I read today about All Saints, that for their new album they're looking to go in the direction of Ska because they really like No Doubt/Gwen Stefani. Yes, I think people look at the music scene, to find out what's popular and are too easily influenced by it. Makes everything too samey. Thank goodness not all artists are like that, though, a lot of them have their very own, unique style, thankfully.

But Madonna went back....to Abba....for her first single. Where's the innovation in that?

But Madonna went back....to Abba....for her first single. Where's the innovation in that?

 

Her album was a masterpiece, she covered an area of pop music that was lacking in the market and tried to popularise it again. And for that, Madonna has my upmost respect.

Her album was a masterpiece, she covered an area of pop music that was lacking in the market and tried to popularise it again. And for that, Madonna has my upmost respect.

 

Mine too. That album is absolutely brilliant

It's a fantastic album, but I'm guessing the people criticising her or anyone else for doing something different and/or being inspired by artists that have gone before them are people that just don't like those artists or what they've produced this time around.

 

I loved Nelly's first album and bought that, and I love her new sound, and will buy this album. If I can love both these sounds, then so can she. Critics will always say someone they don't like is jumping on a bandwagon, whilst fans will say they are influenced by the music around them that they love.

 

The only problem I have is with acts who do music they don't like, and that's mainly because it shows. When a singer or band perform music they love, the performance is so much better. If you aren't respectful of your music then you aren't respecting the fans who love that music. One recent example of that would be Charlie from Busted complaining about how their music.

I don't think her last album set the world alight so she had to go back to what she does best. Good for her - it worked - this time.

Madonna, who was nominated in five categories, won nothing :cool:

 

It's all a matter of opinion - masterpiece or not.

Edited September 1, 200618 yr by munchkin

But Madonna went back....to Abba....for her first single. Where's the innovation in that?

 

I'm not a fan of her past two or three albums to be honest, I was taking her 20-odd year career as a WHOLE. It may be in the future she will come back with something that will pique my interest (a'la "Like A Prayer, "Ray of Light" or "Erotica", all albums which have rather different approaches, but still defined by her as an artist...); but I kinda agree about the whole 'sampling Abba' thing, it was kinda lame of her....

 

I respect Madonna, even when I've not necessarily liked what she has done at a particular point, she constantly strives, searches, pushes boundaries....

 

...Nelly Furtado on the other hand, is just a sell-out, she turned herself into a one-woman Pussycat Dolls just because it was trendy...

She had to come back with something that she knew would be well received. Pure pop.

 

pushes boundaries

- I think she may have pushed the boundaries a bit too far with her videos though - they didn't impress at the VMAs :cool: I think the sight of a 40 year old in leotards was a bit :blink:

Edited September 1, 200618 yr by munchkin

How true.

Look at Mariah Carey - Christina Aguilera - Gwen Stefani

 

I used to be a fan of all of them but since they've changed, i'm not a fan of any of them now.

 

Well, judging by your sig, you graduated to a much better musical choice.... Within Temptation are an amazing band, Sharon Den Adel is an utter Goddess and one of the best female vocalists on the planet..... :wub:

 

But of course, WT have gone through an evolution in their musical style as well, if you compare "Silent Enigma" to "The Dance" or "Enter", there is a more polished, epic quality to the later material, with "Mother Earth" being the link between the old and new styles... Difference being that WT's changes have come about as a natural process of musical evolution and a growth in confidence in their own abilities as a unit, quite different to selling out just to be part of a trend....

She had to come back with something that she knew would be well received. Pure pop.

 

- I think she may have pushed the boundaries a bit too far with her videos though - they didn't impress at the VMAs :cool: I think the sight of a 40 year old in leotards was a bit :blink:

 

Who gives a sh!t about industry awards though, since when have they actually proven anything....? And like I say, I think there's a bit too much focus on this particular era of her career as opposed to looking at the full picture. After all, you wouldn't just look at ONE corner of Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel or Da Vinci's "The Last Supper" would you...? Look at the vids for "Like A Prayer", "Erotica", "Frozen", "Vogue" - works of art, every one....

Who gives a sh!t about industry awards though, since when have they actually proven anything....? And like I say, I think there's a bit too much focus on this particular era of her career as opposed to looking at the full picture. After all, you wouldn't just look at ONE corner of Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel or Da Vinci's "The Last Supper" would you...? Look at the vids for "Like A Prayer", "Erotica", "Frozen", "Vogue" - works of art, every one....

 

Bet she does. To be nominated five times and not win anything. Bet she was gutted.

