This isn't Ultimate Female Artist or Best Female Artist Ever where everything has to be taken into account. Surely the fact that this is an annual competition suggests that we should be basing it on the current music from each female artist (hence why Adele has shot up this year and the likes of Cheryl Cole fell). In my opinion, Britney doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the top 10 based on her recent music. Maybe if this was 2003-2005, but I think all of the remaining top 5 have trumped her in terms of music quality within the last year. But that is just my opinion. I can see the appeal of Britney though. I'm not going to be closed-minded. She was a great popstar back in the day imo and I'm glad she's personally recovered from the mess she was in throughout 2007 but I don't think her music ever properly recovered. Well, other than 'Womanizer', it didn't.

 

I also wouldn't call In The Zone definitive. Yes the likes of 'Everytime', 'Showdown', 'Brave New Girl' and 'Me Against The Music' (and I guess 'Toxic') were great pop songs but I wouldn't call the album definitive. I guess Beyonce hasn't had a real career-defining album yet either. But I'd say I Am...Sasha Fierce and even 4 are nearer "definitive" than any of Britney's albums...and this isn't me being a blind Beyonce fan.

 

Well you may do that, and so may others. But the fact that Janet Jackson, Barbra Streisand, Annie Lennox and sorta Madonna are on the list suggest people are voting for their ULTIMATE favourite artists rather than what's currently hot for people.

 

As for "In The Zone", I think it is definitive, tracks like "Breathe On Me", "Touch Of My Hand", "Everytime", "Toxic", "Brave New Girl" are touching on subjects RARE for any popstar (let along 'the original doll'). I can't even see any popstar that has come close to recreating this type of sound + subject matters and the fact that she worked her ass off behind and in front of the scenes during that era, the transition she made from girl to woman, the fact that she tempted with an urban market. Yeah, I'd say pretty definitive.

 

There are moments in her career now where you can see the transition continuing "Mannequin", "Unusual You" and perhaps "How I Roll", "Criminal" and "Inside Out". I bet my bottom dollar, if she was out promoting her music now and giving it even 25% of what she did during "In The Zone", we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

Well you may do that, and so may others. But the fact that Janet Jackson, Barbra Streisand, Annie Lennox and sorta Madonna are on the list suggest people are voting for their ULTIMATE favourite artists rather than what's currently hot for people.

 

As for "In The Zone", I think it is definitive, tracks like "Breathe On Me", "Touch Of My Hand", "Everytime", "Toxic", "Brave New Girl" are touching on subjects RARE for any popstar (let along 'the original doll'). I can't even see any popstar that has come close to recreating this type of sound + subject matters and the fact that she worked her ass off behind and in front of the scenes during that era, the transition she made from girl to woman, the fact that she tempted with an urban market. Yeah, I'd say pretty definitive.

 

There are moments in her career now where you can see the transition continuing "Mannequin", "Unusual You" and perhaps "How I Roll", "Criminal" and "Inside Out". I bet my bottom dollar, if she was out promoting her music now and giving it even 25% of what she did during "In The Zone", we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

 

What rare subjects does she touch that are suposidly rare ?

 

And how is her sound any way diff to any other pop star ?

 

And I dont see how her going "Urban" is a big factor either. Its been done my many major female acts.

Just to stir things up a lil bit :kink:

 

 

5 8 Britney Spears 672

Highest Position: 1 (Nick F1, Dannjohn3, Alex!)

Bitch Slap(s): 4 (SceneofSIXcrimes, Aphrodite, Karma, troylovesmusic)

Number of Votes: 33

Most Known Hits: Baby One More Time, Ooops! I Did It Again, Toxic, Everytime, I'm A Slave 4 U, Womanizer, Gimme More, Stronger

 

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We all remember late 1998 when that 'virginal' teenager in the racy school uniform embedded herself in pop culture history. I'm talking about 'Baby One More Time', one of the biggest selling singles in global history. Thus the career of former Mickey Mouse Club disciple Britney Spears was born. Over a decade later and she's just released her 7th studio album 'Femme Fatale and is considered one of the most iconic and best selling female singers of recent times. I can't really say a lot more because so much has already been covered in the three page spat going on :lol:

 

I personally now cringe at her old bubblegum pop stuff but she has made some absolute classics in her day. Cringe factor aside though I much prefer her earlier material. For me she peaked with 'In The Zone' which is one of pop's greatest albums. Her material since the highly publicised breakdown in the middle of the 2000s has declined with each record. I fail to see why 'Blackout' is held in such high regard? It was very innovative at the time but the majority of it sucked. I haven't liked a Britney track since 2005 - the only one that comes close is 'Piece of Me'. She may not be huge in the UK anymore but still has a dedicated worldwide following - so here's the Spears climbing 3 places from last year's position ^_^

 

Pink above Britney? :o :w00t:

Britney 5th? Ok.. I like her material, but she hasn't done anything special for me.

