November 9, 201014 yr Strange indeed :blink: They may have had difficulty getting sponsorship !!! many companies have limited budgets Does anyone know exactly how many shows they are doing in the UK......can anyone really see Robbie physically lasting the pace ...he smokes too much & that affects stamina especially when you are trying to sing & smoke at the same time <_<
November 10, 201014 yr Both the European dates not selling out and The Flood under-performing (so far) are both as result from a mixture of naivety and frankly arrogance if you ask me. A much needed lesson in humility should be learnt then perhaps? Kath
November 14, 201014 yr So who watched it? Opinions? Where I can watch it? I hope for YouTube. I watched it and it was OK. I do think that 90 minutes was OTT and a bit unfair on the average Joe Public who has no interest in Take That to have this much prime time Saturday night telly devoted to them. Most interesting people on screen? It has to be Jason and Rob. The Flood (despite virtually NONE of it being played) appears to have gone up to #4 on iTunes as a result. So just imagine what maybe even just ONE promotional appearance for the song (not just headline grabbing antics) could have done. Kath
November 14, 201014 yr Both the European dates not selling out and The Flood under-performing (so far) are both as result from a mixture of naivety and frankly arrogance if you ask me. I would no worry, the tickets are in sell only for two weeks. I got tickets for Bon Jovi very late , for REM weeks after beginning the sell and also for Depeche Mode (which in Germany is massive, especially in Leipzig where i went) also not in the first week. I do think that apart from U2 and a couple of german artists, the gig tickets are not selling very fast in Germany. It doesn't help either that the name is on your ticket, so if you cannot make it in the last minutes you will hardly sell it. It is not like in UK where you buy it and after that you speaks with your family and friends who want to come... Less touts, but less flexibility also. It might be that Robbie is a lot in yellow press but very few knows about the new song. They will start in December the promotion here, so we will see... Anyway in the last time is harder and harder to fill stadiums here. The people looks at their money. I saw Razorlight and Kaiser Chiefs, as they were selling much bigger venues in UK, and they were not sold out in small venues. Bon Jovi had only 2/3 rom Leipzig Stadium. As for asking why TT does not do arena, is because of their scene and props, which are all custom made and when designed for stadium have no place in an arena. At BW tour they did also in UK arenas. To scale down the props could mean additional costs. About the price for tickets, i am quite sure that they have no educational in economics and let this aspect to the management. Nonetheless, a lot of people live because of TT gigs: the props maker, the designers, the dancers, the people who make the background videos, the pirotechniker, all of which are not living from rock gigs, for example (as only a few rock acts make design scene). PLus the normal people involved in a gig: musicians, sound techniker, back stage staff, the light engineer, the montage people, the security. Are a hell of a lot people! The music industry lives more from hese pop acts as from the rock ones :lol:
November 14, 201014 yr It's on YouTube, on page: http://www.youtube.com/user/takethatfansitecom#g/u Edited November 14, 201014 yr by Nada
November 14, 201014 yr Author I missed the documentary but apparently it's being repeated tonight at 10.45. So tonight I've got X-Factor I'm a Celeb TT docu all after each other. Phew... :wacko:
November 14, 201014 yr I really enjoyed watching it, thought it was good. Funny and sad at times. Didn't like the bit where Robbie said he was splitting himself up, guess that means no more solo work for a long time then if ever :(
November 14, 201014 yr Wow, I didn't expect I will like this thing that much. Probably because I like those 'behind scene' things, but for me it feels this was more than just it. I changed my opinion about Gary. Really. I already started to change it before, and now I think I'm done. :D For better, of course. And I hope it will stay like this.
November 14, 201014 yr I really enjoyed it tbh. It was very different than what I imagined it would be. For starters there wasn't much joy or fun or lots of laughs - it was a very serious account of the situation. Far more so than I expected. I felt sorry for Rob at the start - he seemed so fragile and nervous - he has always been the total opposite as a person to when he is Robbie Williams the pop star but he really did not seem very well mentally at all. When you compare those NY sessions from over 18 months ago to recently with the interviews with Gary and now with the others - his confidence has come back hugely and he is much more comfortable so that is one great thing at least. I felt all five of the lads came accross very well, although Howard really didn't seem as interested in the whole process as much as the others. Perhaps this is normal for him, I don't know tbh but it was odd how he just left to go and DJ in Germany when they were in the middle of writing the album. :lol: Jason came across well too I felt - very intelligent and although slightly uncomfortable, his exchange with Rob with regard to the lyrics of 'Eight Letters' was very interesting. I enjoyed Rob defending what he had created and explaining line by line as to why he was proud of it - it was refreshing to see him like that. Gary came across well too and clearly helped Rob along a lot by encouraging him, and even defending Rob to Jason re. the lyrics by saying something along the lines of 'unless you can bring something better to the table - which was true but I did feel a bit sorry for Jason too. Sort of being shafted although it was true he wasn't coming up with any alternative lyric. Mark also came across as likeable although I did feel the way his cheating on his wife and then the rehab was portrayed in a way where it was his 'difficult time' and he should have sympathy which I found a bit distasteful if I'm totally honest. I really enjoyed the part where Elton John popped into the studio to compliment them all to then be essentially kicked out by Rob because Rob had a footie match to be at in an hour and they wanted to get on with it. :lol: I am sure though it was edited in that way. Anyone know how much longer the full film is that will be on the special edition of the album? Would be interesting to see what was left off this edited version. The part with 8 Letters was interesting. Rob was so passionate about the lyrics, and sung them in the studio with such emotion and meaning, yet Gary sings it on the album? What an odd decision. I assume Gaz wrote the music and Rob wrote the lyrics and melody but I do hope there is an alternative version (should have been the B-side to 'The Flood' IMO) as although Gary is a very good singer, his vocal makes it sound more like a slushy love song and doesn't really make me sit up and take notice to how personal the lyrics are. I'll also say that although I am not a fan of Gary's voice - it is ridiculous that he only has one lead on the album - it only has 10 proper tracks - they should have put Flowerbed' as a proper track along with three or four other songs - being Gary solo's and then leave Rob to sing 8 Letters. I fully understand that Rob gets the most vocals on this album but after hearing him sing the song last night I really feel strongly that it was a wrong decision for Gary to sing it . But again I am not saying Gary shouldn't have had a solo song - quite the opposite. I just think there should have been more tracks on he album to enable that - what about that song he was singing on his own in the documentary - why wasn't that on the album? Overall it was very interesting to watch. Would have liked a little more about the creative process but hopefully there is more of that in the unedited version.
November 14, 201014 yr [...] Anyone know how much longer the full film is that will be on the special edition of the album? Would be interesting to see what was left off this edited version. [...] circa 1 hour 6 minutes
November 14, 201014 yr circa 1 hour 6 minutes Thanks - so there wasn't much edited out on the ITV version then? It was 90 minutes including adverts. Yep Jups it is all in black and white :D
November 14, 201014 yr I'm watching the documentary now. Is it all in black and ink? :unsure: Watch out for the bit where Elton ( dressed like a scraggy tramo ) gets kicked out of the room by Robbie :lol:
November 14, 201014 yr I found the whole documentary very 'confessional' & hopefully it will open up people's minds as to what went on & why & maybe they will stop being so judgemental & actually allow themselves to enjoy the next twelve months ;)
