I see this thread is still being used as a punch bag!

 

Oricon, the whole point of being a fan is to try and defend your chosen one from unfair criticism. For instance, I could say your signature is over the top and pointless but if you want to have two pictures of the same people so be it!

 

Torresgirl is just pointing out that Joe is a funny and delightful young man with a stupendous voice. And Regina (which is the latin for queen by the way) is defending his chosen singers - not quite sure who any of them are apart from Matt.

 

I like Joe, and Will Young and several other singers.

 

Utterly fascinating.

 

Plus, I absolutely hate Matt, I'd never defend him.

Edited October 5, 201113 yr by Regina

You can go and sly them all you want

 

Don't know what this means!

 

If you hate Matt why is he in your signature?

Edited October 5, 201113 yr by Compton

I am being ironic.

Don't know what this means!

 

If you hate Matt why is he in your signature?

 

It means you can go and say they're crap etc but I still wouldn't react like torresgirl AT ALL.

'Regina is the Latin for Queen' eh? Well if that was an insult then wtf? Yes, we all know Regina is the Queen of Queens <3

Regina Reginae?

 

Quid ergo hoc ad Classic?

 

Oculi

It means you can go and say they're crap etc but I still wouldn't react like torresgirl AT ALL.

 

LOL :yahoo: You mean with some class?

Although i dont like Joe's style of music all that much but i dont hate it either. What i do like is the point is he has proven really, record companies in general (not just syco) are too quick to drop people, artists just dont get the chance to develop anymore, once an album under performs they are dropped straight away. I think record companies need to give artists a chance to shine and develop, years ago artists werent dropped as quick.

 

Take That are a good example, their first few single were huge flops, if rca dropped them at that time we would probably have never heard of them and look how huge they turned out to be.,

'Regina is the Latin for Queen' eh? Well if that was an insult then wtf? Yes, we all know Regina is the Queen of Queens <3

 

Bow down before me.

Expecting Classic to break 200k sales this week :cheer:

Glad this album is doing alot better then his debut! :)

Classic has done so much better than i ever thought it would, to be honest when his debut underperfomed so badly i was sure we wouldnt see another album from him. The upcoming christmas album could so ok for him aswell but it will be interesting to see what he will do after that.

I'm glad that Joe has found a niche for himself, as the artist he wanted to be just didn't work, Scissor sisters and Mika knock offs, very disapointing. I hope he proves me wrong but I don't think he has much of a future aunless he reinvents himself againnd I'll tell you why... Joe had great exposure on that opera show which led to great sales but he'll struggle to get his profile as high again. I bet alot of people still think of Joe as a flop and that's becuase he hasn't had a big hit single. He really needs a big hit. I doubt there's longevity in the classical music stuff, so he should have a rethink and bring out some more pop stuff in a different style. He'll have a job on his hands to overturn public perception but if Darius can do it then Joe certainly can! He's not doing himself any favours releasing an album in the same week as Olly's album could get to number 1 though, I've seen a few articles mentioning that battle already and Jimmy Carr bigging up Olly over Joe on primetime tv doesn't help. He deserves success, good luck to him.

Edited November 26, 201113 yr by BuzzLightyear

I'm glad that Joe has found a niche for himself, as the artist he wanted to be just didn't work, Scissor sisters and Mika knock offs, very disapointing. I hope he proves me wrong but I don't think he has much of a future aunless he reinvents himself againnd I'll tell you why... Joe had great exposure on that opera show which led to great sales but he'll struggle to get his profile as high again. I bet alot of people still think of Joe as a flop and that's becuase he hasn't had a big hit single. He really needs a big hit. I doubt there's longevity in the classical music stuff, so he should have a rethink and bring out some more pop stuff in a different style. He'll have a job on his hands to overturn public perception but if Darius can do it then Joe certainly can! He's not doing himself any favours releasing an album in the same week as Olly's album could get to number 1 though, I've seen a few articles mentioning that battle already and Jimmy Carr bigging up Olly over Joe on primetime tv doesn't help. He deserves success, good luck to him.

