German National Top-50 Year-end-Chart 2010: #1: UNHEILIG - GEBOREN UM ZU LEBEN (points 1917) :rolleyes:

Lena only at #8 shows how wrong that system is :teresa:

Madcon 'Glow' #2 :blink:

@ ashdeluxe: I guess you're system is a holy one?

Everything can be discussed if you like. The system combines sales, downloads, airplay and albumsales. If you don't like it.........leave it.

"Don't worry...be happy".

 

It's the system of the future I guess, and that's my opinion. :yahoo:

It makes me sad seeing how massive Adam Lambert has been everywhere else but here :(

@ ashdeluxe: I guess you're system is a holy one?

Everything can be discussed if you like. The system combines sales, downloads, airplay and albumsales. If you don't like it.........leave it.

"Don't worry...be happy".

 

It's the system of the future I guess, and that's my opinion. :yahoo:

 

There's no discussing with you about this chart because you disallow every whiff of criticism. :rolleyes:

Satellite is without any doubt one of THE songs of the year (among Waka Waka and Geboren um zu leben), so a year end chart where it is only at #8 can't be taken serious.

 

This isn't even caused by the weird way of compiling the weekly chart. It's just that they use a bad system to compile the year end chart. Apparently it's a linear point system which privileges slow-burners too much. See their European year end chart for 2007:

http://euro200.net/2007.htm

"Ein Stern" as Europe's #1 of 2007? Oh please... in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, of course. But it didn't sell in any other country, so how can it be Europe's biggest hit of the year? This is due to a bad point system for the year end chart, they should change it...

Edited December 31, 201014 yr by AshDeluxe

There's no discussing with you about this chart because you disallow every whiff of criticism. :rolleyes:

Satellite is without any doubt one of THE songs of the year (among Waka Waka and Geboren um zu leben), so a year end chart where it is only at #8 can't be taken serious.

 

This isn't even caused by the weird way of compiling the weekly chart. It's just that they use a bad system to compile the year end chart. Apparently it's a linear point system which privileges slow-burners too much. See their European year end chart for 2007:

http://euro200.net/2007.htm

"Ein Stern" as Europe's #1 of 2007? Oh please... in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, of course. But it didn't sell in any other country, so how can it be Europe's biggest hit of the year? This is due to a bad point system for the year end chart, they should change it...

 

 

The system is wrong (in your eyes) when you compare the results of these charts with sales charts only. For example in the Netherlands: When a song sold 40.000 copies it's the #1 song of the year measured on sales. It doesn't matter if the songs were played on radio- or TV. I guess "Lordi's - Hardrock Hallelujah" is a perfect example of it.

 

These APC-charts are compiled on a wider level. In measuring the popularity of a song, the importance of sales is decreasing. When you use only sales for the EU-chart then perhabs the first 25 tracks in the Britsh top-40 are also the first 25 tracks in the EU-chart. I guess that doesn't fit too.

 

For example this question: There are 2 songs in a year-en-chart: one has sold 40.000 copies in 2 weeks en the other sold 40.000 copies in 30 weeks. Which of both songs is popular you think?

 

The point system is not a very strong one, I agree with you. I saw that they added another system in 2009. The songs total score has also been counted. It gives a complete other picture as you can see.

 

I only want to say 'that charts only based on sales don't give the music-consumer or radio-programmer enough information about popularity.

 

Have a happy new year and nice discussions too!

Edited December 31, 201014 yr by Chartboost

I agree that a year end chart based on sales only isn't really a good system to see which songs were the most popular. We see it in the UK every year, where the X Factor winner is always in the top 3 of the year after 2 weeks of sales, while the song itself is forgotten already 3 months later. You can't really say that this song is one of the biggest songs of the year.

I liked the old German system, where points for each week were added, but those points in the specific week depended of the strenght of the sales in the particular week. So a song with strong sales was favoured, but a good position in the year end chart was still only possible with a longer chart run. But they changed the system this year and I'm not sure yet, how it is calculated now.

 

Maybe APC changed their system, too, but it is still far from being perfect. "Satellite" is without any doubt by far more popular than "Glow", for example. It also had more album sales (Lena: double platinum, Madcon: well, almost nothing) and was also strong on airplay. The German year end chart gives a good view on what were the biggest songs of the year (Satellite, Waka Waka, Geboren um zu leben, Over The Rainbow), the APC year end chart doesn't.

 

Anyway, a happy new year to you, too

Edited December 31, 201014 yr by AshDeluxe

:( I was hoping Satellite would be #1, I thought it sold over 600,000 copies there? Will there be a proper EOY chart published (i.e. based on sales)?

