He's been an outside contender for the job before, and I think now is the only time that it makes any kind of sense for him to take over when our pre-tournament expectations are lower than any other time in the last 20 years.

 

As for his time at Liverpool, his win % was higher than Dalglish's has been this season so how much does that tell you?

 

What it tells me is stats aren't everything. Everyone has messed up at Liverpool this season. Recruitment, tactics, players on the field etc. been a big mess. At the end of the day the table doesn't lie, But Liverpool have missed 5/6 penalties and hit the woodwork 31 times this season. 31. We've had a poor season, but we don't be like we have been this season next. I'll tell you that now. We tried to change too much, bought the wrong players. That's what's constituted to Liverpool's downfall this season. Plus the inability to find a covering player for Lucas and a goalscorer.

 

Last season Kenny and Woy had the same squad pretty much (okay torres and babel for suarez and carroll). But still. Kenny had a much better win rate than Roy. The fact is nobody wants Roy. The players, the fans, the media. At Liverpool he was a media appointment, everyone thought he'd be great but he was abysmal.

 

At Liverpool Roy:

 

1) Was too busy being pally with Fergie to defend his own player against wrong accusations of diving

2) Thought 442 was the same tactically as 4231

3) Publically criticised players going through bad patches of form (Torres, Johnson)

4) Seperated Liverpool's squad in to an A and a B team

5) Would never criticse any players such as Carragher and Gerrard. The blame always lied with somebody else

6) Alientated out best footballing centre back Agger

7) Thought Poulsen was a better midfielder than Lucas

8) Spent money on Paul Konchesky

9) Tried to play Torres as a target man

10) Thought wins over minnows were great victories

 

I could go on and on. The man is an idiot. He can't deal with any sort of pressure. The thing is everyone thinks we should be fading alot of the older players out in favour of new players, but that won't happen with Hodgson. Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Terry, Cole, Crouch, Zamora will all continue to play football under Woy because that's his style. We might have low expectations, but putting this man in charge is not the answer. I'm not a great England fan, but it still saddens me to see our entire hope rest of a clueless baffon. Of course this all could be wrong, but I highly doubt it. I saw enough of Roy in 6 months to know his limit these days is mid table medocrity. What's even funnier is before Christmas all the WBA fans were wanting him out. They've hit an decent spell of form and now he's suddenly England's best hope. Laughable!

Perhaps we should have gone for Roberto Di Matteo. Technically out of contract in summer, cheap and can get a disorganised and demoralised bunch of fading stars to play well and as a team.

 

Not an entirely serious suggestion but probably better than Hodgson

The Liverpool comparisons are all fair, but the expectations of Liverpool fans when Hodgson took over seem to me like those of England fans up until recently - deluded into thinking they're up there with the best of them. That's why I think the appointment would have been wrong at any other time, but now our expectations are that much lower it could actually work. I'm not entirely happy about it and I still didn't see why the FA were so insistent on an English manager when they're obviously convinced none of them fit the bill but I'm waiting until after the Euros to make my judgement.

Hodgson's time a Liverpool was unspectacular for many reasons but that is in the past. If he is the FA's appointment what the public, media and players need to do is get behind him and the team and judge him only after the tournament. He's about the only English candidate with big tournament experience which could be an advantage. Of course the England team is full of players with over inflated opinions of themselves (much like Liverpool) and I'm not convinced he's good at dealing with them. He can get underachievers to play well together and England are certainly that. All in all it could be better but it could be worse.

 

Remember everybody was screaming for Brian Clough when they gave it to Bobby Robson who was never a popular choice and he was our most succesful manager tournament wise since Sir Alf Ramsey.

 

For me the juries still out on this one

The Liverpool comparisons are all fair, but the expectations of Liverpool fans when Hodgson took over seem to me like those of England fans up until recently - deluded into thinking they're up there with the best of them. That's why I think the appointment would have been wrong at any other time, but now our expectations are that much lower it could actually work. I'm not entirely happy about it and I still didn't see why the FA were so insistent on an English manager when they're obviously convinced none of them fit the bill but I'm waiting until after the Euros to make my judgement.

 

Liverpool fans expectations were not so bad. We'd had a bad season, but a lot of that was down to the board room issues. Of course they affected Hodgson, but not to the dgerees the media and he himself would have you believe. I don't think England fans expectations are lower, and they certainly are not in the media. The bigger problem is Roy is media savvy, so a lot of his friends in the media won't criticise him when he does poor. We don't have a bad set of players just a bunch of egos. There's another fantastic set of young players coming through, a lot of them are naturally technically gifted aswell. The thought of Roy managing these players is sickening.