 

P!nk is doing much better than I expected as well! :D

I will openly admit I didn't follow her until "Bills Bills Bills" like the majority of her current audience. And whoever said they heard "No No No" in clubs, I've never heard it in one club ever. In relation to this Female Smackdown, I'm sure the majority of people giving her votes are judging her solo music rather than her band's music, and she doesn't have THAT much solo music in comparison to P!nk or Britney, this can be seen for the sheer fact there isn't a big cry out for a DC reunion.

 

I wasn't stating that Beyonce shouldn't win, I'd be happy if she did, she's a great artist with some great album tracks and singles. I'm still waiting for her to make her definitive album a la "In The Zone" or "Erotica", but that's just me.

 

 

Firstly you have no idea when her current audience started to follow her. Many like myself would have been there from the very beginning. From going to DC tours throughout the years the audience reception 'No No No' was much bigger then when they played 'Bills Bills Bills'. You are only 19 maybe that is why you havent heard it in a club, also the type of clubs you go to needs to be considered. Your posts are full of asumptions instead of facts - i think people will be considering her material with DC because she was the lead singer / songwriter / producer for the group!

 

Your also claiming that quantity should be considered over quality which is ridiculous considering that Britney has released 7 studio albums, pink has released 5 studio albums and Beyonce has releases 4 studio albums as a solo artist and 4 with DC so your argument doesnt hold up at all!

 

 

What rare subjects does she touch that are suposidly rare ?

 

And how is her sound any way diff to any other pop star ?

 

And I dont see how her going "Urban" is a big factor either. Its been done my many major female acts.

 

Her sound isn't different to other pop stars, but she essentially is one of the forces behind the current sound of music. To quote Def Leppard's Phil Collen "Everyone's still copying Britney Spears, it's really interesting. She actually started a huge trend and they're still trying to do this. I listen to the LA radio stations and there's all these girls singing about being a bad girl and all this stuff and it all wants to be Britney. It's very interesting".

 

Secondly, during the "In The Zone" era Britney touches upon sexuality in a way NOT many pop artists have done. And she continually does this in her new music "I Wanna Go" for example and "3". She is also one of the only artists who (like Janet did during "Velvet Rope", and P!nk during "M!zunderstood) touches upon personal subjects.

 

And the urban comment was simply me showing how versatile she was at that stage, a bubblegum pop singer furthering an urban sound (After the likes of "Slave").

 

Honestly, I'm not calling her revolutionary, but honestly she has kind of continued where Madonna left off (considering many of the reviews for "Hard Candy" called it a bad Britney album).

My ideal top 4:

01 Rihanna

02 Beyonce

03 Katy Perry

04 P!nk

 

Katy and Rihanna are pretty much the PERFECT popstars. I don't feel Katy has released enough material to be any higher though. Perhaps if she'd released as much material as Beyonce I'd place her at #2 instead. Rihanna is by FAR the strongest of the four left though imo...

Firstly you have no idea when her current audience started to follow her. Many like myself would have been there from the very beginning. From going to DC tours throughout the years the audience reception 'No No No' was much bigger then when they played 'Bills Bills Bills'. You are only 19 maybe that is why you havent heard it in a club, also the type of clubs you go to needs to be considered. Your posts are full of asumptions instead of facts - i think people will be considering her material with DC because she was the lead singer / songwriter / producer for the group!

 

Your also claiming that quantity should be considered over quality which is ridiculous considering that Britney has released 7 studio albums, pink has released 5 studio albums and Beyonce has releases 4 studio albums as a solo artist and 4 with DC so your argument doesnt hold up at all!

 

No, I don't know who her current audience is, or how long they've been an audience for, however her music is mainly targeted at young girls / young woman. I feel that the Beyonce fans will be thinking about "Sasha Fierce" and "Crazy In Love" when voting, rather than "No No No" and "With Me".

 

I'm not hating on Beyonce or DC, nor am I stating that her fanbase PROBABLY consists only of people who paid attention since "Bills Bills Bills" or "Crazy In Love". When you ask someone their favourite Beyonce song, their likely to say a solo number, rather than "My Time Has Come", for example. Whilst saying this, I'm sure there is probably a minority that have followed DC from the start and are still fans to this date. You must note I haven't said ANYWHERE she doesn't deserve to win this poll, she is clearly one of the hottest stars in the world right now, alongside Katy Perry, Rihanna etc.

 

My 'claim' about quantity over quality is non-existant, they are both in the same league. For example, perhaps my point is that artists like P!nk & Britney have essentially made their definitive albums, with Beyonce's albums I feel (less with "4"), that her albums are a little mixed up, there's always something missing. That's all. I'm a Beyonce fan though, I love her music A LOT. But you can't agree that one of her biggest hits is ESSENTIALLY a reworking of a great album track?

