Do we know what Rudebox's total world sales are at the moment? :unsure:

Well there is no way of knowing acurate over the counter sales unless you believe mediatraffic. Shipments are what all worldwide figures are based on and it had shipped 2.9m at of the end of 2006 so definatly over 3m now since it got a second shipments in quite a few places so far this year. ^_^

So over 3 million? :cheer:

 

Does that include sales to all the On-Line Jersey retailers that don't show up anywhere? :unsure:

So over 3 million? :cheer:

 

Does that include sales to all the On-Line Jersey retailers that don't show up anywhere? :unsure:

 

No, only pysical copies shipped to shops. -_-

 

Most people I know only buy off cdwow, play.com, amazon etc. He's probebly sold millions online. :lol:

How do we find out? Surely sales to on-line retailers must be counted somewhere? :unsure:

How do we find out? Surely sales to on-line retailers must be counted somewhere? :unsure:

 

I don't think so. :angry:

They must be. EMI must know.

 

Send them an E-Mail. <_<

They must be. EMI must know.

 

Send them an E-Mail. <_<

 

I have about different things and never get a reply. <_<

I think it's the Record Company who tells the IFPI how many have been shipped and requests the next 'star' be awarded. If so, I'm pretty sure the shipments to On-line stores will be included.

 

But not in the Media Traffic figures as they are Chart based and most On-Line stores don't count towards any charts.

 

 

 

But I could be wrong..... -_-

i think that shipments to online retailers muste be included in the total shipment number, cause these sales are real shipments, the record company has to ship some copies to amazon or other retailers....

 

btw.. rudebox sold 700 copies last week in the UK (which i think is laughable..) why r the british so convinced that the album is bad?

i think that shipments to online retailers muste be included in the total shipment number, cause these sales are real shipments, the record company has to ship some copies to amazon or other retailers....

 

btw.. rudebox sold 700 copies last week in the UK (which i think is laughable..) why r the british so convinced that the album is bad?

 

Because of all the horrible reviews Rudebox supposingly got. <_< All the negetvity has made most people stay well clear of anything Rudebox. A load of different reasons though. There the one's missing out on such an amazing album. I'd rather have a load of Rudebox albums over the load of MOR endless blandness that fill up the chart. -_-

Well there is no way of knowing acurate over the counter sales unless you believe mediatraffic. Shipments are what all worldwide figures are based on and it had shipped 2.9m at of the end of 2006 so definatly over 3m now since it got a second shipments in quite a few places so far this year. ^_^

 

 

Scotty... Im not great at this tracking sales thing.... how do you know that there was second shipments..... have they actually sold all the first lot...... Ive' seen quite a lot of R.Boxes still on the shop shelves...... as well as loads of albums belonging to poor JT as well....... & Chemical Romance & loads of others.... Albums not doing well at all overall in the last six months.... way down in sales in comparison to other years I think...

Scotty... Im not great at this tracking sales thing.... how do you know that there was second shipments..... have they actually sold all the first lot...... Ive' seen quite a lot of R.Boxes still on the shop shelves...... as well as loads of albums belonging to poor JT as well....... & Chemical Romance & loads of others.... Albums not doing well at all overall in the last six months.... way down in sales in comparison to other years I think...

 

Well I think in Austrialia for example it went 2x platinum this year, so that's at least another 70k. Also in Mexico it has no gone platinum. So it done at least 3m. Shipments are the only way the tracking official worldwide sales figures. Sites like mediatrafffic are only estimates and are often both too low and sometimes too high. It is usefull but as I said official worldwide sales figures are shipments only. Yes Justin's album has'nt done great in the UK at all when you consider the huge amount of hype, airplay and promo it and the three singles have got. Also Christina's big comback album has only sold around 375k and has been out for 7 months, so it is certainly not just Robbie. But most of the ill-infmored public will think it is reading the papers. :rolleyes:

 

 

Album sales have been dropping substantially over the past couple of years (worldwide). I really think the advent of Broadband has been the factor. When I first got connected to Dial Up it took about 30 minutes to download a single song. Downloading or file sharing albums was a total No-No.