 

The media are so existent on an England manager. We're discriminatory as a country it's unreal. Forced out Sven and got McLaren who was an unmitigated disaster. Now we're forced out the world class Capello for a manager who has won f*** all apart from in Scandanavia and has failed at every big club he's been in. A Liverpool fan on Twitter put this. Quite true, although admittedly biased on several points.

 

1) His cv, over a long period of time is mediocre. No major trophies in 36 years. Failed spectacularly in every big job.

2) Utterly shameless self promoter. Makes big sam look like Paisley. Takes any and all credit going for everything possible

3) Blames everyone else for anything that goes wrong. In fact, throws colleagues and players under the f***ing bus. Contradicts himself daily depending on who he's talking to. Treats fans with contempt-Walking example of Peter principle

4) Judges his own performance ENTIRELY based on what the press think of him. Well done there. You've shown that it works.

5) In the 6mths he managed LFC, do you know how many good performances the team managed? Clue, it's less than 1.

6) He managed Blackburn when they had the most expensive team in the PL. In the season he was sacked, they were relegated.

7) his successor at B'burn improved on Hodgson's record but they were still relegated.

8 ) in 2012 money, he spent 17m on Kevin Davies.

9) In 2012 money, he spent 12.9m on Christian Dailly.

10) he spent 10m (tpi) on Martin Dahlin and Anders Anderson.

11) 10.5m(tpi) on Nathan Blake.

12) His win % at big spending Blackburn? 35%. that's not mediocre, it's f***ing crap.

13) His win % at European juggernaut Inter Milan? 44 %. Disastrous.

14) His win % at Liverpool? 35%. worst of modern era. Even KD's dreadful league form doesn't compare(ignoring 2 cup finals).

15) In week Britains most successful club was on verge of administration, described fan protest against owners as unhelpful.

16) After being sacked for failing as UAE coach, described players of that nation as "basically lazy".Nice - That was in 2002.

17) "Are you from Denmark?"-"no Norway"-"Ah, 2 countries I never want to work in again"<-Good for LFCs Scandinavian fanbase.

18) Career win % of 38%. 36 years is not a small sample.

19) http://a.yfrog.com/img611/841/kkgd.jpg - tactical genius.

20) "I'll give you two examples; Lucas Leiva and Martin Skrtel. When I came to the club many were saying Liverpool needed better than that. But just by working with them and getting behind them and showing you believe in them, they become the players you want them to be."

21) He is bestie mates with Patrick Barclay

22) On day he was unveiled as LFC boss, spoke about getting England job. when unveiled by FA, will talk about becoming PM.

23) "I never thoight it was a realistic option for (double winning and 4 time title winning manager) Kenny".

24) Paul Konchesky, Christian Poulsen.

25) "Joe Cole isn't a signing I can take credit for" <- 6 months after posing for photos shaking his hand in an LFC shirt.

26) When asked about arch enemies Man Utd bidding for Torres "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" <- Churchillian.

27) "Ronaldinho and Suarez are players who we have never even thought about". 1 year later "“Yes we looked at Suárez,”. “Kenny also saw him play. Kenny was doing a lot of scouting alongside me". Note that Cole, a player he signed, wasn't his fault, but Suarez, a player he didn't, was his "parting gift".

28) Sold Roberto Carlos who, as we all know, was rubbish.

29) Stoke City went 2 1/2 yrs after joining the PL w/out having more than 50% possession in a game. Until vs RH's LFC->64%!

30) Btw, regarding point 29, if he surrendered 64% possession to Stoke City, good luck against Spain at the Euros.

 

Liverpool fans expectations were not so bad. We'd had a bad season, but a lot of that was down to the board room issues. Of course they affected Hodgson, but not to the dgerees the media and he himself would have you believe. I don't think England fans expectations are lower, and they certainly are not in the media. The bigger problem is Roy is media savvy, so a lot of his friends in the media won't criticise him when he does poor. We don't have a bad set of players just a bunch of egos. There's another fantastic set of young players coming through, a lot of them are naturally technically gifted aswell. The thought of Roy managing these players is sickening.

 

The lower expectations are of him, the more confident I'd be of us doing well and I'm feeling more optimistic already :lol:

Not saying I support Hodgson as manager totally but just to throw this out there.