 

I don't think Joe has much to worry about to be fair. His record company are looking after him very well, his tour is going great & he's winning people over by the day. I don't think Joe needs to be in the Itunes Top 10 to be doing well either. He's sold over 200,000 albums without releasing a single and is building a very loyal fanbase. The singles chart is so fickle and very few songs stick around long. The kind of contacts his record company are giving him will secure a steady career for him. He has Rolando dueting with him on his new album and is already booked to play 5 nights at the O2 as part of the Nutcracker in December. Its also silly comparing him to Olly apart from what I think of their respective abilities, they hit a completely different audience. Olly appealing mostly to teenagers and kids (Is this why hes appearing with the Muppets? :) ) I still can't believe that! And Joe is in the main for a much more sophisticated older audience. Its nice his younger fans have stayed around through his Classic era though. Also PSTOS is not the XF. It got about 3 million viewers at peak and Joes album came out almost 7 weeks after he won and is still selling quite steadily. Its not like XF with the big hype and the single coming out after the final.

Suddenly all your anti Olly posts make sense torresgirl, a Joe fan! I'll name you a song that's stuck around in the charts for a long time (27 this week)... Heart skips a beat. Done wonders for Olly's profile and broke him into the European market. I don't know why Olly is appearing with the muppets (but the headline writers have loved it), it could be a good move though now you mention it, could solidify the kiddie fanbase. It's probably more to do with them giving Simon a wad of cash to promote their film tbh. He has wide appeal though, the same kind of demographic appeal as Take That. I think Joe handed him alot of young fans on a plate after coming out, then PDLMG giving them a good excuse to jump ship before Joe even got started. 200k is good, as long as we don't compare Joe to Olly then he's done well. They were both going for the same audience, it took just a little longer to find his.

Joe still holding on in the the top 50 and his sales are well past 200,000 now which is great for him.

Suddenly all your anti Olly posts make sense torresgirl, a Joe fan! I'll name you a song that's stuck around in the charts for a long time (27 this week)... Heart skips a beat. Done wonders for Olly's profile and broke him into the European market. I don't know why Olly is appearing with the muppets (but the headline writers have loved it), it could be a good move though now you mention it, could solidify the kiddie fanbase. It's probably more to do with them giving Simon a wad of cash to promote their film tbh. He has wide appeal though, the same kind of demographic appeal as Take That. I think Joe handed him alot of young fans on a plate after coming out, then PDLMG giving them a good excuse to jump ship before Joe even got started. 200k is good, as long as we don't compare Joe to Olly then he's done well. They were both going for the same audience, it took just a little longer to find his.

 

I agree if Joe hadn't come out he would have been on a lot more bedroom walls. Teenagers and kids can be cruel about these things. I don't agree however they were going for the same audience. Or should I say he shouldn't have been going for the same audience. Joe is wasted on the pop charts, Wide Awake is a great album very underrated but it didn't showcase what he can do. We all know with most pop stars singing well or having a great voice isn't the main concern and its all to do with image and promotion, making a good video etc. I still think despite his success at the moment. (Remember its only been a year since Ollys debut) Joe will outlast him overall. Who knows where they will both be in 5-10 years time. Classic might not sell as many as Ollys new album (in fact it wont) but I don't really care as from what I'm seeing he is gaining fans all the time for his amazing live performances and he wil continue to grow. I've just came back from his gig at the Royal festival hall, standing ovations mid song, had to wait 2 hours in line to speak to him after. His vocal ability is stunning. Its gonna take time to recover fully from the Syco debacle but he's clawing it back bit by bit.

Edited November 28, 201113 yr by torresgirl

I don't know who will last longer but Olly's star is gonna shine brighter while he's successful and Joe will have to last a hell of alot longer to match his sales. Olly's first album will end up selling more than all three of Joe's put together and his second will probably sell more than the first. Joe is only young, he could become some kind of Michael Ball character and do musicals etc, he might become a national treasure type, I could see that. He's getting more promotion at his current label, I saw an ad for his album on primetime ITV so the pressure is really on him to make the label some money back on their investment. In any case it's nice that he's getting backed eh. It depends on what Joe does really, he should have tried doing Will Young stuff, I could see him singing Jealousy and songs like that. Songs that pander to the radio 2 audience that Joe seems to appeal to, it's a lucrative market. Does he have the personality/right tone in his voice for pop songs though, I dunno. I think it'd be worth another crack at that but I don't know if his label are any good at that kind of record. Whoever is looking after Will Young, that's who Joe needs onside.

