Take That are no3 in albums and no4 in singles in first set of midweeks. Their album is well behind Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith so unlikely to catch up.

Not too bad? Sorry, For a band like TT it is a disaster in a market like Germany which is known to stay faithful with established acts. Germany had always the second most crazy Thatters behind the UK. The Netherlands, Denmark and Italy should have been clear charts success. Progress (with Robbie) showed what is possible when he sings with them and the album has quality. But you can also see a 26 spot through pink glasses. The promo argument does not count. I am from the Netherlands and as a TT and Robbie fan have seen all their performances/interviews online as if I would live in the UK. And who else than fans watch this? This is valid for everyone from TT to U2 to Coldplay. There were articles in German media and also spots in TV. How do they chart in Holland where they did promo?

I am relatively happy with both mid week positions, i knew Ed Sheeran would return to number 1, i am more concerned with sales. Almost 20,000 in the first update, i am hoping that is enough to equate to 100,000 minimum for this week.

Not too bad? Sorry, For a band like TT it is a disaster in a market like Germany which is known to stay faithful with established acts. Germany had always the second most crazy Thatters behind the UK. The Netherlands, Denmark and Italy should have been clear charts success. Progress (with Robbie) showed what is possible when he sings with them and the album has quality. But you can also see a 26 spot through pink glasses. The promo argument does not count. I am from the Netherlands and as a TT and Robbie fan have seen all their performances/interviews online as if I would live in the UK. And who else than fans watch this? This is valid for everyone from TT to U2 to Coldplay. There were articles in German media and also spots in TV. How do they chart in Holland where they did promo?

 

 

It's certainly not the disaster you're making it out to be. They'll make top 10 in Germany when they promo it.

 

Completely agree with Pippa, they have the #1 album, now it's all about sales. Hopefully over 100,000 a week now up to Xmas

Edited December 9, 201410 yr by jay727

Hi, first time poster but I've enjoyed reading people's opinions for some time. I had a gut feeling that this period would be difficult for the band and so it's turned out. Whilst it's been an achievement to reach No 1 in the chart the bottom line is sales figures, and I have to agree with Elisabeth - it's been a really poor campaign. Progress , BW and Circus sold in incredible numbers in their first 4 weeks -lll doesn't look like it's going to get close. I think the record company and the lads will be very disappointed with the sales figures and I don't think they expected them to be so poor (by TT standards). Unless sales pick up quickly they will be lucky to reach 500,000 -6000,000 which constitutes a massive drop. What makes it even stranger is the huge ticket sales for the tour, yet to date people haven't bought the album in great numbers.

 

One has to ask why? Jason departure was obviously a blow and the length of time between albums is probably a contributory factor. However I do think the tax issue has influenced the public's view of TT and as much as I love the band I think they underestimated the importance of their reputations and relied too heavily on their faithful fan base to see them through . The press has used every opportunity to raise the tax issue and the reviews for lll have largely been awful. TT should have swallowed their pride much earlier and apologized which would have diluted some of the criticism at least. I also think the musical direction they've chosen has been a factor. Many people bought Progress but disliked the musical direction it took, as did I. lll is more of a fusion of BW, Circus and Progress and I actually love it, but for many casual music buyers it's too far removed from the BW album. I think it's a shame as in my view it's their best work since BW and the songs will sound fantastic live. TT tours will always sell well because they are a renowned live act, however there is no disputing the fact that TT are seeing a considerable decline in their album sales which may represent a permanent and unexpected decline in their popularity.

Thanks dylandog. You make the point clear. It is nice to be a TT fan and see anything through tinted glasses, but sometimes the reality is different. I guess that the discrepancy between sales figures and ticket demand is due to the fact that TT is known as huge live band and fans are hungry after 4 years and know they will hear all the old hits, too. The new album has not made an impact yet.

A lot of TT fans did not mind the absence of Robbie, both acts have proved to be great with and without each other. But they mind the departure of Jason.

As of sales figures. 500,000 if they are lucky is poor.

I don't agree with the promo thing either, Jay. They did promo in Holland (radio, TV) and it brought hem nowhere despite we are a TT country.

Gary did promo in Germany, charted shortly, but was forgotten equally fast.

He promised to tour Australia and Germany solo...he didn't, ask why.

TT promised European tour dates and have not delivered them...yet. They will have a thought if they will tour Europe based on an album which does not sell or with the hope that the tickets are bought because of their live status.

This can be so, but it is not necessarily like that. They toured BW in Europe and the venues were half empty in parts.

with potentially 500,000 albums sold in Britain (which I doubt) and 80,000 max in Europe, you can call the album a for TT, despite all the hype created. The thatters are always faithful, the causal album buyer has moved on.