:( I was hoping Satellite would be #1, I thought it sold over 600,000 copies there? Will there be a proper EOY chart published (i.e. based on sales)?

 

 

And there are 84.4 million Germans who didn't buy the record.................................! :lol:

A lot of them liked it anyway I guess.................... :rolleyes:

And there are 84.4 million Germans who didn't buy the record.................................! :lol:

A lot of them liked it anyway I guess.................... :rolleyes:

 

It still outsold every other song this year I'm assuming, so should be #1! Unless something did outsell it eventually (Shakira/Stromae?), I'm not sure about German sales figures, I just remember reading that it sold 150k first week, which is huge there!

 

Over 60 million people in the UK didn't buy Love The Way You Lie either but it's still the most popular song of the year here!

It still outsold every other song this year I'm assuming, so should be #1! Unless something did outsell it eventually (Shakira/Stromae?), I'm not sure about German sales figures, I just remember reading that it sold 150k first week, which is huge there!

 

Over 60 million people in the UK didn't buy Love The Way You Lie either but it's still the most popular song of the year here!

 

This is their top 20 of the year so far...not sure if theres another week or two to add though. I think its very close between Lena and Shakira. I loved the German chart this year though even I'm shocked how big Israel has been (12 weeks at #1 and still counting and now its now #1 in France) :blink:

 

1. Lena Meyer-Landrut – Satellite (1)

2. Shakira featuring Freshlyground – Waka Waka (This Time For Africa) (1)

3. Unheilig – Geboren Um Zu Leben (2)

4. Israel Kamakawiwo'Ole – Over The Rainbow (1)

5. Yolanda Be Cool Vs D-Cup – We No Speak Americano (1)

6. K’naan – Wavin’ Flag (1)

7. Stromae – Alors On Danse (1)

8. Keri Hilson – I Like (1)

9. Ke$ha – Tik Tok (1)

10. Hurts – Wonderful Life (2)

11. Eminem featuring Rihanna – Love The Way You Lie (1)

12. Mehrzad Marashi - Don't Believe (1)

13. Madcon – Glow (4)

14. Velile & Safri Duo – Helele (2)

15. Edward Maya feat. Vika Jigulina – Stereo Love (4)

16. Lady Gaga – Bad Romance (1)

17. Lady Gaga – Alejandro (2)

18. Katy Perry – California Gurls (3)

19. Aura Dione – I Will Love You Monday (365) (1)

20. Taio Cruz featuring Ludacris – Break Your Heart (5)

 

This is their top 20 of the year so far...not sure if theres another week or two to add though. I think its very close between Lena and Shakira. I loved the German chart this year though even I'm shocked how big Israel has been (12 weeks at #1 and still counting and now its now #1 in France) :blink:

 

1. Lena Meyer-Landrut – Satellite (1)

2. Shakira featuring Freshlyground – Waka Waka (This Time For Africa) (1)

3. Unheilig – Geboren Um Zu Leben (2)

4. Israel Kamakawiwo'Ole – Over The Rainbow (1)

5. Yolanda Be Cool Vs D-Cup – We No Speak Americano (1)

6. K’naan – Wavin’ Flag (1)

7. Stromae – Alors On Danse (1)

8. Keri Hilson – I Like (1)

9. Ke$ha – Tik Tok (1)

10. Hurts – Wonderful Life (2)

11. Eminem featuring Rihanna – Love The Way You Lie (1)

12. Mehrzad Marashi - Don't Believe (1)

13. Madcon – Glow (4)

14. Velile & Safri Duo – Helele (2)

15. Edward Maya feat. Vika Jigulina – Stereo Love (4)

16. Lady Gaga – Bad Romance (1)

17. Lady Gaga – Alejandro (2)

18. Katy Perry – California Gurls (3)

19. Aura Dione – I Will Love You Monday (365) (1)

20. Taio Cruz featuring Ludacris – Break Your Heart (5)

 

I don't think you get my point of view. It's nice to know how much copies a record sold, but it's an indication for the popularity of it, nothing more or less.

 

To measure the popularity sales are not enough I mean.

By the way Eminem & Rihanna were the #1 in the Year-end-chart from APC-stats too when they counted this week in their chart. Look at the new British National Top-50. :rolleyes:

 

My example again:

 

There are 2 records: one of them sells 40.000 copies in 2 weeks and the other one sells 40.000 in 30 weeks; which record is the most popular you think?

Edited December 31, 201014 yr by Chartboost

I don't think you get my point of view. It's nice to know how much copies a record sold, but it's an indication for the popularity of it, nothing more or less.

 

To measure the popularity sales are not enough I mean.

