i am ALL FOR a 20th century PRESIDENTIAL RATE

 

though will we get more than 2 votes idk

GO FOR IT (or even better, presidential boot + immune *.*)

 

-1 Warren Harding

I really don't like the idea of Hillary being President at all. Apart from being a woman, it's hard to know what she actually stands for, since her 2008 campaign was pretty vacuous and just consisted of her rejecting most of Obama's ideas without proposing any of her own. One of the biggest challenges over the next 10 years imo is going to be a global crackdown on tax avoidance (since that's the only way to fill budget black holes), and tbh I'm not sure she'd be willing to do it, whereas Obama is gradually edging US somewhere towards it. Plus, I don't even want to think about what she'd be like on foreign policy - the Syrian war would probably be ten times worse with any times more deaths if she'd been president this year, for a start.

 

I'm still hoping Joe Biden might go for it. I do think, despite the polls currently saying she's a heavy favourite (though they also said that in '08...), she's in danger of being beaten to the Democrats' nomination by someone proposing more left-wing and inspirational policies if she just runs on a vacuous "experience" platform again.

Edited November 11, 201311 yr by Danny

They are more likely to choose someone like that Rubio moron, a guy that raises money for an organisation to turn gay people straight, positively barmy :/

 

While the GOP are in the pocket of the tea party its best that Democrats have the nuclear button

The influence of the Tea Party should be seen as a warning of what could happen here if the Lib Dems are obliterated at the next election as some people seem to wish. In a strict two party system there is always the risk that one of the parties can be taken over by a bunch of nut jobs who think that people who instinctively oppose the other party will vote for them regardless of their policies. The same thing happened her with Labour's suicide note 1983 manifesto. The difference is that we had a third party able to try and take advantage. The Americans don't have that and, as long as they use First Past The Post, probably never will. They will continue with the absurdity of a country of 300 million people with only two parties of any consequence.

i miss the era of boot and immunes. if anyone thought i COMPLAINED too much now :(

 

ullyses (pronounced you--lis-es) s grant +8.3

DISCLAIMER: all previous Nixon-related foreign policy praise of course does not include Chile

I'm still hoping Joe Biden might go for it. I do think, despite the polls currently saying she's a heavy favourite (though they also said that in '08...), she's in danger of being beaten to the Democrats' nomination by someone proposing more left-wing and inspirational policies if she just runs on a vacuous "experience" platform again.

It's because she's already been burned once on this that I can't imagine her making the same mistake come 2016.

well if reagan can have his iran-contra DEBACLE and still be viewed as one of the greatest presidents ever, why not nixon's little chile little DALEANCÉ

well if reagan can have his iran-contra DEBACLE and still be viewed as one of the greatest presidents ever, why not nixon's little chile little DALEANCÉ

Well it generally only TENDS to be one side that considers Reagan to be such a bb (anyway Chile totally outranks Iran-Contra and Reagan never put his pussáy on the DNC's sideburns)

It's because she's already been burned once on this that I can't imagine her making the same mistake come 2016.

 

But I wonder if she's so calculating and cautious that she'll always be too scared to ever say anything remotely radical or outside of conventional thinking. She certainly hasn't said anything about what she really stands for in any of her recent speeches or interviews.

 

Plus, I fear that, when she does start campaigning, she'll distance herself from Obama (even healthcare maybe?) and say she'd be more consensual and not be as radical as he was. I'm not sure that will go down well at all with Democrats.

Edited November 11, 201311 yr by Danny

I can't see her distancing herself from Obama on healthcare given her attempt to institute universal healthcare was probably what she was most known for before becoming Secretary of State!

I can't see her distancing herself from Obama on healthcare given her attempt to institute universal healthcare was probably what she was most known for before becoming Secretary of State!

 

Mitt Romney's signature achievement when he was governor of a state was bringing in universal healthcare, before he then fought to be president last year with one of his flagship stances being repeal of a very similar healthcare law :P

 

Hillary definitely didn't mention healthcare much in her '08 campaign, not even as much as Obama (who himself didn't really talk about it much before he got into office).

True, but Romney DID have to go through a base which would have never let him through on a thing he was prior to those primaries. He had to forsake pretty much everything, and even then he still had to limp to that victory.

 

Hillary won't have to do likewise in 2016 - and in 2008, given it was her most prominent failure, I can understand why she wasn't so keen to bring up healthcare again under the low-risk strategy she opted for (which ultimately didn't work, so maybe she should have done to fire up the base - but it makes strategic sense why she didn't mention it given the tactic for victory was one of projecting herself as the consensus experience candidate, so making something so closely associated with her as a high-profile failure wouldn't have worked with the experience angle quite so well).

Surely it matters who her most prominent rival for the nomination is. If she has a clear run she'll be able to effectively start setting her stall out nationally early (as Obama did in '12 and Romney would have been able to had the GOP not been such nutters), but to me it seemed in '08 that she was, quite understandably, very conscious of Obama's key demographics and had to distance herself from him.

 

Chris Christie is the only Republican who would really worry me. Rubio obviously has the Latino base but I don't think he's cut out for it. Polling seems to having Jeb Bush as the second most likely but I can't see how he could ever win against Hillary. Or Biden for that matter.

Oh and I'm well up for a postwar Presidents rate (and PMs).

MAKE IT HAPPEN JAKE

Surely it matters who her most prominent rival for the nomination is. If she has a clear run she'll be able to effectively start setting her stall out nationally early (as Obama did in '12 and Romney would have been able to had the GOP not been such nutters), but to me it seemed in '08 that she was, quite understandably, very conscious of Obama's key demographics and had to distance herself from him.

 

Chris Christie is the only Republican who would really worry me. Rubio obviously has the Latino base but I don't think he's cut out for it. Polling seems to having Jeb Bush as the second most likely but I can't see how he could ever win against Hillary. Or Biden for that matter.

Christie is surely a heart attack waiting to happen.

Christie is surely a heart attack waiting to happen.

Alright CRAIG

Rubio has FORSAKEN PURITY and backed immigration reform, so he's now untouchable. More likely Ted Cruz if there's going to be a base fave. It'll be Cruz vs. Rand Paul vs. one of Jeb Bush or Christie, depending on which the establishment can railroad through.

 

Wasn't Cruz born in Canada or something? would he even be allowed to be president? Arnie was not allowed to stand for president due to being born in Austria

 

Christie is a down to earth bloke but indeed looks to me like a heart attack waiting to happen given his John Candy like physique

 

Bush, too tainted by Florida 2000 an the fact that he is the brother of the most vile and incompetent president of my lifetime

Edited November 12, 201311 yr by Sandro Raniere

Oh and I'm well up for a postwar Presidents rate (and PMs).

 

Thatcher - 11

Blair - -1

 

Clinton - 11

Reagan - 10

Bush Jr - -1

Thatcher - 11

Blair - -1

I don't think you've thought that through.