, which is released a week today. Jason said of having to face the cameras: "I wanted to enjoy Rob. I wanted to enjoy the reunion privately. "I didn't want me or any of us to be acting differently when there's cameras on. "I didn't want it to be captured on cameras. But it was. Gutted." The band will premiere the 90-minute documentary - entitled Look Back, Don't Stare: A Film About Progress - at London's BFI Imax cinema on Wednesday at 9pm. It will also show on ITV1 at 9.30pm on Saturday.
November 8, 201014 yr Author It doesn't seem very harmonious does it? :blink: Gary 'Ker-ching' Barlow strikes again. No wonder he supports the Tories... :lol:
November 8, 201014 yr Hmm I find it odd that Gary still went ahead with it despite Jason being so against it? I thought they had to agree on everything this time around :o I'll watch it on Saturday. Should be interesting. I hope they have full control of the editing this time around though. :lol:
November 8, 201014 yr It doesn't seem very harmonious does it? :blink: Gary 'Ker-ching' Barlow strikes again. No wonder he supports the Tories... :lol: Fair do's Jupes ... I'm sure all of them do ... its just that Barlow was stupid enough to admit it ... and almost brag about it. No! Having said that ... my husband said Mark couldn't possibly be ... he's too little to spell 'Conservative'. :lol: Kath
November 8, 201014 yr It'll all end in tears I tell yea :no: :rofl: :lol: I hope I'll be able to watch it somehow. It all sounds strange. :wacko:
November 9, 201014 yr http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af167/therobbiewilliamssiteukau/15797660.jpg My problem was always Gary. I wanted to crush him. Even when he was down I didn't let go. The Sun 9th November Gordon Smart Bizarre Editor http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af167/therobbiewilliamssiteukau/Picture11-9.png Relight My Fire ... Robbie Williams says he is 'incredibly happy' with the reunion TAKE THAT mania has reached an all-time high over the past few weeks. The band announced a record-breaking stadium tour and their first new album for 15 years featuring the full original line-up. But the road to the big announcement at the Savoy Hotel two weeks ago was far from smooth. Every Take That fan has been gripped by the story of the lads' reconciliation with ROBBIE. And for the first time, on Saturday night millions of TV viewers will be able to see exactly what unravelled behind the scenes. http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af167/therobbiewilliamssiteukau/Picture12-6.png Making music ... Howard goes back to the studio The warts-and-all documentary at 9.30pm on ITV1 - straight after X Factor - lifts the lid on some intimate scenes as the band settled their issues. And it is seriously gripping stuff. Cameras followed GARY BARLOW, 39, MARK OWEN, 38, JASON ORANGE, 40, and HOWARD DONALD, 42, as they made peace with Robbie, 36, after a bitter decade apart. http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af167/therobbiewilliamssiteukau/Picture13-7.png New start ... Take That open up in documentary about their reunion Each member offers a brutally honest - and often shocking - account of their feelings, with some genuinely tear-jerking moments. Robbie is visibly unwell in early scenes, looking like a broken man. After the initial making up, he walks out AGAIN because he isn't ready to emerge from his self-imposed exile. The documentary - Take That: Look Back, Don't Stare - follows Mark Owen as he emerges from rehab and delves into Gary's feelings about his vicious war of words with Robbie. Jason and Howard also open up about their fears of slipping into the background as a pair of "muppets" dancing in the background. It's compelling viewing and something the band are very proud of making. It will be a ratings buster this weekend. Here's a preview of what the band have to say. Robbie One of the most riveting moments sees Gary and Rob open up about their feud. Robbie said: "My problem has always been with Gary. It always was with Gary. I wanted to crush him, I wanted to crush the memory of the band - and I didn't let go. "You know, even when he was down, I didn't let go. And for that I sincerely apologise. But I needed Gary to listen to my truth, to what my experience was, and I needed him to validate it for me. "And he validated it for me. And it was a real f****** magical moment because you realise when two grown-ups meet up and go, 'Here's my truth' you go, 'Yeah, I'm sorry'. "There's room for movement and you realise you only hurt so much because you love them so much." http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af167/therobbiewilliamssiteukau/Picture14-6.png The rift has healed to the point that they have become incredibly close. Rob added: "He's gone way beyond being a father figure and looking after us, driving this machine and being the captain of the ship. And I'm incredibly happy to be under his tutelage because he's the man." Robbie's apology is genuine and heartfelt, with the excitement about his fresh start. "All of a sudden I'm inspired, there's something to work on and some people to work with. There's nothing for me to do other then be in Take That. "I'm f****** bored. I'm scared, I'm lonely, and I've said everything I want to say in a record. I'm enjoying this sharing too much to want to go back to the Robbie Williams band. "I'm breaking me up. Yeah, I'm breaking me up because of music similarities. "We don't need each other - we want each other. My hope is that that friendship will regenerate itself somehow. I want to play a game where we get to know each other, and the playing of the game is writing the tunes. "It's like that jumping out of a plane thing and I've packed my own parachute - that's really worrying." Robbie walks out on the band again after the Children In Need show last November, when he appeared with Take That on stage for the first time in 15 years. He explained his wobble by saying: "I wasn't very well, physically. I just didn't feel as if I had the energy to do it. "It was a scary prospect to be out there among something so huge, feeling so depleted of life force." Mark One of the most poignant moments in the documentary shows Mark emerging from a month in rehab after confronting his booze demons. He makes a two-mile walk from the rehab centre on the coast as part of the treatment to think about what he has been through. http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af167/therobbiewilliamssiteukau/Picture15-6.png He said: "I didn't really know I was broke - but I was pretty f****** broke when I look