Ultimately that is what they are, nail on head.

 

They were not an organised structured rebel army they were a bunch of local militia's and vigilantes all with a common goal so I maintain that the decision to execute Gadhafi was taken at local level not by the NTC.

 

Well, if the NTC have no control over them, what the fukk do you think is gonna happen now...? Like I say, Iraq Version 2.0.

 

Like it or not, Ghadafi was a stabilizing influence over Libya, Libya was a functional state... In fact, it was one of the highest functioning states in Africa... A model, one could say, for the continent as a whole.... The WEST dont like him, because he wasn't going to let corporations come in and rape the oil wealth... Which, is now what they're doing with France getting a sweet deal for 35% of Libyan oil wealth... This is fukkin' carve-up.. Echoes of the 19th Century old Imperialist "Scramble for Africa"... And these NTC rats and traitors have basically fukked the Libyan people by allowing the French and other Western Capitalist looters to come in and take what they want....

 

This is not a time to celebrate in my view.... The Libyan people are not free, merely replaced one dictator (who was at least spreading the wealth as I have PROVEN with articles I have quoted) with another Western-Capitalist backed dictator or flunkie.. Do you actually think the Western Corporations are going to allow Ghadafi's rather Socialist-sounding re-distribution of wealth to continue...? In a pig's eye....

Well, if the NTC have no control over them, what the fukk do you think is gonna happen now...? Like I say, Iraq Version 2.0.

 

Like it or not, Ghadafi was a stabilizing influence over Libya, Libya was a functional state... In fact, it was one of the highest functioning states in Africa... A model, one could say, for the continent as a whole.... The WEST dont like him, because he wasn't going to let corporations come in and rape the oil wealth... Which, is now what they're doing with France getting a sweet deal for 35% of Libyan oil wealth... This is fukkin' carve-up.. Echoes of the 19th Century old Imperialist "Scramble for Africa"... And these NTC rats and traitors have basically fukked the Libyan people by allowing the French and other Western Capitalist looters to come in and take what they want....

 

This is not a time to celebrate in my view.... The Libyan people are not free, merely replaced one dictator (who was at least spreading the wealth as I have PROVEN with articles I have quoted) with another Western-Capitalist backed dictator or flunkie.. Do you actually think the Western Corporations are going to allow Ghadafi's rather Socialist-sounding re-distribution of wealth to continue...? In a pig's eye....

 

I think it has the potential to be Iraq II sadly, I can see the various rebel groups turning on each other and a possible civil war not to mention Saif Al Arab if he is still alive and having access to Ghadafi's wealth could cause a lot of trouble still and have the resources to mount a future coup attempt. Things will get worse before they get better.

 

I share your concern about Libya but at the same time shed no tears at the demise of the colonel.

 

I think it has the potential to be Iraq II sadly, I can see the various rebel groups turning on each other and a possible civil war not to mention Saif Al Arab if he is still alive and having access to Ghadafi's wealth could cause a lot of trouble still and have the resources to mount a future coup attempt. Things will get worse before they get better.

 

I share your concern about Libya but at the same time shed no tears at the demise of the colonel.

 

Well, considering that since Saddam was removed in 2003, about 1.5 million Iraqis have died as a direct result, then, you may actually regret that we removed Ghadafi, who was frankly nowhere near as big a murderer or tyrant as plenty of others that we happily support (eg, such as Saudi Arabia where they publically flog women for committing the terrible crime of *GASP* driving a car).... I was like you, I believed all the propaganda about Ghadafi, but then I woke up to the facts that I learned from far more trustworthy and independent sources than BBC, CNN, Fox or the mainstream western media....

 

Make no mistake, we WILL end up regretting this just as we regretted Iraq and Afghanistan...

 

Given the choice between a Socialist dictator or a Crazed bunch of Religious Fundamentalists.... I'll take Socialism anyday....

Well, considering that since Saddam was removed in 2003, about 1.5 million Iraqis have died as a direct result, then, you may actually regret that we removed Ghadafi, who was frankly nowhere near as big a murderer or tyrant as plenty of others that we happily support (eg, such as Saudi Arabia where they publically flog women for committing the terrible crime of *GASP* driving a car).... I was like you, I believed all the propaganda about Ghadafi, but then I woke up to the facts that I learned from far more trustworthy and independent sources than BBC, CNN, Fox or the mainstream western media....

 

Make no mistake, we WILL end up regretting this just as we regretted Iraq and Afghanistan...

 

Given the choice between a Socialist dictator or a Crazed bunch of Religious Fundamentalists.... I'll take Socialism anyday....

No they don't. Her sentence was quashed.

