Yes, I agree that was odd. But Rob does not seam like the type of person who would be told what to do by anyone tbh. He said himself that he calls all the shots with the contract. Yes of course they are bound to be putting presure on him to do another IC/Escapology but he will do as he chooses at the end of the day.

 

Apperently "Warner" are going to buy "EMI", an article posted on rwap suggested they will drop Rob if EMI accept the bid. :rolleyes: I highly doubt this is true, but if they do buy EMI, and Warner keep Rob then at least he will be promoted a bit better. :rolleyes:

 

 

Could you see that actually happening ( dropping Rob ) I would find that hard to believe as well.... I just think that as an Artist he is very diverse & could have a future in many areas of the music scene.... I am still suspicious that here is something going on behind the scene. He could only at the most have another year left in his current contract so maybe things are not as they seem at the moment & that there is already some hassle with EMI.

I am not all that surprised that Robbie has gone back to Rehab , afterall he did say in his video that he did when he went to Aussie that he had been attending AA meetings in LA & so he may have felt that he was depending too much on the meds & had no other choice but do something about it. The press of course went crazy straight away because it give them column inches for weeks & they can embellish stories to their hearts content. Loads of people nowadays go to Rehab & I think its a good thing for him & he will be all the better for it. Its easy to get stuck on medication so good for him in getting it sorted.

I dont think that we have seen the last of Rob & he has to be in demand out there , he still has a huge following & really the music scene would be very boring without him.

I saw Ray Quinn this morning on Sky News in one of his promotion videos for his swing album out shortly - he is a lovely Kid but got love him he just did not come accross as someome that I could watch over & over again.

Robbie has that special something about him that keeps your eye glued to him all the time while he is singing & that is why he is so good ... ever notice at his concerts everyone's eyes are on him all the time, he gets the audiences attention 100%... you cant buy that kind of talent or charisma ... I cant see his record company dropping him ;like that & if they do they are mad......

 

Could you see that actually happening ( dropping Rob ) I would find that hard to believe as well.... I just think that as an Artist he is very diverse & could have a future in many areas of the music scene.... I am still suspicious that here is something going on behind the scene. He could only at the most have another year left in his current contract so maybe things are not as they seem at the moment & that there is already some hassle with EMI.

I am not all that surprised that Robbie has gone back to Rehab , afterall he did say in his video that he did when he went to Aussie that he had been attending AA meetings in LA & so he may have felt that he was depending too much on the meds & had no other choice but do something about it. The press of course went crazy straight away because it give them column inches for weeks & they can embellish stories to their hearts content. Loads of people nowadays go to Rehab & I think its a good thing for him & he will be all the better for it. Its easy to get stuck on medication so good for him in getting it sorted.

I dont think that we have seen the last of Rob & he has to be in demand out there , he still has a huge following & really the music scene would be very boring without him.

I saw Ray Quinn this morning on Sky News in one of his promotion videos for his swing album out shortly - he is a lovely Kid but got love him he just did not come accross as someome that I could watch over & over again.

Robbie has that special something about him that keeps your eye glued to him all the time while he is singing & that is why he is so good ... ever notice at his concerts everyone's eyes are on him all the time, he gets the audiences attention 100%... you cant buy that kind of talent or charisma ... I cant see his record company dropping him ;like that & if they do they are mad......

 

No, I definatly do not see him bein dropped. It is a ridiculous thing to suggest really and could only be suggested by people as clueless as the UK press. Robbie is EMI's cash-king, they depend on his success more than anyone else, hence why they gave him the biggest record contract in British music history. He makes an absolutely fortune for them, nearly 30 million albums alone sold with them since only 2002 when the £80m deal was signed. Not to mention the bucket loads of singles, dvd's, books and other merchandice he sells. And then their is of course the two mammoth tours he has done.

 

He is, as you say an extremly diverce artist, which are hard to find these days tbh. He can go from ballads, to upbeat pop tracks, from Swing to rap, from electro pop to rock. He can pull off anything and that is rare.

 

These moron joustnalists who spread this c**p that he might be dropped are only dreaming. They all have something against Rob and have more so than ever, in the past year so it is not a suprise they are suggesting such an insanely ridiculous thing that he would be dropped on the back of lower than usual sales of an album that got virtually zero promotion from Rob or EMI for that matter. Despite this it sold over 3m in three short months and is in fact the biggest selling album of 2006, by a solo artist outside the USA, so certainly nothing to mourn about.