 

I'm honestly very happy Britney is at #5. :)

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Her sound isn't different to other pop stars, but she essentially is one of the forces behind the current sound of music. To quote Def Leppard's Phil Collen "Everyone's still copying Britney Spears, it's really interesting. She actually started a huge trend and they're still trying to do this. I listen to the LA radio stations and there's all these girls singing about being a bad girl and all this stuff and it all wants to be Britney. It's very interesting".

 

Secondly, during the "In The Zone" era Britney touches upon sexuality in a way NOT many pop artists have done. And she continually does this in her new music "I Wanna Go" for example and "3". She is also one of the only artists who (like Janet did during "Velvet Rope", and P!nk during "M!zunderstood) touches upon personal subjects.

 

And the urban comment was simply me showing how versatile she was at that stage, a bubblegum pop singer furthering an urban sound (After the likes of "Slave").

 

Honestly, I'm not calling her revolutionary, but honestly she has kind of continued where Madonna left off (considering many of the reviews for "Hard Candy" called it a bad Britney album).

 

OMG how can you say that she picked up where Madonna left off. She isnt in the same league. Britney albums arent that personal. She doesnt even contribute that much to her lyrics unlike Madonna, Pink, Janet etc etc.

 

 

I think the Top4 will be:

1) Rihanna

2) Beyonce

3) Katy Perry

4) P!nk

Her sound isn't different to other pop stars, but she essentially is one of the forces behind the current sound of music. To quote Def Leppard's Phil Collen "Everyone's still copying Britney Spears, it's really interesting. She actually started a huge trend and they're still trying to do this. I listen to the LA radio stations and there's all these girls singing about being a bad girl and all this stuff and it all wants to be Britney. It's very interesting".

 

Secondly, during the "In The Zone" era Britney touches upon sexuality in a way NOT many pop artists have done. And she continually does this in her new music "I Wanna Go" for example and "3". She is also one of the only artists who (like Janet did during "Velvet Rope", and P!nk during "M!zunderstood) touches upon personal subjects.

 

And the urban comment was simply me showing how versatile she was at that stage, a bubblegum pop singer furthering an urban sound (After the likes of "Slave").

 

Honestly, I'm not calling her revolutionary, but honestly she has kind of continued where Madonna left off (considering many of the reviews for "Hard Candy" called it a bad Britney album).

 

Erm, I'm not trying to start a certain old, tired fan-war but...Christina? Her and Pink have revealed a lot of their personal troubles and really sensitive subjects through their music while Britney has only moaned about the media in her songs.

 

Also, how does Britney touch upon sexuality in a way not many pop artists have done?

Erm, I'm not trying to start a certain old, tired fan-war but...Christina? Her and Pink have revealed a lot of their personal troubles and really sensitive subjects through their music while Britney has only moaned about the media in her songs.

 

Also, how does Britney touch upon sexuality in a way not many pop artists have done?

 

Oh, I actually forgot about "Stripped"/Christina. It must be a Linda Perry thing :)

 

Oh, I actually forgot about "Stripped"/Christina. It must be a Linda Perry thing :)

 

 

That's actually a really good Britney song, fair enough. But did she actually contribute much to that lyrically/musically? If she did, it's pretty impressive. But I still wouldn't put her work creatively in the same league as Stripped, M!sundaztood etc.

So she has a song about masturbation... so does P!nk. Christina has numerous songs dedicated solely to her vagina.

That's actually a really good Britney song, fair enough. But did she actually contribute much to that lyrically/musically? If she did, it's pretty impressive. But I still wouldn't put her work creatively in the same league as Stripped, M!sundaztood etc.

 

She co-wrote 8 out of 12 songs on that album.. and was the driving force behind them all. It is noted that she had the original "Toxic" and had it reworked with Bloodshy & Avent to have the version we have today.

 

 

I wouldn't want to compare her work to those two albums, as their very different. In a way Britney's work is more of a retrospect rather than baring all (which those two do so fantastically).

She co-wrote 8 out of 12 songs on that album.. and was the driving force behind them all. It is noted that she had the original "Toxic" and had it reworked with Bloodshy & Avent to have the version we have today.

I wouldn't want to compare her work to those two albums, as their very different. In a way Britney's work is more of a retrospect rather than baring all (which those two do so fantastically).

 

How was she the driving force behind them all ?

Aww poor Britney. Still I'm glad she climbed. And I dunno why people are so surprised P!nk is high, she did come 2nd last year!

So she has a song about masturbation... so does P!nk. Christina has numerous songs dedicated solely to her vagina.

 

You talking about Fingers? :heart:

U + Ur Hand surely?