 

It might be more relevant to bring up Bahrain where they have imprisoned nurses for treating people who have been shot by the regime's goons for daring to stage a protest. Nurses, in other words, who are doing their job.

No they don't. Her sentence was quashed.

 

It might be more relevant to bring up Bahrain where they have imprisoned nurses for treating people who have been shot by the regime's goons for daring to stage a protest. Nurses, in other words, who are doing their job.

 

The fact that they actually sentenced her in the first place is surely bad enough though...

 

I agree on Bharain though... We almost had the Crown Prince at Wills and Kate's wedding didn't we...? Lovely.... :rolleyes:

The fact that they actually sentenced her in the first place is surely bad enough though...

 

I agree on Bharain though... We almost had the Crown Prince at Wills and Kate's wedding didn't we...? Lovely.... :rolleyes:

Of course the sentence was barbaric. I just like to make sure we get our facts right.

And, basically, this is why the West couldn't afford Ghadafi going on trial in the Hague...

 

The Man Who Knew Too Much

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011..._much?page=full

Libyans may be celebrating the killing of Muammar al-Qaddafi, but you'd better believe that Western governments are breathing a sigh of relief themselves

 

Whether the NATO countries -- who had only a few years ago welcomed Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi back into the international fold in exchange for his renouncing his chemical and nuclear weapons programs and allowing U.S. and British experts to come and help dismantle them -- played any role in what certainly appeared in first reports from the scene to have been the summary execution of the Libyan dictator will probably never be known. What the video evidence does prove is that the Libyan revolutionary forces did not find him already dead or killed by a NATO airstrike; nor does the initial claim that he was killed in "crossfire" between insurgent forces and diehard regime loyalists stand up to even the most minimal scrutiny.

 

NATO does acknowledge that its planes bombarded the convoy in which Qaddafi was fleeing the city of Sirte shortly before it was intercepted on the ground by the insurgents, but it has denied it even knew he was there. If that is true, and the French, British, and Americans did not try to make their own luck, then they certainly were very lucky indeed.

 

Qaddafi was, quite simply, a man who knew too much. Taken alive, he would have almost certainly have been handed over to the International Criminal Court (ICC), which had indicted him -- along with his son, Saif al-Islam, and brother-in-law and military intelligence chief Abdullah Senussi (whereabouts unknown) -- for crimes against humanity in late June. Imagine the stir he would have made in The Hague. There, along with any number of fantasies and false accusations, he would almost certainly have revealed the extent of his intimate relations with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the details of his government's collaboration with Western intelligence services in counterterrorism, with the European Union in limiting migration from Libyan shores, and in the granting of major contracts to big Western oil and construction firms.

 

He would have had much to tell, for this cooperation was extensive. In the war against the jihadis -- a war to which Qaddafi regularly claimed to be as committed to prosecuting as Washington, Paris, or London -- links between Libyan intelligence and the CIA were particularly strong, as an archive of secret documents unearthed by Human Rights Watch researchers has revealed. If anything, the CIA's British counterpart, MI6, was even more involved with the Qaddafi family. As the Guardian reported in early September, it was Sir Mark Allen, then the director of the counterterrorism section of MI6, the British overseas spying agency, who was the key figure on the Western side in the secret negotiations to get Qaddafi to give up his WMD programs. The Guardian story further laid out how, after failing to become director of MI6 in 2004, Allen went into the private sector, becoming a senior advisor to the Monitor Group, a consulting firm that was paid huge fees by Qaddafi to burnish his image around the world, and, while they were at it, helped Saif (who had been his father's initial envoy to MI6) research his PhD thesis for the London School of Economics (LSE). Allen was also an advisor to BP, helping the oil giant secure major contracts in Libya from the Qaddafi regime.

 

The idea that Allen was the only senior Western official to establish such close ties with the Libyan dictator and his family is ludicrous. To the contrary, both the British and French governments were soon falling all over themselves to curry favor with a newly "respectable" Qaddafi. The Daily Mail reproduced a facsimile of the letter that, while prime minister, Tony Blair wrote to Saif Qaddafi to help him with his research for his LSE doctorate. Both during Blair's premiership and that of his successor, Gordon Brown, Britain aggressively pursued sales of military equipment, up to and including warships, to the Libyan regime, and sent members of the elite Special Air Service (SAS, the equivalent of the U.S. Delta Force) to help train Qaddafi's forces in counterterrorism tactics. Not to be outdone, Sarkozy, to the consternation even of many members of his own cabinet, invited Qaddafi to Paris in Dec. 2007, for an official state visit, the upshot of which was billions of dollars in contracts from Libya won by French firms.