 

The last 15 months have been the most successful in Rob's carear. He's had his best selling studio album to date with Intensive Care, a record breaking world tour where he played to over 3.5m people and an album that depite getting no promo and being extremly experimental, reaching #1 in 14 countries and becoming the fastest million seller accross Europe in 2006. However, if you were to choose to believe the Uk press, who seem to be under the impression that he is only successful in the Uk and if he gets lower than usual sales then his carear is over etc. It is complete and utter ignorance and would take an increadibly naive person to believe it all. But sadly there are alot of people that do believe it and do think he is finished etc. :blink: Even Intensive Care, depite selling over 1.6m in the UK, got slagged off by the press as being a flop and under-perfmorming, which was complete and utter madness. :rolleyes:

 

The Swing is Rob's last album with EMI as far as I can see, so whenever he gets around to releasing it, he will then be free hopefullly. I just hope that EMI don't rush him in anything, that is the last thing that they need to be doing. They should not rush this Swing album for an xmas 07 release. Rob needs at least a year away from all of this to get himself sorted imo.

No, I definatly do not see him bein dropped. It is a ridiculous thing to suggest really and could only be suggested by people as clueless as the UK press. Robbie is EMI's cash-king, they depend on his success more than anyone else, hence why they gave him the biggest record contract in British music history. He makes an absolutely fortune for them, nearly 30 million albums alone sold with them since only 2002 when the £80m deal was signed. Not to mention the bucket loads of singles, dvd's, books and other merchandice he sells. And then their is of course the two mammoth tours he has done.

 

He is, as you say an extremly diverce artist, which are hard to find these days tbh. He can go from ballads, to upbeat pop tracks, from Swing to rap, from electro pop to rock. He can pull off anything and that is rare.

 

These moron joustnalists who spread this c**p that he might be dropped are only dreaming. They all have something against Rob and have more so than ever, in the past year so it is not a suprise they are suggesting such an insanely ridiculous thing that he would be dropped on the back of lower than usual sales of an album that got virtually zero promotion from Rob or EMI for that matter. Despite this it sold over 3m in three short months and is in fact the biggest selling album of 2006, by a solo artist outside the USA, so certainly nothing to mourn about.

 

The last 15 months have been the most successful in Rob's carear. He's had his best selling studio album to date with Intensive Care, a record breaking world tour where he played to over 3.5m people and an album that depite getting no promo and being extremly experimental, reaching #1 in 14 countries and becoming the fastest million seller accross Europe in 2006. However, if you were to choose to believe the Uk press, who seem to be under the impression that he is only successful in the Uk and if he gets lower than usual sales then his carear is over etc. It is complete and utter ignorance and would take an increadibly naive person to believe it all. But sadly there are alot of people that do believe it and do think he is finished etc. :blink: Even Intensive Care, depite selling over 1.6m in the UK, got slagged off by the press as being a flop and under-perfmorming, which was complete and utter madness. :rolleyes:

 

The Swing is Rob's last album with EMI as far as I can see, so whenever he gets around to releasing it, he will then be free hopefullly. I just hope that EMI don't rush him in anything, that is the last thing that they need to be doing. They should not rush this Swing album for an xmas 07 release. Rob needs at least a year away from all of this to get himself sorted imo.

 

Well Scotty - At least that sounds encouraging , I just couldn't see him been dropped either- he is the most successful Artist at this side of the world . He us hugely in demand live & I would go to see him tons of times if I got the chance but he only comes to Ireland every now & then....

At this stage I dont think that I will bother reading the press articles for a while - they just get you down - no wonder Rob gets upset with what is written about him. I am thinking Rob will be around in the music business for a long time as he is just too good to let go....

I am wondering though if there is something going on with him & his record company that may be putting Rob under pressure

.. is he being pushed ito doing something that he does not want to album wise.... they want a return on their 80ml you know.

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Well Scotty - At least that sounds encouraging , I just couldn't see him been dropped either- he is the most successful Artist at this side of the world . He us hugely in demand live & I would go to see him tons of times if I got the chance but he only comes to Ireland every now & then....