I don't know who will last longer but Olly's star is gonna shine brighter while he's successful and Joe will have to last a hell of alot longer to match his sales. Olly's first album will end up selling more than all three of Joe's put together and his second will probably sell more than the first. Joe is only young, he could become some kind of Michael Ball character and do musicals etc, he might become a national treasure type, I could see that. He's getting more promotion at his current label, I saw an ad for his album on primetime ITV so the pressure is really on him to make the label some money back on their investment. In any case it's nice that he's getting backed eh. It depends on what Joe does really, he should have tried doing Will Young stuff, I could see him singing Jealousy and songs like that. Songs that pander to the radio 2 audience that Joe seems to appeal to, it's a lucrative market. Does he have the personality/right tone in his voice for pop songs though, I dunno. I think it'd be worth another crack at that but I don't know if his label are any good at that kind of record. Whoever is looking after Will Young, that's who Joe needs onside.

 

I understand what you are saying re the sales but to me its irrelevant as I look much more long term. How many artists have really successful debut and second albums 2 or 3 years and then fade. The only point I'm trying to make is that with Joe's vocal range he has so many things he can explore. He could star in musicals in future but has said it's not for him right now. He's also been told he's good enough to train for Opera. Its not all about the charts for me. These kind of artists are never in the singles charts but they have solid fanbases who go and watch them sing live etc, which is where he excels. Did you see the Olly interview today where he said he is going to try and stay in TV because his pop career can only last so long? He knows himself that the novelty will wear off soon (Not a slur on him but a sensible thing to say as even the biggest pop stars have their time) . At the mo his exposure is crazy, an xf and xtra factor performance to promote the album not to mention the exposure of presenting the show persee. Its exposure on a level that cannot continue forever. I really see his career path taking a similar one to Cheryl Coles. Of course I don't have a crystal ball just a scenario i feel is possible.

 

Major coup for Joe today . Radio 1 played a song off his christmas album LOL. Whats gotten into them :) I don't expect CC to sell as many as Classic though. I wouldn't buy a Christmas album if he wasn't singing it. Luckily its more classy than cheesy. More carols than christmas "songs". I also think it will sell more 2nd 3rd week of release than when it debuts. Apart from the ad he hasn't had any promo that I know of but some coming in December.

 

I was front row last night & it was quite a sight to look behind seeing a packed hall all standing, some crying at Joe's performance. I never thought 6 months ago I would see that. I always knew he was capable of it though. I'm very happy for him. Whatever our respective opinions (or diiferences of) I hope you may agree Joe and Universal deserve a lot of credit for what they have done. Not many such high profile people get dropped like Joe did and turn it around.

 

Review here (hope we are allowed to post links) http://entertainment-focus.com/music/artic...val-hall-london

Edited November 28, 201113 yr by torresgirl

Cheryl Cole will still sell well when she returns tbh, she's by no means finished, I don't think they're really comparable apart from being helped by a tv show, she had alot more exposure than Olly anyway. Besides Olly will always have the annual X Factor performance, should tide him over.

 

I didn't see that interview, who was that with? The thing is, contrary to what some people think, Olly has something of an inferiority complex and he sets low targets. The last one I heard him set was a couple more arena tours after this one, which he'll easily get, that's what keeps him humble I suppose. But he's going to have a better career than he thinks. I do think Olly beng involved with music programmes would stand him in good stead though. If TOTP came back for example that'd be perfect for him to maintain his profile. He's definately thinking of his music first from what I've heard from him in his interviews, I think he has alot left in the tank yet.

 

Yes I just saw that got played on radio 1, quite a coup for him, I was shocked tbh! Universal's radio pluggers doing their thing, their artists seem well looked after. As for credit, Joe deserved credit for having the balls to put himself through another reality show. It's easy to sing covers though, you can churn out album after album with little effort. I'm sure you'd rather he came out with original material. It was opportunism from the record company although very shrewd. He's definately turned it around from a sales perspective which is the most important factor, selling more than the likes of the hyped Cher, but his public perception is gonna need a lot of work. Did you see 8 out of 10 cats the other week? Slagged off on that. And he was basically ignored in favour of Olly on Live at the Apollo. He's a nice guy, he doesn't deserve bad treatment.