 

To be sure, when the Libyan uprising began, it was Sarkozy who was the driving force behind the NATO intervention that -- though it was ostensibly carrying out United Nations Security Council resolutions to protect Libyan civilians from Qaddafi and his forces under the new doctrine of the Responsibility to Protect (R2P) -- soon far exceeded its mandate. The Libya intervention revealed itself to be based on the premise that, in Libya at least, R2P and regime change could be one and the same. Moreover, from the beginning of the air campaign, NATO warplanes repeatedly targeted Qaddafi, his sons, and their families. As early as May, General Sir David Richards, the chief of the British defense staff (that is, the equivalent of our head of the Joint Chiefs), told the Daily Telegraph that while NATO was not targeting Qaddafi directly, "If it happened that he was in a command and control center that was hit by NATO and he was killed, then that is within the rules."

 

Many outside observers were convinced even at the time that NATO was in fact desperately hoping to kill Qaddafi since it was clear by then -- especially during a period when the tide seemed to shift back and forth between Qaddafi's forces and the rebels -- that he would not relinquish power, no matter what offers were made to him in exchange for doing so. Their suspicions were confirmed when a member of the U.S. House Armed Services Committee, Congressman Mike Turner (R-Ohio), revealed that he had been told by Admiral Samuel Locklear, the U.S. officer commanding NATO's Joint Operations Command in Naples, Italy, that NATO forces actually were actively targeting Qaddafi.

 

Qaddafi's death in such a strike would have offered a neat ending then for the West and for the Libyan insurgency, many of whose leaders, it should be remembered, served Qaddafi long and faithfully, enjoying his favors for much of their careers. Qaddafi certainly knew enough about their sins to make the prospect of what he might say during a trial before the ICC a cause for anxiety. His death, coming as it seems to have done, at the hands of Libyans rather than NATO, makes an even neater ending now.

 

Qaddafi is dead, the Arab Spring has one more jewel in its crown, and the doctrine of humanitarian military intervention, whose reputation has rather faded of late, seems to have acquired a whole new bloom. The Arab masses thirsting for democracy, the Western powers using their power in support of this morally irreproachable goal -- what could be more edifying?

 

And so, ever since it became clear that Qaddafi's reign was over, the great and the good have been indulging themselves in an orgy of self-congratulation. Qaddafi alive would have been the ghost at that particular banquet, threatening at any moment to spoil the fun. Dead, he poses no such threat. It is unlikely that even the thorough investigation into the circumstances of his death that has been called for by Navi Pillay, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, and seconded by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, will change this fundamental equation. And even if Qaddafi was not targeted and, as Omran al-Oweib, the electrical engineer-turned-rebel leader who commanded the forces that finally caught up with Qaddafi in a tunnel just outside Sirte, continues to insist, really was killed in a crossfire, leaders like Sarkozy, Blair, Brown, and the Bush State Department must surely be sleeping better these last few nights. Whether they deserve to is another question entirely.

So, do you need anymore proof that we're backing a bunch of crazed Islamist Fundie psychopaths who are responsible for cold-blooded murder and torture......? Well, strap yourselves in and watch this stuff (WARNING - CONTAINS PRETTY DISTURBING IMAGES).....

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-201...-after-capture/

 

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/re...-gaddafi-sodomy

 

Evidently it wasn't enough to beat and murder Quaddafi as a POW - or to showcase his body as a grisly and sadistic spectacle for 5 days in a shopping center. New video has emerged that clearly shows NATO rebels SODOMIZING a screaming Ghadafi with a bayonette as they chant 'Allahu Akbar' and fire their guns in the air.

 

Evidently the NATO rebels who tortured and murdered Quaddafi belong to the self-named 'Purge Black Skins, Slave' bridge from Misurata, who have been accused of systematic ethnic cleansing and genocide of entire towns of black Libyans and African migrant workers.

 

These are the people that NATO has militarily enthroned in Libya. That should tell you something about their real motivations and intentions.

 

It sends a clear message - this is the fate that awaits all those who resist US/Western Hegemony. Never forgive and never forget... -_-

 

http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-ex...ap-others-20586

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/29/...n20099014.shtml

 

(the above is for the evidence of Libyan "rebels" executing and persecuting black immigrants...)

Christ ALMIGHTY. That's beyond disturbing.

Christ ALMIGHTY. That's beyond disturbing.

 

Indeed... So, if anyone thought that this lot are gonna be any better than Ghadafi and Sons... Think again.... In fact, considering the NTC and NATO backed rebels just imposed Sharia Law, I think it just got worse.....