 

But with the worldwide explosion of Broadband albums can be downloaded (legally or illegally) in a couple of minutes. Friends can file share them with impunity. Jeez, we all had heard Rudebox dozens of times before the release date. We all had it downloaded. Fair enough, we all then went out and bought it but the majority of downloaders probably wouldn't have bothered.

 

I think it's going to get worse for record companies. Probably the only sales that won't suffer are those albums aimed at the MOR older market. <_<

Album sales have been dropping substantially over the past couple of years (worldwide). I really think the advent of Broadband has been the factor. When I first got connected to Dial Up it took about 30 minutes to download a single song. Downloading or file sharing albums was a total No-No.

 

But with the worldwide explosion of Broadband albums can be downloaded (legally or illegally) in a couple of minutes. Friends can file share them with impunity. Jeez, we all had heard Rudebox dozens of times before the release date. We all had it downloaded. Fair enough, we all then went out and bought it but the majority of downloaders probably wouldn't have bothered.

 

I think it's going to get worse for record companies. Probably the only sales that won't suffer are those albums aimed at the MOR older market. <_<

 

I was shocked at what I discovered last October when Rudebox was released. The week before at work a collegue of mine told me that he had just got Rudebox from another guy at work via the Net... I asked him what do you mean the album as it was not due be released for another weeks at that stage. He physically showed me the files with all the tracks from Rudebox on it. I then asked the guy who sent it to him where did he get it. He told me that he was a member of a club on the net that had their own site... they each purchased or OBTAINED one album ( & only one ), eg I buy Rudebox... you buy Chemical Romance.... Scotty buys Madonna & they then share the albums.. they have hundreds of people in the club & they share the music between them... It really means at the end of the day that they hardly have to buy any albums at all as its like a library...

The music industry are never going to be able to combat that kind of thing going on & I can now see what Tim Clark meant in his recent article when he said that artists would have to rely on other means of making money like getting sponsorship from phone companies , etc... they can no longer depend on album sales & I will be surprised if we ever again see the level of sales that we saw when IC was released... things have changed that much in a short space of time.

I still think the IE Music are very forward thinking in their plans & have things in mind for Rob that we have not even thought of... I think considering the circumstances with Rudebox they may have been pleased enough with the way it performed. 3 million with no promo & a tour on at the same time is pretty good.Rob's career is far from over unless he decides to retire himself & I doubt that as he seems to love making music.

Yes, as a matter of fact I was re-reading 'Feel' last night and came accross this interesting part.

 

"Some very rough maths might be useful and appropriate here. It is reasonable to assume that a record company could recieve between £4 and £5 net on each copy of a current release. (This is before paying out any royalties, which they don't need to while an advance is being recouped, and taking into account their non-recoupable marketing and costs on one hand, but also the profits they may silently make through their share of production and distribution revenue on the other.)

 

Based on that, if his deal were as widely reported, for EMI to break even they might have to sellfewer than 20 million albums of it's term. Escapology has already sold over 6m copies outside America, as did the last album pre-date to this dea, Swing When You're Winning. So unless there is a severe collapse in his sales outside America - the onlu real risk to which EMI are exposing themselves - the deal seems a perfectly good one, without selling a single record in America. (This very rough analysis excludes EMI's share in his other income streams that, even just from this years touring stand to be substantial, though it also excludes the substantial cost of advancing the large cash advance Rob recieved.)"

So as Chris Heath said, he only had to sell less than 20m to break even. He has infact sold nearly 30M now since the deal and loads of singles as well, and then of course the tour which took in hundreds of millions :D

I'm quite certain EMI have made a substantial profit. -_-

I'm quite certain EMI have made a substantial profit. -_-

 

Not as much as Rob has though. ^_^

Oh I certainly hope he's made much more than EMI. :dance: But I wouldn't bet on it. <_<

 

Wonder where he'll be in the 2007 Sunday Times Rich List? It's due out around March/April isn't it? :unsure: