But it's a fact. Will.I.Am has had four Top Three hits this year. Britney has had one Top 3 hit and she hasn't had another one since 2008. Britney doing well considering her poor airplay is a valid argument, but that's not the point that I'm trying to make.

 

Britney hasn't released this year though?

Britney hasn't released this year though?

 

She hasn't had one since 2008 is what I said.

 

She has done well as a solo artist considering her poor airplay but that wasn't my argument.

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She hasn't had one since 2008 is what I said.

 

She has done well as a solo artist considering her poor airplay but that wasn't my argument.

 

On Air obviously dosen't help the cause either though, I would like to see where If This Love would have landed had it been OA/OS.

She hasn't had one since 2008 is what I said.

 

Because she didn't promoted it or had support from media.

 

On Air obviously dosen't help the cause either though, I would like to see where If This Love would have landed had it been OA/OS.

 

stupid question probably, but what does mean OA/OS?

On Air obviously dosen't help the cause either though, I would like to see where If This Love would have landed had it been OA/OS.

 

I think that it would have been popular because it had a lot of interest after being the VIP Track Of The Week on 4Music. We'll never know though.

 

And Nick, I'm not going to repeat what I've said. She has done well considering her poor airplay but my point is that no one in the UK really cares about her any more apart from her fans and music fans. Britney's new single has been released, there is a lot of hype, it goes straight in at #6. This shows that she's not as popular as she used to be. It probably would have gone straight to the top three if this was 2004. The market was completely different in those days, but I still think that she could have done it. I heard Hold It Against Me all the time on the radio stations afterwards as well, which is enough promotion for a song in my opinion. The media interest also usually mirrors the public interest in the UK apart from a few minor cases. I like Britney, but to say that she's bigger than Will.I.Am in terms of relevance in the UK at the moment is incorrect.

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Why are we arguing who is bigger when the song is such a sack of shit? At least get angry over something worth getting angry about.

Why are we arguing who is bigger when the song is such a sack of shit? At least get angry over something worth getting angry about.

 

Personally, I think that the song is as popular as it is because it sounds good in a club. I can close my eyes and feel like I'm in a club while I'm listening to the song. ^_^

The USA Itunes chart is not relevant to this discission - this is the UK Chart Forum.

I think it's entirely relevant, actually. The debate here is (or at least was, before it became what appears to just be a Britney/Britney fan bashing session) which name is selling the song more. Most people who think Will is doing most of the selling say Britney is doing absolutely nothing for the track whatsoever. But there's no evidence in favour of that argument, while there is evidence in favour of the argument that Britney has increased its selling power.

 

Will's international irrelevance is exaggerated - 'This Is Love' was fairly big worldwide, though it flopped in the US. However, 'Scream & Shout' has only been available for a few weeks and has already matched or beaten TIL's peak in many countries, as well as of course massively outperforming it in the US. It seems to me that the most logical explanation for this is the names tacked onto the track. 'This Is Love' has Eva Simons, a random flopstar. 'Scream & Shout' has Britney Spears, an international household name (yes, even in the UK) with one underperforming (for her standards) album, which still has a Gold certification in the UK (even if it is overcertified, it was Silver after a couple of weeks). To me it seems fairly obvious that Britney has massively helped the song worldwide, and considering she's still a big name (no, a Gold album does not make someone irrelevant) in the UK, it seems entirely plausible that she's helped sell the song here, too. No, not to the same extent she has in the US - Will is a big name here, I'm sure his name can sell a song well too. But I personally don't see any evidence that if 'Scream & Shout' had another Eva Simons feature instead of Britney, it would be doing just as well as it now is.

 

And please, don't try the "lol deluded britney loon im so braindead" thing on me - I am perfectly aware that Will's last few singles have been much bigger than Britney's in the UK. That doesn't mean her name means nothing, though.

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Gabrielle back to 10 after her brilliant TOTP performance!

I think it's entirely relevant, actually. The debate here is (or at least was, before it became what appears to just be a Britney/Britney fan bashing session) which name is selling the song more. Most people who think Will is doing most of the selling say Britney is doing absolutely nothing for the track whatsoever. But there's no evidence in favour of that argument, while there is evidence in favour of the argument that Britney has increased its selling power.

 

Will's international irrelevance is exaggerated - 'This Is Love' was fairly big worldwide, though it flopped in the US. However, 'Scream & Shout' has only been available for a few weeks and has already matched or beaten TIL's peak in many countries, as well as of course massively outperforming it in the US. It seems to me that the most logical explanation for this is the names tacked onto the track. 'This Is Love' has Eva Simons, a random flopstar. 'Scream & Shout' has Britney Spears, an international household name (yes, even in the UK) with one underperforming (for her standards) album, which still has a Gold certification in the UK (even if it is overcertified, it was Silver after a couple of weeks). To me it seems fairly obvious that Britney has massively helped the song worldwide, and considering she's still a big name (no, a Gold album does not make someone irrelevant) in the UK, it seems entirely plausible that she's helped sell the song. No, not to the take extent she has in the US - Will is a big name here, I'm sure his name can sell a song well too. But I personally don't see any evidence that if 'Scream & Shout' had another Eva Simons feature instead of Britney, it would be doing just as well as it now is.

