I don't have to explain anything to anyone. I support the death penalty and you and Scott and many others don't. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion and me mine.

 

Its just a pity about those pesky ones that get through the net! You know - the ones we find out years later were innocent after all! I suppose its just tough luck.

 

I used to believe firmly in the death penalty (parent pressure - its what they believed in) but I just can't justify it now. I believe that prison time should be 'hard labour' but not in the death penalty.

 

IF I were to believe in it however - there has to be something more humane than lethal injection. To clinically watch someone die slowly with witnesses is just inhuman.

 

Kath

As I said earlier in this thread, he was only tried by a jury once. All the other institutions which pronounced him guilty were part of the establishment. The very establishment whose integrity was being questioned.

 

 

Spot on... The Establishment investigates the Establishment and give a clean bill of health to.....The Establishment..... This would actually be funny if it wasn't so utterly tragic..... <_<

I'm a huge supporter of the Death Penalty and wish it was brought back here. I applaud all the US states that still have it. You kill and you deserve to be killed.

 

The Death Penalty is nothing more than state-sanctioned vigilanteism.... Look at Norway, if any country would have the right to demand the death penalty it's surely the Norwegians after the horrors of Utoya Island and yet, not a SINGLE Norwegian person that I've heard wants the death of Anders Breivik... Now, THAT is a decent, humane and egalitarian society..... A society that believes in hard-core rehabilitation of offenders.... And, no, it's not a "soft option", not if it's done properly... Norway, by the way, has one of the lowest rates of recidivism of ANY developed country..... Norway SHAMES America and Britain too....

 

I usually hesitate to say this about anyone who has an opinion contrary to mine but anyone who supports the death penalty is genuinely moronic. As has already been pointed out, it's entirely unethical and illogical and I actually see it as an easy way out for many offenders who would have had life imprisonment. On top of all of this; every study ever conducted on the matter has proven that following an execution, violent crime in the area briefly falls slightly before beginning to rise again pretty soon after. US states that don't enforce it have seen falling murder rates for years. In simpler terms, the death penalty DOES NOT WORK as a deterrent as for all the supposed "fear" it instils in people which sees crime rates momentarily drop that effect is massively outweighed by a more permanent rise in crime because (presumably) having the death penalty subconscious tells people that killing is okay. If it doesn't even work, why the f*** would you ever need it?

 

Now, I hope that wasn't too many words for you Chris...

I usually hesitate to say this about anyone who has an opinion contrary to mine but anyone who supports the death penalty is genuinely moronic. As has already been pointed out, it's entirely unethical and illogical and I actually see it as an easy way out for many offenders who would have had life imprisonment. On top of all of this; every study ever conducted on the matter has proven that following an execution, violent crime in the area briefly falls slightly before beginning to rise again pretty soon after. US states that don't enforce it have seen falling murder rates for years. In simpler terms, the death penalty DOES NOT WORK as a deterrent as for all the supposed "fear" it instils in people which sees crime rates momentarily drop that effect is massively outweighed by a more permanent rise in crime because (presumably) having the death penalty subconscious tells people that killing is okay. If it doesn't even work, why the f*** would you ever need it?

 

Now, I hope that wasn't too many words for you Chris...

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Dude, as Moderator I cannot possibly condone such bitchiness..... Have a virtual spanked bottom.... ;)

Well I sure trust them rather than a bunch of idiots on FB who suddenly "know" he was innocent. :rolleyes: Theyre just sheep jumping on a bandwagon.

Even though seven of the nine key prosecution witnesses have now changed their story?

 

I don't have to explain anything to anyone. I support the death penalty and you and Scott and many others don't. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion and me mine.

So, once again, you have stated an opinion and refuse to answer any questions about it. No change there then.

I usually hesitate to say this about anyone who has an opinion contrary to mine but anyone who supports the death penalty is genuinely moronic. As has already been pointed out, it's entirely unethical and illogical and I actually see it as an easy way out for many offenders who would have had life imprisonment. On top of all of this; every study ever conducted on the matter has proven that following an execution, violent crime in the area briefly falls slightly before beginning to rise again pretty soon after. US states that don't enforce it have seen falling murder rates for years. In simpler terms, the death penalty DOES NOT WORK as a deterrent as for all the supposed "fear" it instils in people which sees crime rates momentarily drop that effect is massively outweighed by a more permanent rise in crime because (presumably) having the death penalty subconscious tells people that killing is okay. If it doesn't even work, why the f*** would you ever need it?

 

Now, I hope that wasn't too many words for you Chris...

Quite right. You've missed one other argument. One of the reasons the death penalty was abolished is that juries were becoming increasingly reluctant to convict. Whatever anyone says about the death penalty, if you are a juror potentially deciding whether someone lives or dies, you are bound to hesitate before voting to convict.

 

The same applies to any case where the potential punishment might be seen as too severe, particularly a penalty which is irreversible. In my opinion, it is one of the reasons why the conviction rate for rape is so low. If the case rests on whether the alleged victim consented to sex, jurors are faced with deciding whether the alleged rapist should face a prison sentence (well over 90% of convicted rapists go to jail) and spend the rest of their life as a registered sex offender. That wouldn't worry most jurors in a case where someone has gone out with the intention to rape a stranger (what Ken Clarke infamously described as "proper rape") but would cause a lot of people to hesitate in a case of "date rape" to use that horrible term.