At this stage I dont think that I will bother reading the press articles for a while - they just get you down - no wonder Rob gets upset with what is written about him. I am thinking Rob will be around in the music business for a long time as he is just too good to let go....

I am wondering though if there is something going on with him & his record company that may be putting Rob under pressure

.. is he being pushed ito doing something that he does not want to album wise.... they want a return on their 80ml you know.

I would'nt be at all suprised if they want him to get Guy Chambers back on board tbh. That would not be the worst thing, obviously would guarentee big hits, but can you just imagine what people would say. :rolleyes:

 

IC was Guy-less and was his best selling album of his carear so he does not need Guy, but as far as commercal #1 type of songs, then they were an amazing team. but Rob has said he will never go back to making that sort of music.

 

 

Anyway, EMI have more than made their £80m back by now. Rob with all his hunreds of millions can more than afford to set up his own record label and then will be far happier and will be able to put out whatever he pleases. I am confident he will bounce back and come back bigger than ever. It is all up to him at the end of the day, what options he takes.

I would'nt be at all suprised if they want him to get Guy Chambers back on board tbh. That would not be the worst thing, obviously would guarentee big hits, but can you just imagine what people would say. :rolleyes:

 

IC was Guy-less and was his best selling album of his carear so he does not need Guy, but as far as commercal #1 type of songs, then they were an amazing team. but Rob has said he will never go back to making that sort of music.

Anyway, EMI have more than made their £80m back by now. Rob with all his hunreds of millions can more than afford to set up his own record label and then will be far happier and will be able to put out whatever he pleases. I am confident he will bounce back and come back bigger than ever. It is all up to him at the end of the day, what options he takes.

 

You know Scotty - I had the same creepy feeling myself - what did it say in the article where Guy denied what the Mirror had said--did they mention something about being approached by EMI in the States.

I cannot see Rob ever going back again with Guy - I agree they made a great team - Guy was well aware of that & what did he say again - that Rob was like a mirror image of himself -- Guy had the music at the beginning but Rob had the lyrics, great melody & charming charisma to tell the stories of the songs... that is what good songwriting is all about . It took Rob a number of years to get really interested in writing the lyrics & music himself & realising that he had the talent & ability to do it & that is what started the trouble with Guy.... Rob started giving opinions that Guy did not agree with.. .I have to say that last year in VH1 Guy gave Rob great praise , you probably saw that programme yourself on VH1. Guy recognises the great talent that Rob had & both he & Rob regret the way it ended....

I hope Rob will be around for a long time ... I would just miss his stuff so much & his cheeky twinkly smile....

 

You know Scotty - I had the same creepy feeling myself - what did it say in the article where Guy denied what the Mirror had said--did they mention something about being approached by EMI in the States.

I cannot see Rob ever going back again with Guy - I agree they made a great team - Guy was well aware of that & what did he say again - that Rob was like a mirror image of himself -- Guy had the music at the beginning but Rob had the lyrics, great melody & charming charisma to tell the stories of the songs... that is what good songwriting is all about . It took Rob a number of years to get really interested in writing the lyrics & music himself & realising that he had the talent & ability to do it & that is what started the trouble with Guy.... Rob started giving opinions that Guy did not agree with.. .I have to say that last year in VH1 Guy gave Rob great praise , you probably saw that programme yourself on VH1. Guy recognises the great talent that Rob had & both he & Rob regret the way it ended....

I hope Rob will be around for a long time ... I would just miss his stuff so much & his cheeky twinkly smile....

 

Yes, I agree about Guy. He was too controlling. The situation with Come Undone just proves that. Rob wrote that song without Guy and Guy did not like that. For whatever reason that may have been, wether it be that he realised what an amazing song it was and did'nt like the fact that Rob did'nt need him or wether he just did'nt like the song itself which has been suggested. Apperently he found the lyrics too extreme.

