March 29, 201114 yr I have a feeling that the distinction between reissues, re-entries and the like is gonna get more and more blurred as we get further and further into the download era. The original definitions were from Guiness (or possibly it's predecessor Rock File) and were used in compiling some of their statistics lists. A re-entry is within the same chart-run (and period in the shops pre-download) and a reissue is usually several/many years later with a new catalog number (and sometimes on a new format eg CD when originally 7"). The thing that defines a reissue to me is that there is usually a new or different reason for the single to be selling again (eg artists death, charity connection, new cover version causing interest in the original etc etc). Remixes released at any time other than during the run of the original single are usually taken as separate singles, though this clearly can't apply so well in the download era. Chart rules over the years have also added confusion to this issue. When Je'Taime was in the charts in 1969 and then dropped by it's label to be picked up by a different label the chart treated them as separate singles and essentially had the same song in two places for a few weeks. When Leader Of The Pack was reissued on two (or three?) different labels similtaneously (abt 1974?) they were all combined to one chart position during at least part of their run. There are probably more examples of these anomalies. To me a reissued former chart topper getting to number one is a new number one and a reentry isn't, however I also would argue that if a download (or the same physical release) returns to number one a year or more after it originally got there it should probably be seen as a new number one, since it has a new reason or stimulus for being there. I use the rule of thumb of one year apart or more as a separate single for the calculation of my 'Single of the Week' listings, which can be seen (for 2010+) on my website www.spanglefish.com/webbyswonderfulworld . I think IIRC that only Rod Stewart's Sailing appears on the list twice with the same release as a result of the rule (In 1976 and 77 or 8 I think).
March 29, 201114 yr I think it was just a bizarre error but in the first week of Oasis' 'Some Might Say' its 7'' sales were separated and charted on their own at #73. Aside from that, Je T'aime and Lulu's Shout have all charted twice at the same time for whatever reason and Michael Jackson's Black Or White and The Cure's High both charted as an original and a remix at the same time (probably others also). Anyone know any other songs that appeared twice in the same chart by the same artist? Edited March 29, 201114 yr by Bray
March 29, 201114 yr I think it was just a bizarre error but in the first week of Oasis' 'Some Might Say' its 7'' sales were separated and charted on their own at #73. It wasn't an error - it was a fourth format which broke chart rules. Only 3 physical formats are allowed to count towards one chart entry :) As the 12" was released a week later it was the one that wasn't allowed to be combined to the higher entry at #2 that week. No idea about Lulu though - never read about that one before :D
March 29, 201114 yr It wasn't an error - it was a fourth format which broke chart rules. Only 3 physical formats are allowed to count towards one chart entry :) As the 12" was released a week later it was the one that wasn't allowed to be combined to the higher entry at #2 that week. No idea about Lulu though - never read about that one before :D Ah, I see. I always thought it was just an error. Those crazy chart rules. I'm glad we're free of such rules now. I didn't know about Shout until it was mentioned in the Dave Taylor's Almost Saturday Chart thread. No idea why it was in the chart twice for a couple of weeks, I assume it was just the same reason as Je T'aime with it being released on two different record labels at around the same time.
March 29, 201114 yr I think the Lulu one might have been a slightly different version that was out as a new release and then the original was reissued by the original label to cash in. Possibly one was just Lulu and one was Lulu and The Luvvers?
March 29, 201114 yr I also meant to mention that on www.everyhit.com when the same download repeaks for a new reason it is termed a re-emergence rather than either reissue or reentry.
March 29, 201114 yr I think the Lulu one might have been a slightly different version that was out as a new release and then the original was reissued by the original label to cash in. Possibly one was just Lulu and one was Lulu and The Luvvers? I think you might be right there. According to this chart scan at the time, the version of Shout at #41 was released on Jive, and the #51 on Decca: http://scans.chartarchive.org/UK/1986/30%2...M%20Singles.jpg And after a tiny bit of research, the original version of Shout was indeed released on Decca: In actual fact, Columbia (EMI) turned down Lulu and The Luvvers, the first record company they approached for a deal, but no matter. Within weeks, they were signed up by Decca and made their first single, 'Shout', a raw version of the old Isley Brothers US hit of 1959, which Lulu had enthused over when she heard Alex Harvey singing it several months before. http://www.lulu.co.uk/biography1.htm Mystery solved!! :lol:
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