So she should just give up? :/ if everyone took that attitude then there would be no charities to help these issues. Having someone like Gaga set up and support

charities is going to bring in alot of needed promotion and money, no matter what you say.

 

And I wouldn't want to give money to her charity because she behaves like a martyr, and I feel as if giving money to her charity would feed that desire. She does not come across as very likeable or realistic at all, I'd rather give money to another bullying charity which I would feel comfortable to give money to.

 

And on an unrelated note, you keep trying to challenge me or provoke me. Once a day is fine, but you seem to do it all the time and I'm getting quite suspicious that you're just trying to bring me down now.

 

And yes, Lady Gaga's music got me through my bullying period as well, until I realised that I had to stand up for myself and not rely on someone else to help me. That's not the situation for everyone, but she makes me not want to give money to her charity

Edited January 13, 201312 yr by Grief

You are a very small person in a very large world. Her charities have done wonders and I hope they continue to do so. Alot of people look up to her and admire what she does. The fact you don't want to give money to a charity she set up for a cause you apparantly have history with says more about you as a person than it does about her.

 

As for your other point, grow up. It's a forum and I am not challening you, just raising a point. Not my problem if you can't handle that.

And I wouldn't want to give money to her charity because she behaves like a martyr, and I feel as if giving money to her charity would feed that desire. She does not come across as very likeable or realistic at all, I'd rather give money to another bullying charity which I would feel comfortable to give money to.

 

And on an unrelated note, you keep trying to challenge me or provoke me. Once a day is fine, but you seem to do it all the time and I'm getting quite suspicious that you're just trying to bring me down now.

 

And yes, Lady Gaga's music got me through my bullying period as well, until I realised that I had to stand up for myself and not rely on someone else to help me. That's not the situation for everyone, but she makes me not want to give money to her charity

She's not asking for money, that's the point :lol:

 

The money she gets from her albums/songs goes into her tour, and making things like the Born Brave bus to offer counselling for troubled teenagers. And just because she didn't help you as much as you would have liked, it doesn't mean she's not an inspiration for millions around the world. She's not going to stop being an activisit because Griff from Buzzjack learnt to gain confidence some other way.

 

Of course people will blindly give money to charity, but the point of Gaga's activism is to forget money and talk to suffering people. Some will find help from charities, self-help books etc, some will find help from her. There's space in the world for both.

You are a very small person in a very large world. Her charities have done wonders and I hope they continue to do so. Alot of people look up to her and admire what she does. The fact you don't want to give money to a charity she set up for a cause you apparantly have history with says more about you as a person than it does about her.

 

As for your other point, grow up. It's a forum and I am not challening you, just raising a point. Not my problem if you can't handle that.

 

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Did you not read when I said when I said "I'd rather give to another bullying charity" or "I know that isn't the situation for everyone"?!

 

And it's the fact that you mention me every day, you've mentioned me at least four times today before this incident, so I have a valid right to feel suspicious. I am not the one who needs to grow up and be reminded that it's a forum. And I can assure you that I can handle anything, nothing on this website phases me at all.

 

Haus is the only one who agrees with your argument who is making decent points, you are belittling me by making me feel bad and guilty for having an opinion, I believe that she is a character who has been made up by her record company to help others, but it isn't in a particularly genuine way.

 

We have two different opinions and you are stupid for thinking that they should match. End of.

 

 

 

 

Griff please don't bring all this here. Regina has hardly said anything to attack you, so please don't drag this thread down any lower than Sharon Osbourne has done so already.

 

And for the record, i personally see her as one of the LEAST manufactured pop stars making music out there, and she doesn't seem to agree with anything that her record company tells her to do, so it's hardly like they control her decisions. And even if you do believe that she "has been made up by her record company to help others", that is still surely a good thing because she's still helping people unlike a lot of popstars atm :unsure:

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Did you not read when I said when I said "I'd rather give to another bullying charity" or "I know that isn't the situation for everyone"?!

And it's the fact that you mention me every day, you've mentioned me at least four times today before this incident, so I have a valid right to feel suspicious. I am not the one who needs to grow up and be reminded that it's a forum. And I can assure you that I can handle anything, nothing on this website phases me at all.

 

Haus is the only one who agrees with your argument who is making decent points, you are belittling me by making me feel bad and guilty for having an opinion, I believe that she is a character who has been made up by her record company to help others, but it isn't in a particularly genuine way.

 

We have two different opinions and you are stupid for thinking that they should match. End of.

 

Christ and you wonder why so many people here dislike you.

Griff please don't bring all this here. Regina has hardly said anything to attack you, so please don't drag this thread down any lower than Sharon Osbourne has done so already.

 

And for the record, i personally see her as one of the LEAST manufactured pop stars making music out there, and she doesn't seem to agree with anything that her record company tells her to do, so it's hardly like they control her decisions. And even if you do believe that she "has been made up by her record company to help others", that is still surely a good thing because she's still helping people unlike a lot of popstars atm :unsure:

 

I am very cautious about her. She seems like she changes her image every day, she just seems very manufactured to me. The idea of her and what she stands for scares me because she goes into territory that shouldn't bet touched and should be left for proper activists.

 

And she might be helping people, but I would prefer it from someone who seems like a genuine person.

 

 

I am very cautious about her. She seems like she changes her image every day, she just seems very manufactured to me. The idea of her and what she stands for scares me because she goes into territory that shouldn't bet touched and should be left for proper activists.