 

As Rob said in an interview, Guy is a musical genius and people can relate to Rob's amazing lyrics and melody's. It is a real 50/50 songwriting partnership. Like Elton John and Bernie Taupin . Elton writes the music and Bernie writes the lyrics and apperently they do it over the phone and Net. Rarey meeting up. They took a break from eachother for a number of years and then joined back together again so you never know with Rob. He is so unpredictable. I would'nt mind him releasing more songs written 100% by him. He has written some great songs alone, such as One Fine day, Nan's song, Happy Easter etc. Also in Feel it is mentioned that he wrote "Big Beef" alone (although it does credit Guy on the actual cd for some reason), he also wrote the majority of "Tripping" according to Stephen Duffy, so he is more than capable. I'm sure he has written dozens of songs alone. I'd love to be able to go into his studio and listen to them all.:lol:

sorry for that comparison, but robbie williams is like the new michael jackson from the 80's.

 

RW is the most successful male solo artist WOLRDWIDE for the last 10 years. For his record company its not that important i think how well his albums sell worldwide.. i mean they sell at least 3m copies and max. approx 7-7.5 million but what ppl tend to forget is, that he is the worlds biggest tour artist of the decade.. i don't have numbers but his last 2 tours may have grossed 200-250m $ each at least! EMI will never drop Robbie - not yet not in the next 3-5 years.

sorry for that comparison, but robbie williams is like the new michael jackson from the 80's.

 

RW is the most successful male solo artist WOLRDWIDE for the last 10 years. For his record company its not that important i think how well his albums sell worldwide.. i mean they sell at least 3m copies and max. approx 7-7.5 million but what ppl tend to forget is, that he is the worlds biggest tour artist of the decade.. i don't have numbers but his last 2 tours may have grossed 200-250m $ each at least! EMI will never drop Robbie - not yet not in the next 3-5 years.

 

I agree. He is most definatly the King of pop of the 21st century without a doubt. No other male pop star has sold anywhere near as much as he has this decade.

 

I don't think it's a case of EMI dropping him, it's the fact that Waner are trying to take over EMI and they are an american company so they might not neccasarily want someone on their label who does'nt releases in the US, but then again EMI is a british record company therefor a huge amount of their acts are british and don't sell in the US so I don't know. It would be madness of them to release him though.:lol:

 

Yes, his tours grose ALOT. The average price for his gigs is probebly around £50, maybe more. So if you take the average of £50 and multiply it by the 3.5 MILLION tickets that were sold you get £175m, so over $342 grossed from this tour alone, and that is just the average, keep in mind loads of tickets were much more expensive and then of course there is all the merchandice to take into consideration. He did have something like £29m to fund the tour as well. And then there is the previous tour from 2003 and of course all the one off shows he does and the huge TV rights for them. He is any record company's dream :lol:

But why should an american record company drop an artist that sells 7m albums of his releases outside the US when many of the US artists just sell that including the US... I think that american record companys know robbie williams.. he's just tooo successful to ignore.

I have often pondered that question stevvy and I have come to the conclusion that the music industry over in the States do know of RW but prefer to sideline him.

Oh American record companies absolutely know him but they don't know what to do with him. Before he signed this mega contract with EMI, he was shopping around and there were a few American based record companies interested in him as I recall from Feel. But Rob is not the artist or person that is mouldable and record companies basically want a lap dog that they can maneuver around. Rob wants things on his own terms and won't change for anything and that's one of the things that I admire and respect about him. IMO, he made it as big as he has because of that. He's always remained true to himself, he has his own style and if you like it great and if you don't p*** off. He's always held onto that and that's hard to come by in the music industry. The usual is they'll do anything and be anything just to succeed which is why a lot of artists don't last too long, there's nothing genuine or unique about them.

Well said, and I agree.

 

I recall some idiotic US journalist reporting that Rob had shipped 4 million copies of Escapology to US stores. This was clearly impossible and not true, and it would take such a silly person to believe it. I mean, no way would shops buy 4 million copies of an album straight away, even from a huge selling star, let alone one who was reletivly unknown. :rolleyes:

Oh American record companies absolutely know him but they don't know what to do with him. Before he signed this mega contract with EMI, he was shopping around and there were a few American based record companies interested in him as I recall from Feel. But Rob is not the artist or person that is mouldable and record companies basically want a lap dog that they can maneuver around. Rob wants things on his own terms and won't change for anything and that's one of the things that I admire and respect about him. IMO, he made it as big as he has because of that. He's always remained true to himself, he has his own style and if you like it great and if you don't p*** off. He's always held onto that and that's hard to come by in the music industry. The usual is they'll do anything and be anything just to succeed which is why a lot of artists don't last too long, there's nothing genuine or unique about them.