 

And please, don't try the "lol deluded britney loon im so braindead" thing on me - I am perfectly aware that Will's last few singles have been much bigger than Britney's in the UK. That doesn't mean her name means nothing, though.

 

OK,

 

01 I wasn't bashing Britney fans. And I agree with you on the fact that there is an argument that Britney has increased the song's selling power. Will.I.Am is still a very big name in this country though and that doesn't mean that Britney is very popular in this country. People are just interested to see what she sounds like on the song in my opinion.

 

02 Her name does not mean nothing in this country at all but my point is that she's not as relevant as Will.I.Am is in this country. Do your friends talk more about Britney Spears or Will.I.Am? I'd say the latter for me. Will.I.Am has also got the Voice promotion and you could say that he helped to sell Hall Of Fame even more than The Script did as an opposite argument, but I don't want to get into that discussion. :kink:

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Diamonds #5 <3

YOUR EXISTENCE MAKES ME SAD.

 

Nick OA/OS = Immediately getting released to iTunes after a radio premiere and not being held back

Looks as if the main beneficiaries of the 'gift card effect' will be Gangnam Style, Troublemaker, Candy and Don't You Worry Child. Huge dives for the Xmas songs and Burns' Lies, what did he do to offend the gift card downloaders :o

It's too new. The gift card effect is basically just a bigger weekend effect. The biggest beneficiaries are hits from mid September to mid November.

I expected Call Me Maybe/ Good Time to actually be back top 50!

01 I wasn't bashing Britney fans. And I agree with you on the fact that there is an argument that Britney has increased the song's selling power. Will.I.Am is still a very big name in this country though and that doesn't mean that Britney is very popular in this country. People are just interested to see what she sounds like in my opinion.

I wasn't talking about you actually - you appear to be one of the people capable of arguing against Britney without insulting her or her fans. I don't disagree with your points - Will is indeed big over here. Even if this song didn't feature Britney it would probably have gone top 10 on iTunes upon OA/OS release. And were this solely a Britney song, it wouldn't be doing as well as it is either. The song's success is really a combination of the two names. And as for people just being interested in her, this is why I think she's helped sell it! It's not about how big her fanbase is, it's about how big a name she is. Britney is a big name (flop last era or not), people hear "new Britney song" and they check it out - that is how she has helped the song. Britney's name creates awareness.

 

02 Her name does not mean nothing in this country at all but my point is that she's not as relevant as Will.I.Am is in this country. Do your friends talk more about Britney Spears or Will.I.Am? I'd say the latter for me. Will.I.Am has also got the Voice promotion and you could say that he helped to sell Hall Of Fame even more than The Script did as an opposite argument, but I don't want to get into that discussion. :kink:

Well personally my friends talk more about Britney but neither are names that crop up super often (and I only really talk about music with people who are music fans). It's very difficult to argue about who is most relevant in any case, but it's unimportant. I don't know which name has helped the song more, maybe it's Will's. I just think that both names have made a sizable contribution to the song's success and it is quite ridiculous to say Britney hasn't helped at all (not implying you said this, but it appears to be the general attitude among our lovely iLoons) just because her last album didn't go 156x Diamond.

People saying Scream & Shout is selling because of Britney and that it will re-launch her career here after a flop album remind me of when people were saying the same thing about Aguilera on Moves Like Jagger. It was clearly obvious that she bought very little to the song and it wouldn't do much, turns out it did even less for her career than anyone expected.

I expected Call Me Maybe/ Good Time to actually be back top 50!

 

Call Me Maybe is at #53, so I'm sure it will be very soon after her TOTP performance! :D Good Time is #73 and #146 so is probably very close as well combined!

People saying Scream & Shout is selling because of Britney and that it will re-launch her career here after a flop album remind me of when people were saying the same thing about Aguilera on Moves Like Jagger. It was clearly obvious that she bought very little to the song and it wouldn't do much, turns out it did even less for her career than anyone expected.

Well that's a different argument entirely. I think S&S is good for Brit solely for proving she isn't chart poison to radio, and she is far more prominent on it than Christina was on MLJ. But yeah I'm not arguing this is going to be some massive career-saving move for her. Next era could still go either way.

Well that's a different argument entirely. I think S&S is good for Brit solely for proving she isn't chart poison to radio, and she is far more prominent on it than Christina was on MLJ. But yeah I'm not arguing this is going to be some massive career-saving move for her. Next era could still go either way.

To be honest I haven't heard the song and have no intention of listening to it so have no idea how much she contributes to it. It just makes me laugh that Aguilera fans were saying the exact same things 18 months ago. Her part is clearly the BEST BIT and adds SO MUCH to the song, it's going to REALLY HELP HER. Erm, yeah...