 

Roy Hodgson's Managerial Honours

Club

Halmstad Allsvenskan (2): 1976, 1979

 

Malmö FF Swedish football champions (2): 1986, 1988

Allsvenskan (5): 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989

Svenska Cupen (2): 1985–86, 1988–89

 

Inter Milan UEFA Cup Runner Up (1): 1997

 

Copenhagen Danish Superliga (1): 2000–01

Danish Super Cup (1): 2001

 

Fulham UEFA Europa League Runner Up (1): 2010

 

 

Harry Redkanpps Managerial Honours

 

Bournemouth Football League Division Three: 1986–87

Football League Trophy: 1983–84

 

West Ham United UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999

 

Portsmouth Football League Division One: 2002–03

FA Cup: 2007-08

 

Tottenham Hotspur Football League Cup runners up: 2009

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and just to balance the 'never did anything with Inter' argument. Inter were notoriously poor in the early to mid 90s and almost got relegated the season before Hodgson joined. They were 3rd placed when he left having finished 7th the year before.

He had a horrendous win rate at Inter. He did an OK job there though, but should have done better considering the money he was given. The only thing that gives Hodgson experience over Redknapp is his experience. Both are average managers, although I would have preferred Harry, just because whilst he is not a great tactican when things are going wrong at least he understands modern day football tactics. The problem you got is the players wanted Harry. The media wanted Harry. And the fans wanted Harry. Unfortunately this just gives Roy more excuses for when things go wrong.

Of the 17 managers who've managed Inter under Moratti only three have avoided the sack, Roy Hodgson is one of those. So for a supposed failure he must've been doing something right under such a trigger happy chairman....

 

The media today has proved that whatever happens this will be a bad decision. If we fail under Hodgson, his fault, but if it were under Redknapp, would've been the players, the ref, certainly wouldn't be him. I just don't get what is so good about him. Comparisons to Brian Clough? Dear fucking God!

 

 

As Switzerland manager he took them to 3rd in the world rankings, took them to their first tournament in almost 30 years and their first knockout stages (outside of Switzerland) in almost 60.

I wasn't comparing Harry to Cloughie. Just saying that not going with the popular choice might not always be as bad as expected.

 

Cloughie was one of the greatest ever. Redknapp isn't

Roy Hodgson confirmed as manager. 4 year deal

 

Press conference at 4pm

4 year contract. Bloody hell our FA really does manage to out do itself with stupidity at every available opportunity, you'd have thought they'd have learned from their previous mistakes.

Four years? Christ, two would be plenty even if we weren't coming up to a major tournament.

Four years? Christ, two would be plenty even if we weren't coming up to a major tournament.

 

Should have signed a deal up to 2014 at the very maximum. Bet Roy's delighted though, this is his retirement fund sorted up! Poor guy, I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He's absolutely clueless. Won't be able to handle the pressure when some of his media pals turn on him.

What concerns me is that this tournament should have been used as preparation for Brazil 2014 by bringing in the younger players and getting them used to tournament football. Pretty sure Germany did the same in South Africa? However, Roy is not the fan favourite and will now be under even more pressure to get it right in the Summer, so you'd expect the bigger names e.g. Ferdinand instead of Jones or Smalling to be called up

 

I don't particularly rate Redknapp either, but you'd at least expect him to be given more time by the press and fans. All we'll probably hear in the Summer is "should have gone with Harry instead"

He was always going to play the big names. He's like that. Weak minded and easily influenced by people. His training methods are also from the donkeys age. Wouldn't surprise me if he called up Owen to the England squad.

 

To be honest the reaction I've seen of him hasn't be bad at all. Sky Sports don't agree, but they thought Redknapp was the Messiah. Lots of people think he's a good choice, and he's English so he'll work. Henry Winter wrote an article and compared Hodgson being appointed England manager to that of an Enlightenment period for English football.

He's only just been appointed and half of the questions in the press conference were about Harry Redknapp

Hodgson OUT!!

 

(Well it has to start sometime)

The media is the main problem with the whole Harry thing. It was bad timing that he was found not guilty on the same day that Fabio Capello resigned, since then they've all (particularly Sky) gone on and on and on about Harry Redknapp, he's had all of these endorsement because everyone who's endorsed him has been asked by the media. 1) Would you be interested in the job? 2) Do you think Harry Redknapp is a good contender for the job?

 

As I said the other night, I'm not overly pleased with the appointment but I was never going to be whoever the coach was if they were English, but I'm coming round to it more all the time, though 4 year contract isn't a plus. It's been nice to see the media reaction, a lot of them getting behind it, a lot dragging up a load of irrelevant shit and going on the ultra defensive.

The last England manager to be appointed by the media was Kevin Keegan and that wasn't exactly a great success. He was described as "the people's choice" but nobody I spoke to at the time wanted him.