If we were 12th or whatever i would be very concerned but we are only 3 points away from 2nd place

 

We are creating chances but just not putting them away for various reasons, the fact chances are being created is a positive, if chances were not being created i would be bricking it

 

Plus we have a tidy fund for Jan transfer market too, heavily linked with Hernandez, Llorente and Pato

 

Whether any would come or in the case of Hernandez whether Utd would sell is a different matter

 

Chances are no good if nobody can score them though. Like I said it's just like the full season Liverpool had under Kenny. Making loads of chances just makes it worse because everyone gets complacent that there are still more chances going to be made.

 

No chance Man Utd would sell Hernandez to you. You need 2 strikers, a left back and another winger. You're not far away but booing after the Newcastle loss? WHY?? I still don't think AVB is the right manager for you, not sure how patient Levy and Co will be if you fail to get Champions League at the end of the season.

Chances are no good if nobody can score them though. Like I said it's just like the full season Liverpool had under Kenny. Making loads of chances just makes it worse because everyone gets complacent that there are still more chances going to be made.

 

No chance Man Utd would sell Hernandez to you. You need 2 strikers, a left back and another winger. You're not far away but booing after the Newcastle loss? WHY?? I still don't think AVB is the right manager for you, not sure how patient Levy and Co will be if you fail to get Champions League at the end of the season.

 

Levy is a life long Spurs fan, every bad result he takes as badly as any other fan does, but he knows that AVB last season got more points than any other manager we have had and that this season we dont have our best player yet till Sunday had our best ever premiership start, it hasn't been pretty, but short of getting in Jurgen Klopp there is no one that can take us further than AVB

 

Sure someone like Roberto Martinez would jump at the chance of the extra money and bigger budget we have, but would he take us further than AVB is? same with Laudrup, same with Pochettino etc, at best they would be sideways steps

 

I think AVB is safe for at leaat another season tbh

 

 

Levy is a life long Spurs fan, every bad result he takes as badly as any other fan does, but he knows that AVB last season got more points than any other manager we have had and that this season we dont have our best player yet till Sunday had our best ever premiership start, it hasn't been pretty, but short of getting in Jurgen Klopp there is no one that can take us further than AVB

 

Sure someone like Roberto Martinez would jump at the chance of the extra money and bigger budget we have, but would he take us further than AVB is? same with Laudrup, same with Pochettino etc, at best they would be sideways steps

 

I think AVB is safe for at leaat another season tbh

 

Well AVB is a defence led manager. These types are fine as long as they bring some form of success, otherwise their brand of football just gets criticised by the media and fans alike. Pochettino would take you places. It won't be too long until someone poaches him, genuinely one of the world's best young coaches.

Well AVB is a defence led manager. These types are fine as long as they bring some form of success, otherwise their brand of football just gets criticised by the media and fans alike. Pochettino would take you places. It won't be too long until someone poaches him, genuinely one of the world's best young coaches.

 

Not sure on Pochettino yet tbh

 

He was sacked from his previous team, Espanyol, so seems like he has found his niche at Southampton

 

I love his style of play but I don't think he has the career stats atm to justify recruiting him, the Rodgers gamble looks like it might pay off for you guys but with his lack of experience it was a gamble, but it doesn't mean will work every time.

 

We need stability, I read the other day we have sacked NINE managers in the time Wenger has been at Arsenal, changing managers all the time doesn't work, I think AVB needs 3 or 4 years in the job unless there is a dramatic 2 points from first 8 games style meltdown

Not sure on Pochettino yet tbh

 

He was sacked from his previous team, Espanyol, so seems like he has found his niche at Southampton

 

I love his style of play but I don't think he has the career stats atm to justify recruiting him, the Rodgers gamble looks like it might pay off for you guys but with his lack of experience it was a gamble, but it doesn't mean will work every time.

 

We need stability, I read the other day we have sacked NINE managers in the time Wenger has been at Arsenal, changing managers all the time doesn't work, I think AVB needs 3 or 4 years in the job unless there is a dramatic 2 points from first 8 games style meltdown

 

Espanyol always had to sell their best players though every season. Plus his teams usually started off really well, but faded around March time, probably because of the high intensity game they play. If he had a bigger squad perhaps these matters would effect the team less. It can't be too long before a bigger club poaches him.

 

It was a gamble with Rodgers, but we bought in to his vision and ideology, and the appointment was a project not instant. He still makes mistakes, made a lot last season and a few this season but I think he's taking us in the right direction long term. Like you say stability is the key really, especially to long term success, but there's no point being with a manager for the long term if he's not going to be good enough, or is style of play isn't something that you want to see for the next 10 years. It's why Man Utd will ultimately struggle, they've replaced everything that was great about Ferguson and his team with Everton.

Espanyol always had to sell their best players though every season. Plus his teams usually started off really well, but faded around March time, probably because of the high intensity game they play. If he had a bigger squad perhaps these matters would effect the team less. It can't be too long before a bigger club poaches him.

 

It was a gamble with Rodgers, but we bought in to his vision and ideology, and the appointment was a project not instant. He still makes mistakes, made a lot last season and a few this season but I think he's taking us in the right direction long term. Like you say stability is the key really, especially to long term success, but there's no point being with a manager for the long term if he's not going to be good enough, or is style of play isn't something that you want to see for the next 10 years. It's why Man Utd will ultimately struggle, they've replaced everything that was great about Ferguson and his team with Everton.

 

Still think the jury is out on Pochettino, very encouraging signs but I think maybe he needs to manage another club first before us, maybe Everton or Newcastle or something

 

In terms of Utd I think they have pretty much got into their stride now, Moyes got a lot of stick at the beginning and they had a dreadful start but they are putting together a run, I think there is a decent chance they are going to win the title this season, he is no Fergie but no one is, Fergie is one of those once or twice in a lifetime managers like Shankly was

Still think the jury is out on Pochettino, very encouraging signs but I think maybe he needs to manage another club first before us, maybe Everton or Newcastle or something

 

In terms of Utd I think they have pretty much got into their stride now, Moyes got a lot of stick at the beginning and they had a dreadful start but they are putting together a run, I think there is a decent chance they are going to win the title this season, he is no Fergie but no one is, Fergie is one of those once or twice in a lifetime managers like Shankly was

 

A run? Really? All they've done is beaten a few cannon fodder teams that they would expect to beat and beat a good Arsenal team that just don't like playing at Old Trafford. Losing Carrick for the next month is going to be massive for them. Moyes is lucky Rooney has really stepped up his game or else they'd be in deep doo doo. I have a dislike of Manchester United, but Moyes will only take them down, his brand of football is just not for Manchester United. They can't impose themselves on teams anymore and their midfield is quite frankly dreadful Carrick aside. Tom Cleverly is the most overrated player I can ever recall, thankfully everyone is beginning to see it.

A run? Really? All they've done is beaten a few cannon fodder teams that they would expect to beat and beat a good Arsenal team that just don't like playing at Old Trafford. Losing Carrick for the next month is going to be massive for them. Moyes is lucky Rooney has really stepped up his game or else they'd be in deep doo doo. I have a dislike of Manchester United, but Moyes will only take them down, his brand of football is just not for Manchester United. They can't impose themselves on teams anymore and their midfield is quite frankly dreadful Carrick aside. Tom Cleverly is the most overrated player I can ever recall, thankfully everyone is beginning to see it.

 

Same could be said for all the sides though, Liverpool and Arsenal have played mostly cannon fodder till now with an exception or two, Utd do seem to have a fair bit of confidence and so long as Rooney and RVP are fit will be a serious contender for the title imho although I think Chelsea will probably still win it

Same could be said for all the sides though, Liverpool and Arsenal have played mostly cannon fodder till now with an exception or two, Utd do seem to have a fair bit of confidence and so long as Rooney and RVP are fit will be a serious contender for the title imho although I think Chelsea will probably still win it

 

Difference though is both Liverpool and Arsenal were losing to the teams they've beaten this season so far last season. Teams are coming to Old Trafford now to have a go at Man Utd. They'll still be title contenders, but they won't win it. Moyes' super safe ideology will make sure of that

 

Difference though is both Liverpool and Arsenal were losing to the teams they've beaten this season so far last season. Teams are coming to Old Trafford now to have a go at Man Utd. They'll still be title contenders, but they won't win it. Moyes' super safe ideology will make sure of that

 

I think we will have a good idea how it is all going to pan out this season by about new years day tbh

 

You, Arsenal, us, all have a lot of brutally hard games coming up in the next 10 games

Premier League

 

Goalscorers

=01 Sergio Aguero MAN CITY 8

=01 Daniel Sturridge LIVERPOOL 8

=01 Luis Suarez LIVERPOOL 8

=04 Loic Remy NEWCASTLE 7

=04 Robin van Persie MAN UNITED 7

=06 Aaron Ramsey ARSENAL 6

=07 Olivier Giroud ARSENAL 5

=07 Romelu Lukaku EVERTON 5

=07 Wayne Rooney MAN UNITED 5

=07 Yaya Toure MAN CITY 5

 

AVB must surely be on sack watch? I know it sounds daft Craig, but you look absolutely lifeless. Embarrassing display today. You have zero creativity, and I still see nothing in Soldado.

 

Great weekend mind.. so many talking points. Will be interesting to see if the FA take any retrospective action against Mirallias and Rooney after they have the power to do so now.

Aye, and don't forget the overturning of that ridiculous red card that was given to Wes Brown and changed the game. Kevin Friend sent Sunderland to the bottom with that decision and for letting Begovic off with a highly dangerous kung-fu kick. Had he read the game properly then they would probably have won.

AVB must surely be on sack watch? I know it sounds daft Craig, but you look absolutely lifeless. Embarrassing display today. You have zero creativity, and I still see nothing in Soldado.

 

Great weekend mind.. so many talking points. Will be interesting to see if the FA take any retrospective action against Mirallias and Rooney after they have the power to do so now.

 

I don't think he will be sacked yet but apparently Levy is very concerned about our style of play under AVB so there is going to need to be a very big improvement if he is going to be here this time next year

 

Its our style of play that is the issue not any one induvidual striker, right now with the way we play and our slowness in possession i dont think Aguero or even Messi would get many goals, AVB seems to be trying to recreate the George Graham Arsenal era whereas that style of play died out years ago

 

AVB was told its either CL or P45, right now P45 looks more likely

Looks like Carlisle are going to sign Meppen-Walter on an initial one month deal. This makes me think he could be a stop gap to fill the void for when Townsend leaves to go back to his parent club and Chantler is still recovering from injury.

 

It is not creating a stable team up there. The amount of deals lasting a mere month (think we have had a few of those this season) doesn't bode well for consistency for Carlisle. Next up for us is Crewe tomorrow night.

I don't think he will be sacked yet but apparently Levy is very concerned about our style of play under AVB so there is going to need to be a very big improvement if he is going to be here this time next year

 

Its our style of play that is the issue not any one induvidual striker, right now with the way we play and our slowness in possession i dont think Aguero or even Messi would get many goals, AVB seems to be trying to recreate the George Graham Arsenal era whereas that style of play died out years ago

 

AVB was told its either CL or P45, right now P45 looks more likely

 

Agree there's a massive problem with your style of play currently, but a lot of it comes down to the players you bought in the summer. Dembele is massively off form and wants out, but you've too many 'destroyer' types and not enough creativity. I think he plays Holtby wrong, and still early to tell for Eriksen. You needed a left back in the summer, not bought one. Baffling decision to get rid of Caulker too. You've two wide players who just don't have a clue how to play against firm opposition (Lennon and Townsend). You needed Lamela and Soldado to hit the ground running, but neither have. Looks like AVB might have lost the dressing room like at Chelsea.

 

Bale massively covered the cracks last year.

The whole lack of creativity from midfield is a very Portugal problem. Of course Portugal have a player to get them out of pretty much any situation, which Spurs no longer do.

Agree there's a massive problem with your style of play currently, but a lot of it comes down to the players you bought in the summer. Dembele is massively off form and wants out, but you've too many 'destroyer' types and not enough creativity. I think he plays Holtby wrong, and still early to tell for Eriksen. You needed a left back in the summer, not bought one. Baffling decision to get rid of Caulker too. You've two wide players who just don't have a clue how to play against firm opposition (Lennon and Townsend). You needed Lamela and Soldado to hit the ground running, but neither have. Looks like AVB might have lost the dressing room like at Chelsea.

 

Bale massively covered the cracks last year.

 

While i agree with much of that, Caulker was a liability for us last season, responsible for more goals than any other defender, so he needed a fresh start somewhere else, once Rose gets back then Vertonghen will be able to slip back into his preferred CB position again, but conceding hasn't been a big issue really this season bar City, we conceded as many goals in one game as we had the previous 11 games so i think despite the freakshow on Sunday our defence is fundamentally strong.

 

There is plenty of money available for Jan so a new LB and striker need to be a priority

The whole lack of creativity from midfield is a very Portugal problem. Of course Portugal have a player to get them out of pretty much any situation, which Spurs no longer do.

 

Lamela was bought to solve that matter but for one reason or another hasn't worked out

While i agree with much of that, Caulker was a liability for us last season, responsible for more goals than any other defender, so he needed a fresh start somewhere else, once Rose gets back then Vertonghen will be able to slip back into his preferred CB position again, but conceding hasn't been a big issue really this season bar City, we conceded as many goals in one game as we had the previous 11 games so i think despite the freakshow on Sunday our defence is fundamentally strong.

 

There is plenty of money available for Jan so a new LB and striker need to be a priority

 

Conceding hasn't been a major issue for you because AVB sets his team up to be defensively solid. Must surely be a worry that if you go a goal or two down though, the system is not flexible enough to create goals. AVB doesn't seem to be of the mindset to change it up much either. City played really well on Sunday, and I don't think the early goal helped matters, but City exploited all the holes in your system easily. Soldado is not set up to be THAT striker in the system you play - so it begs the question, why did your scouting team buy him? It's shortsighted. Either you change the system to fit the players you buy, or you buy players to fit the system. Baffling either way mate. Another part of the problem is that you've so many new players playing too that weren't playing with the first team last season.

 

You have a DOF set-up don't you now? Baldini is the one pulling the strings, not AVB. You seem to have done what Liverpool did with their summer of investment, wasted a ton of money.

 

 

Lamela was bought to solve that matter but for one reason or another hasn't worked out

 

Lamela isn't up to the pace of the Premier League yet. Two big money strikers, and one of them needed to hit the ground up and running, but it hasn't happened. The lad is obviously a quality player, and I think he's someone that will come good once he's settled to the pace, and perhaps when there's not as much pressure on him. You lack creativity massively, and you did last season too. Infact you've never really replaced Modric or Van Der Vaart. You've some of the players to do it though, but it does look as if the system/manager is the elephant in the room.