back at it now. Drink and me equals not good, really. "There was a time when I was, like, 'I can't ever go in a studio ever again, I can't do this. It's just not who I am or what I've been doing'. "And then I thought, 'Well, you know it's quite selfish, we've come this far now and done all this work. Don't let everybody down. You've let everybody down enough - you don't want to let them all down again'." Now the band are back together, he spoke about how they will all have to find their role again. He added: "Now Rob's come back into the band, maybe it's time for us to make peace with the whole thing, to reflect a little bit on the journey. Everybody's got to find their space. It's important to find your own space within it all." When Robbie dropped the bombshell that he was leaving for the second time, Mark was the one who encouraged him to re-think. He said: "I went round to Rob's house a couple of times because it's just better if you can talk to each other, I think. "We worked it out that day. We said forget about promotion, forget about touring because that's a big thing. It's always daunting. You know, it's a year. "Let's just say we make this record. Look at how many days it's going to take us max. We worked out it is going to take about 30 days of being in the studio this year. Do you want to do it? "Yeah, I wanna do it. Well, do you have 30 days spare? Yeah, I've got 30 days spare. Well right, let's do it." Mark clashes in one scene with Gary, arguing about ideas in the studio. Mark said: "We have to find a way to agree on something, what's the process there, because we are gonna hit walls." Gary For the first time Gary opens up about the extent of his depression when Robbie attacked him relentlessly as his solo career stalled. The abuse was so bad, at one point he asked the bank if he could change his name on his credit cards. He said: "It was hard watching Rob getting further and further into the distance and I just seemed like I'd gone ten steps back. "It was like a constant daily mock. It followed me everywhere. You just feel like a total loser. http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af167/therobbiewilliamssiteukau/Picture17.png "In fact, I remember asking the bank whether I could change my name on my card. I couldn't face my own name because even over the phone people would hear it and make some wisecrack. "The Rob I'm with now certainly wasn't the guy I was with in the Nineties. I needed those years. I needed that to happen to get to here. I almost want to say thanks. All that s*** was great because it made me reach the bottom. Now look at me. "One of the things that was a big revelation about joining the band this time round was how much I loved everyone's company. "How much I loved hearing about what happened during everyone's weekend. I wasn't interested in that the first time around. "If we hadn't come back together as a band, we wouldn't have seen Rob again. We needed to meet again as equals - with equal success - back in a great place. And we are equals right now. "I'd like Rob to have a real ball with us. I wanna see him alive on stage because I haven't seen it for years. If it helps him and if it helps him find Robbie again, then that's gonna be great." The despair etched on Gary's face when he discovers Robbie has quit again is touching stuff. Gary is filmed saying: "When I heard, just before I went on holiday Rob doesn't want to do it now, I was like, 'What the f***'s this!' I never really wanted to be in a band. I felt like I'd got to the end of Take That and I was saying there goes my long-lost friends and farewell to them, because we'd all been stitched together by a manager, had travelled the world for five years together." Howard & Jason At the press conference a couple of weeks back, in Robbie's words Howard was "the body" and Jason was "the dancer". But in Look Back, Don't Stare, they prove they are equal to the others, offering the toughest criticism of Robbie's return. Robbie asks Howard if he is nervous and he replies: "Yeah, I suppose I am worried about feeling part of it, really - you know, now we have three great writers. We don't just want to be the two muppets in the background. "I remember sending Robbie an email saying this is about our life. This is about the five of us. This is about life." Jason added: "Howard said, 'Should we make up a dance routine so we can show them something when we turn up?' "Look how far we have come since 20 years ago, when it was just dog eat dog. It was every man for himself - and now we try to help each other. It's quite a transformation really. "Aside from the laughs that we shared with the lads, it was all s*** those years. When Rob walked back in the room if felt whole again. Whatever happens, by hook or by crook, we've just got to do it. Whatever it takes - fall-outs, arguments, tears, whatever." Jason takes it badly when Robbie walks out for the second time. He said: "It was like the rug was pulled from under my feet. I was gutted. I actually said to Rob, 'Your whims have a direct effect on us'. But, equally, none of us were going to say 'No' to Rob. "We were going to try to encourage him strongly but we weren't going to say, 'No, you must do this' - because we tried to manipulate him and each other back in the day and we don't want manipulation to be part of it. It was his choice." source: thesun.co.uk courtesy of Jackie at TRWS
November 9, 201014 yr Author Looks like Robbie is firmly determined to give up his solo career and stay with Take That :( Firmly determined today anyway.... :P Didn't know he had quit TT for a 2nd time. Before they even got together. :wacko:
November 9, 201014 yr Didn't know he had quit TT for a 2nd time. Before they even got together. :wacko: He really is a creature of whimsy though. Do you reckon he'll quit a third time before too long? I doubt he'll stay with Take That ... it'd be like he was caged. Kath
November 9, 201014 yr Author I don't doubt it for a moment. He's just like a wean with a new toy at the moment. Once the novelty wears off he'll be hot footing it back to LA. Or else the other 4 will kill him before too much longer... :rolleyes:
November 9, 201014 yr I don't doubt it for a moment. He's just like a wean with a new toy at the moment. Once the novelty wears off he'll be hot footing it back to LA. Or else the other 4 will kill him before too much longer... :rolleyes: I wonder what the scenes will be like if he does quit ... before the tour I mean. There'll be loads of tickets spare then with all the returns. I may get front row after all ... even that late in the day! Kath
