It's like going to the beach because perverts can watch children get changed and wander round in bathing costumes.

It's like going to the mall because there are huge numbers of strangers, and it's easy to lose your kids, so then it's harder to 'protect them' as you said in your previous post was the parents' duty.

 

I would not force, or even vaguely encourage, my future children to take part in pageants because I don't like them. I think the children get a horrid view that winning is all that matters - and that good looks and a fake smile mean something.

I agree with you that beauty pageants are not a good thing. They are horribly tacky and it's not good for the children's psyche to lose.

 

It's your belief that it puts children in immediate danger that I disagree with.

Parents have to live their lives, and if they avoid anything where a pervert could see your child or possible abductors will be present at(including the beach and the mall), then they're left with very few choices.

The child then gets escorted to school and back, gets to do nothing unsupervised by their parents, and gets a very limited life.

Can they even visit a friend's house? What if their friend's Dad is a 'wolf in sheep's clothing', as you put it?

 

You say they should be in the swimming baths (where they'll get changed in a public dressing room, where they'll be visible in swimming costumes) or in the park (large open space - slightly vulnerable).

If you believe that paedophiles and abductors are everywhere, then these options are not safe either.

 

Again, you're kinda missing my point. These Kiddie Beauty Pageants specifically put the children out there 'on show' for everyone to see; the whole raison d'etre behind them is for the children to look attractive and use their looks to win a competition, they are a totally ab-normal situation for children to be in; there is no such intent of the 'putting on show' of children at the beach or at the park, it's just kids being kids in a normal situation - ie NOT wearing about a sodding inch of make-up, being dressed like a bunch of mini Joan Collins' or something and being paraded around like pieces of meat.... <_< There is a HUGE gulf of ideological difference between the two things mate...

 

It's the situtation (and let's face it, a Beauty Pageant has a psycho-sexual subtext to it that going to a park simply does not have...)that kids are put into in these disgusting "Beauty Competitions" that are the problem I have and I just feel that these so-called parents should be a bit smart enough to know better...

 

You seriously need to read what Feminist theorists have to say about the real patriarchal purposes of the controlling and domination of women which lies behind so-called "Beauty Pageants" are. To do it to adult women is bad enough (but at least there's a choice element), to do it to children is unforgiveable, it goes beyond 'tacky'....

you guys, we don't know if they have found her killer yet. He supposadly wasn't even in atlanta at the time of death. He could just be a crazed lieing wacko. We need to hold out untill more developments happen before we can sigh.

 

Regarding her parents, yes in a sense they will always be guilty. But I seriously don't think they considerided the possibilties or went out to exploit they're child. Mattel does barbie makeup for children - I believe that is exploitive as little girls should NOT wear makeup or feel they have to. Jonbenet seemed happy in what she did. Like she was an entertainer. I know its not as innocent as being in the micky mouse club as a child like the likes of britney spears but i believe the ramsey parents were innocent in the sense that they did not go out to hurt their child.

Again, you're kinda missing my point. These Kiddie Beauty Pageants specifically put the children out there 'on show' for everyone to see; the whole raison d'etre behind them is for the children to look attractive and use their looks to win a competition, they are a totally ab-normal situation for children to be in; there is no such intent of the 'putting on show' of children at the beach or at the park, it's just kids being kids in a normal situation - ie NOT wearing about a sodding inch of make-up, being dressed like a bunch of mini Joan Collins' or something and being paraded around like pieces of meat.... <_< There is a HUGE gulf of ideological difference between the two things mate...

 

You seriously need to read what Feminist theorists have to say about the real patriarchal purposes of the controlling and domination of women which lies behind so-called "Beauty Pageants" are. To do it to adult women is bad enough (but at least there's a choice element), to do it to children is unforgiveable, it goes beyond 'tacky'....

I get that. I understand that children are eroticised by these contests and I'm quite well-versed in feminist theory. I've read arguments that beauty contests even encourage capitalism - with a 'winner-takes-all' mentality. I'm aware of the problems.

 

You were arguing that they endanger the child by putting them on display. Make-up, or ideology, is not the issue here.

Swimming pools and beaches put children on display. If you believe paedophiles are watching the contests, they'd be having a look at the pools and beaches too. That's where the comparison lies.

 

But I think it's a leap to go from saying it's bad to put your children into these contests (for the valid reasons you said) to say it's 'negligent', as you did in your first reply to my post. Or that the parents are not innocent of the murder, again which you said.

 

There are problems with pageants (which I have admitted) but I don't think that children in these pageants become targets for murder. That's going too far.

Whatever you think of these pageants, we don't know that this killer even watched them. The rumour is that he was a 'teacher', so he met the girl in a school environment, not in a 'totally ab-normal' situation.

 

The parents are innocent in that they did not kill the child or deliberately endanger it.

 

That's all I want to say about this. We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I don't like beauty pageants but I don't think they're dangerous

The parent's aren't that innocent. It's them that put the child in the pageants, they must have been aware how the girl would be put on display. And you say she seemed happy. Well of course she would be, that's all she knew.

The parent's aren't that innocent. It's them that put the child in the pageants, they must have been aware how the girl would be put on display. And you say she seemed happy. Well of course she would be, that's all she knew.

 

Exactly, and they made money off her winning these things as well... Disgraceful.... <_<

 

Let's not make out that the parents of this poor girl are all that 'innocent'. They exploited that poor girl and made money off her, they chucked her into these disgusting kiddie 'beauty pageants' (in total agreement with Royston Poisoner, ban them all, utterly disgusting thing to do to children... :puke2: ) and dangled her out there to every fukkin' disgusting pervert like a worm on a hook... <_< Did it not enter into their tiny little inbred, cracker brains that this sort of thing was a possibility...?

 

B/astards, they may not of actually killed her, but they sure as hell did not live up to their responsibilities as parents and protect their daughter. Negligent, at best....

 

 

I have to agree with this

 

i teach 5 year olds - they DO NOT act like the children in those obscene pagents. 5 year olds should not wear make up - sing 'sexy' songs and should not have their milk teeth removed because they don't look right.

 

That little girl did not deserve to die - and those parents did not deserve to lose thier daughter ....

 

... BUT that little girl did not have a childhood and those parents are to blame for that.

I have to agree with this

 

i teach 5 year olds - they DO NOT act like the children in those obscene pagents. 5 year olds should not wear make up - sing 'sexy' songs and should not have their milk teeth removed because they don't look right.

 

That little girl did not deserve to die - and those parents did not deserve to lose thier daughter ....

 

... BUT that little girl did not have a childhood and those parents are to blame for that.

 

 

I totally agree, the parents had to live with the thought of what they did to their daughter, but it wasn't totally their fault, the parents have been punished enough with their daughter being brutally murdered. It's now time to bring the vile murderers to justice, after 10 years :(... Poor girl