By the way Eminem & Rihanna were the #1 in the Year-end-chart from APC-stats too when they counted this week in their chart. Look at the new British National Top-50. :rolleyes:

 

My example again:

 

There are 2 records: one of them sells 40.000 copies in 2 weeks and the other one sells 40.000 in 30 weeks; which record is the most popular you think?

 

Oh I see your point and see where your coming from (though don't always agree with airplay being included). I was just showing goodelta the top 20 based on sales :lol:

Okay, have a nice day and best wishes from the Netherlands.

Oh I see your point and see where your coming from (though don't always agree with airplay being included). I was just showing goodelta the top 20 based on sales :lol:

 

Well, the German year end chart isn't based on sales ;)

But anyway, the top 20 you posted is the official year-to-date chart, from last week I think... there will be 1 or 2 weeks added until the official year end chart is published next week. :)

 

@ gooddelta: According to Sony, Waka Waka is the biggest selling single of the year with over 680,000 copies sold.

Edited December 31, 201014 yr by AshDeluxe

Well, the German year end chart isn't based on sales ;)

But anyway, the top 20 you posted is the official year-to-date chart, from last week I think... there will be 1 or 2 weeks added until the official year end chart is published next week. :)

 

@ gooddelta: According to Sony, Waka Waka is the biggest selling single of the year with over 680,000 copies sold.

 

Stunning sales! That's fine, I love Waka Waka and Satellite, in fact that whole top 20 is pretty amazing, makes me wish I lived in Germany :lol: It's very accepting of music from all over the world, not just the US.

 

Well, the German year end chart isn't based on sales ;)

But anyway, the top 20 you posted is the official year-to-date chart, from last week I think... there will be 1 or 2 weeks added until the official year end chart is published next week. :)

 

@ gooddelta: According to Sony, Waka Waka is the biggest selling single of the year with over 680,000 copies sold.

 

Hi Ash,

 

To be complete; the German National Top-50 isn't based on sales only, but includes also download-sales, airplay and additional album-sales.

 

Acoording to Sony 'waka waka' is the best sold record in germany. There you mention a very important reason to use other sources than record companies. As a musicplanner for a Dutch radiostation I learned to deal with the "colored" information from recordcompanies. They have other interests. Their songs must be the popular ones. I also have to deal with listeners, which are the music consumers. Through downloads and album sales they determine an important part of the popularity of a individual track. Record-companies are not always glad with this influences. The airplay contributes to a collective experience of the track. If you combine this data then you have a more reliable reflection of peoples music preferences.

 

That's a point of view I guess, which is shared by a lot of collegues.

To be complete; the German National Top-50 isn't based on sales only, but includes also download-sales, airplay and additional album-sales.

 

I think we all know that by now ;)

 

Acoording to Sony 'waka waka' is the best sold record in germany. There you mention a very important reason to use other sources than record companies. As a musicplanner for a Dutch radiostation I learned to deal with the "colored" information from recordcompanies. They have other interests. Their songs must be the popular ones. I also have to deal with listeners, which are the music consumers. Through downloads and album sales they determine an important part of the popularity of a individual track. Record-companies are not always glad with this influences. The airplay contributes to a collective experience of the track. If you combine this data then you have a more reliable reflection of peoples music preferences.

 

That's a point of view I guess, which is shared by a lot of collegues.

 

I think the influence of record companies on airplay is way higher than on actual sales. At least in the USA it is. And what record companies tell about sales of their titles has no influence on the charts as chart compilers have their own sources to know what sold the most.

Sales (physical & downloads) are what tells the most about the popularity of a song. Album sales only tell about the popularity of the album, not a special song on it. And airplay in Germany doesn't tell about what people like the most, it only tells about what most people don't hate, as that's the only thing that radio stations care about...

Edited December 31, 201014 yr by AshDeluxe

I think we all know that by now ;)

I think the influence of record companies on airplay is way higher than on actual sales. At least in the USA it is. And what record companies tell about sales of their titles has no influence on the charts as chart compilers have their own sources to know what sold the most.

Sales (physical & downloads) are what tells the most about the popularity of a song. Album sales only tell about the popularity of the album, not a special song on it. And airplay in Germany doesn't tell about what people like the most, it only tells about what most people don't hate, as that's the only thing that radio stations care about...

 

That's not what I meant. Record companies want us to believe what the hits will be from an album. For example on i-Tunes you can see that the music consumer decides if a track is a hit (succes) or not. For me as a radio man (who still loves that medium) the influence of a record company is declining. And that's a good development I guess.

This year Peter Gabriel's 'The Book Of Love' made it up to the 17e stage in the EURO 200 almost entirely through the album 'Scratch My back'. The record company didn't release this single (again), but due to a small number of downloads and the album it could be a hit. :rolleyes: