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The consensus seems to be that it was a draw (with Ryan maybe having a slight edge) with both guys going in pretty hard.

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Some have been saying that Biden, while not winning outright, did reasonably well in making up for Obama's weak show last week.

 

Ryan sounded calm and coherent, as much as I hate his politics he'll be a very serious threat when he has more experience. I can see him winning the nomination in possibly 2020 since he's right wing enough to appeal to the entire Republican spectrum, whether he can hide his economics as well as he did last night in future will decide whether he could ever be seen as a possible President.

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