 

But the title of the thread is about what they are doing now - which is why I focus on this era - not what was done previously.

 

Bet she does. To be nominated five times and not win anything. Bet she was gutted.

 

 

I very much doubt it... 20 years in the Industry, the respect of all her peers, hundreds of millions of albums sold all over the world, and the fact that over the years she's probably won enough of these things to fill about two or three trophy cases.... I somehow doubt she was crying into her pint.... :lol: :lol:

 

And anyway, you kinda HAVE to look at what an artist has done previously in order to compare it to what they are doing now. Like I say, the 'big picture'..... ;)

I very much doubt it... 20 years in the Industry, the respect of all her peers, hundreds of millions of albums sold all over the world, and the fact that over the years she's probably won enough of these things to fill about two or three trophy cases.... I somehow doubt she was crying into her pint.... :lol: :lol:

 

And anyway, you kinda HAVE to look at what an artist has done previously in order to compare it to what they are doing now. Like I say, the 'big picture'..... ;)

 

But it must still be satisfying to know that all her recent hard work and millions she has spent has at least been acknowledged - no matter how long she has been in the business. Why make a come-back if she still didn't crave the accolades and prove that she's still got what it takes to be up there with the chart stars now. I know she has the respect but it's for her back catalogue - not what she is capable of now. I think she just needed to prove it.

Edited September 1, 200618 yr by munchkin

But it must still be satisfying to know that all her recent hard work and millions she has spent has at least been acknowledged - no matter how long she has been in the business.

 

Depends on your definition of 'acknowlegement' really. Surely thousands of fans going apesh!t at the live shows and millions of people buying the album is all the 'acknowlegement' any artist really needs. Call me old fashioned, but I dont think some Industry trinket is all that important to any serious band or artist....

Depends on your definition of 'acknowlegement' really. Surely thousands of fans going apesh!t at the live shows and millions of people buying the album is all the 'acknowlegement' any artist really needs. Call me old fashioned, but I dont think some Industry trinket is all that important to any serious band or artist....

 

I do agree with you on this - a 'trinket' doesn't prove anything - but she's been out of the loop for a long time and, I don't care what you say, I bet she wouldn't have refused it(them) :P

Edited September 1, 200618 yr by munchkin

I do agree with you on this - a 'trinket' doesn't prove anything - but she's been out of the loop for a long time and, I don't care what you say, I bet she wouldn't have refused it(them) :P

 

Nah, she probably wouldn't have knocked it back like (very few would), but at the end of the day, it's probably just gonna be another door-stop or book-end for her.... :lol: She'd go through the motions of being 'delighted' to receive it, but she's savvy enough to know it's ultimately meaningless and it's all just PR bollox at the end of the day (it's only utter arses like Justin Hawkins that take Awards Ceremonies seriously :lol: ...). I dont think it would mean anything like as much to her as the adulation of her fans....

If things didn't change the world wouldn't move on.

If things didn't change the world wouldn't move on.

 

 

Some things never change.

Edited September 2, 200618 yr by munchkin

I think reinvention is the key to success though. Everything goes 'out of fashion' eventually, and those acts who haven't changed their musical directions are inevitably the ones who aren't around anymore. This is why people like Madonna are still going strong - constantly reinventing herself and experimenting with new styles of music. Christina Aguilera, Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake have all done the smart thing and bought out new albums with fresh new sounds - and they've done really well out of it. :D

 

That is exactly right. ^_^ Every artist always needs a change whether it be a major or a minor one. Your always going to get fans who don't agree but then your always going to get fans that wouldn't agree if they didn't change their sound, so the artist can never win at the end of the day. -_-

 

Personally I really like the new Nelly sound. Its sounds a lot more fresher and its a good change. Not everyone is going to agree but then thats what opinions are for.

Her first 2 albums were relativly simmilar in sound and the only change seemed like a natural progression. Loose was a total 180. That is not re-invention, dear. That is selling out.

Madonna re-invents herself but if she suddenly went jamacian because thats whats "in" at the moment I would say the exact same thing about her as I have Nelly. She is just following a succesful trend

Excuse me dear. Whoa! Nelly was a pop album (according to Nelly), Folklore was a folk album (according to Nelly) folk music and pop music are nowhere near similar. She went from a pop beat to a banjo, hardly similar.

 

Erm incase you've forgotten Madonna's last album was known as Madonna's RAP album, and the new album is a DANCE album. Now dance and rap, similar? No. So no that's not a re-invention because she feels like it, she's going to what sells. There's nothing wrong with that of course, but don't try to paint Madonna out to be some kind of revolution all on her own.