 

And she might be helping people, but I would prefer it from someone who seems like a genuine person.

That's a fair enough arguement i guess (even if i completely disagree with it). You might have confused her changing image as her being fake as a person, but even you can't deny that the amount of people she has helped with dealing with their sexuality, body image, and bullying has been a good thing, yahh?

That's a fair enough arguement i guess (even if i completely disagree with it). You might have confused her changing image as her being fake as a person, but even you can't deny that the amount of people she has helped with dealing with their sexuality, body image, and bullying has been a good thing, yahh?

 

Yeah, I guess so. :P

Regina you are amazing.

Griff go away and be Griff somewhere else.

The idea of her and what she stands for scares me because she goes into territory that shouldn't bet touched and should be left for proper activists.

L M A O

 

And what DO those 'proper activists' do that GaGa cannot?

 

If anything she has a huge edge in this. She's famous, she sings inspirational songs (my boyfriend doesn't usually listen to pop music like this but he does listen to GaGa because of that), she has a lot of money, she wants to help. What else is there?! Activists will hardly be able to reach out to as many people as GaGa potentially can/already did.

 

GaGa, while I strongly disapprove of her fur 'statements' (which could rub the youngsters the wrong way actually, which is worrying for me personally), actually is active with her campaigns and doesn't just give money to charities.

 

And I seriously don't think this whole anti-bullying thing is just a fabricated PR campaign because if it was and the news about it came out GaGa would overnight become ranked somewhere between Charlie Sheen and Osama bin Laden (closer to the latter) because using teenagers to achieve fame (which she kind of already did with the pre-Born This Way era) and wealth is beyond the lowest of lows.

 

Moreover, it's very silly to think that she shouldn't do anything and just make peace with the issue. Firstly, because she probably has TEAMS of specialists who consult her in this, prepare speeches, etc. etc. Only the face of the BTW Foundation campaign is Lady GaGa (and her mother). She doesn't sit alone in her dressing room taking care of taxes, doing everything, evaluating the impact this or that performance/speech/announcement will have, doesn't provide counseilling HERSELF. OF COURSE she has qualified professionals to do all of this. Basically your 'proper activists'. Secondly, like a few before me said, it's worth it even if you help just one person.

 

So all in all it's a good cause.

Completely agree Pavel, especially your final paragraph. She one member of a team, that forms a foundation, despite her and her team trying to make out as if she's the sole runner of it all. We know for a fact that she has counsellers that are currently touring with her, so yes she is just the face of it all.

 

And however all the activism came about, i'm sure it was from fans tweeting/mailing for help which led to her OR her team (doesn't really matter who had the initial idea i dont think) thinking, wait we can make a difference here (and subsequently give a theme to the next album - BTW).

 

my boyfriend doesn't usually listen to pop music like this but he does listen to GaGa

 

But more importantly, Pavel send your boyf my way. Now. :smoke:

Edited January 14, 201312 yr by HausofKubrick

Regina you are amazing.

Griff go away and be Griff somewhere else.

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Pavel, it's your opinion! I personally find it really cringey when popstars do this, of course she will have a team of other people behind it, but I prefer it if the whole procedure is more genuine. Behind the spearhead of the charity, there are a group of people behind that person and I would prefer it if they stood up for themselves and helped others. As I said, it's your opinion and I shouldn't feel stupid for thinking like that and I know that.

But a random person would make far lesser impact than a wealthy celebrity. Don't you think?

But more importantly, Pavel send your boyf my way. Now. :smoke:

So that you'd STEAL him? Nah-huh guuurrrl.

But a random person would make far lesser impact than a wealthy celebrity. Don't you think?

 

Not for me. Maybe if I was 12 and immature (in real life) or something like that, but I don't want some bullshit from a celebrity who's not qualified. I want real people who have a better chance of changing my life for the better and not this made-up fancy fairytale that my wishes will come true. Because that's not reality.

if?

Surely someone who went through the experience is qualified enough to know how to help and what to do? Gaga is a real person just like anyone else, the fact she

has a weird stage precence does not change what she believes in or wants to achieve.

Not for me. Maybe if I was 12 and immature (in real life) or something like that, but I don't want some bullshit from a celebrity who's not qualified. I want real people who have a better chance of changing my life for the better and not this made-up fancy fairytale that my wishes will come true. Because that's not reality.

Griff you're consistently missing the point and it has nothing to do with people attacking you or you being the victim etc.

 

Gaga is not offering the professional counselling. She has hired PROFESSIONAL counsellers to do their job when people turn up at the Born This Way Ball like they would in their office on a Friday morning, because most people are too afraid to go and see real counsellers or don't have the money to afford proper counselling.

 

Gaga's message comes through her songs, which you're entitled to not like as that is perfectly down to your choice. It's far from a fairy-tale, it's about making it easier for people to come to terms with who they are and any issues they're facing.

 

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"At the BornBrave Bus you have access to professional private or group chats about mental health, depression, bullying, school & friends.

 

What's more, fans won't have to pay a penny for the services as she explained: "BornBrave Bus Is a place where mental health + depression are taken seriously w/ no judgement, FREE real help available to all."

 

WHAT can you possibly be opposed to about that :lol: Try and distance your apathy for Gaga from what we're actually discussing because we keep going in circles.

Edited January 14, 201312 yr by HausofKubrick

Look griff, Gaga is the Queen of anything ever in the history of ever and you will deal.