 

RR4L

 

You know you have really cheered me up - that is the best thing that I have read in ages & thank you for reminding me.

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He's always remained true to himself, he has his own style and if you like it great and if you don't p*** off. He's always held onto that and that's hard to come by in the music industry. The usual is they'll do anything and be anything just to succeed which is why a lot of artists don't last too long, there's nothing genuine or unique about them.

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That is exactly why I love Robbie Williams - unique.....Yes he is.....

Well said, and I agree.

 

I recall some idiotic US journalist reporting that Rob had shipped 4 million copies of Escapology to US stores. This was clearly impossible and not true, and it would take such a silly person to believe it. I mean, no way would shops buy 4 million copies of an album straight away, even from a huge selling star, let alone one who was reletivly unknown. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah I remember that article, I think it was from the New York Times and if I'm not mistaken that 'journalist' that wrote it later apologized for the incorrect information and retracted her story. You'd think they would check their facts before putting pen to paper :rolleyes:

Oh American record companies absolutely know him but they don't know what to do with him. Before he signed this mega contract with EMI, he was shopping around and there were a few American based record companies interested in him as I recall from Feel. But Rob is not the artist or person that is mouldable and record companies basically want a lap dog that they can maneuver around. Rob wants things on his own terms and won't change for anything and that's one of the things that I admire and respect about him. IMO, he made it as big as he has because of that. He's always remained true to himself, he has his own style and if you like it great and if you don't p*** off. He's always held onto that and that's hard to come by in the music industry. The usual is they'll do anything and be anything just to succeed which is why a lot of artists don't last too long, there's nothing genuine or unique about them.

 

I've just read Gary Barlow's book (don't ask :wacko: it is now in the post to it's rightful owner) It was interesting hearing his description of being signed in America , almost forced to work with various other songwriters, and include other covers on his album. The album then got slated in the UK for being middle of the road , full of covers and aimed at the US market. He spent ages trailing rounds in the states, while Robbie was doing his own thing and building success in the UK/Europe.

I can fully understand why Robbie has not put any major effort into breaking the US - it sounds like a soul-destroying enterprise. I wonder whether on a US label he would have been allowed to release an album like Rudebox, being such a change of direction away from the safe sales territory.

I don't doubt that Robbie would've broken the US if he actually worked hard, but he has said himself that he only spent about a month altogether in his whole 10 year carear working there, no-one can expect success just like that, and I don't really blame him for saying he was'nt bothered etc. When you have worked as hard as he has for so long to get to where he is, the best selling non-US artist this century, then why would you want to start from scratch and have to do double the amount of work to break the US?

 

As Dory said, I doubt the US record company would've let him do what he wanted, they are only interested in sales, hence why so many of the US singers are so manifactured these days. At least with his EMI contract he gets to call the shots.

http://www.allofmp3.com/ratings/charts.sht...tion=EUROalbums

 

Rudebox has moved from No 40 back to No 32

 

People are getting interested again.... slowly...................

Great news, hopefully it will go back into the mediatraffic chart again :D

 

I don't think that is for mp3's though, it is for actual sales as far as I know. It says it at the top in the explination :cheer:

Great news, hopefully it will go back into the mediatraffic chart again :D

 

I don't think that is for mp3's though, it is for actual sales as far as I know. It says it at the top in the explination :cheer:

 

Wekk 8 places is a nice jump though - so maybe people are still a bit curious about the album....I am still telling everyone how good it is.....Its still in the top 20 in Germany.... great fans of Rob's ..the Germans... very loyal.

Rudebox' Chart Positions in active selling countries:

 

THIS WEEK (first week of march) key country/position/last weeks position

German related countries

Germany: #19 (#20) 6x gold [best charting country]

Switzerland: #52 (#35) 2x platinum

Austria: #35 (#29)

 

French related Countries

France: #104 (#134) actual total sales 97.000 copies [biggest jump]

Netherlands: #33 (#24)

 

Italy: #26 (#22)

 

Sweden: #40 (#42)

 

on my sales estimation for this week Rudebox sold 20.000 copies worldwide (15.000 copies in these 7 countries)