This is not only valid for TT but will be similar for the next real Robbie album. He, too, has to grab the casual buyer. His advantage though is that he sells all over Europe and in Australia, a fact TT3/TT4 has to proof

 

 

Switzerland in at #59 and album chartings:

 

Switzerland

 

Nobody Else: 1 (4 weeks) 1995 22 weeks G

Progress: 2 2010 20 weeks G

Greatest Hits: 2 1996 17 weeks PL

Beautiful World: 6 2006 23 weeks G

Everything Changes: 9 1993 39 weeks PL

The Circus: 22 2008 13 weeks

III: 59 2014

Never Forget - The Ultimate Collection: 73 2005 1 week

 

Spain in at #54 and album chartings:

 

Spain

 

Greatest Hits: 1 (3 weeks) 1996 24 weeks PL

Nobody Else: 2 1995 22 weeks G

Beautiful World: 16 2006 14 weeks

Progress: 17 2010 15 weeks

The Circus: 27 2008 7 weeks

III: 54 2014

Edited December 10, 201410 yr by nirvanamusic

III is no5 in midweeks today and could be no6 by sunday as George Ezra is apparently selling faster and catching up quick. The boys need to do some promotion to help the album over the Christmas period.

Promo is definitely needed, is it this week they are on strictly??hey need to push promotion to maximise sales especially in the actual Christmas week. These Days is selling decently this week, 20k so far so they will manage at least another 50k by the end of the week. Its a huge shame they are not on the bill for the x factor final.

Promo is definitely needed, is it this week they are on strictly??hey need to push promotion to maximise sales especially in the actual Christmas week. These Days is selling decently this week, 20k so far so they will manage at least another 50k by the end of the week. Its a huge shame they are not on the bill for the x factor final.

 

It seems Take That have now been added to the X Factor final Bill - looks like they'll be dueting with all 3 finalists singing Rule The World

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/take-th...r-final-4786615

 

They are SCD on the 20th

Edited December 11, 201410 yr by jay727

they are on the bill now doing Rule the world with the contestants. Disappointing sales and chart position. They are doing the Voice in Germany this week. It will be interesting to see if that will help sales

X Factor final is promotion in itself and its getting the name out there, i hope it can boost sales, and it will add more sales to the already impressive Rule The World. With strictly the week after that should have an effect too.

In at #39 in Italy where their album chartings look like this:

 

Italy

 

Nobody Else: 1 (3 weeks) 1995 22 weeks 4x Platinum

Greatest Hits: 1 (1 week) 1996 14 weeks (no cert known)

Progress: 3 2010 33 weeks PL

Everything Changes: 13 1993 11 weeks PL

Beautiful World: 25 2006 28 weeks G

The Circus: 32 2008 8 weeks

III: 39 2014

 

Yes it would be nice if all the III peaks move up and hopefully they will but at least the album is charting in countries. If you compare them to Boyzone who granted weren't as big as TT in Europe but still a big boyband of the time Take That are consistently charting in foreign fields with or without Robbie and now also Jason. The second single is coming in January I think and hopefully the film will do well overseas also to boost exposure to the track.

Edited December 11, 201410 yr by nirvanamusic

Yes absolutely, they are still charting in Europe which is great. Once they've done some promo out there and announce tour dates soon then hopefully that will drive a higher charting

I never really take interest or follow how they perform in Europe, i solely watch the UK performance and have a look in at the performance in Ireland as i often find those territories inter-linked.

 

 

isn't it a bit of a tunnel vision to only loo at the UK :-)? I wonder if this is a fans only thread. Place 39 means they sell 4,000 copies and as I said promo didn't help them in Europe, where they do chart.... with a good album and Robbie in the fold

The more I hear These Days, the more it sounds like yet another 'classic' to add to the canon.

 

The album is definitely not a TT classic though, although I do like it a lot.

The more I hear These Days, the more it sounds like yet another 'classic' to add to the canon.

 

The album is definitely not a TT classic though, although I do like it a lot.

 

Absolutely, it's a great great song.

 

Really enjoying the album, wish it would kick on in the charts though

Always think that TT's promotion is never quite right. They've sung These Days on the X Factor, Grahame Norton and I think they sing it on the up coming Strictly show. In my view they've really they missed an opportunity to show case other songs from the album and performing These Days once again isn't likely to kick start album sales. I am truly baffled by some of the choices they make. They never seem to have enough faith in their new material and always fall back on their back catalogue. They should have taken a gamble and gone for a new song off the album because at this point I don't think they have anything to lose. Love lll and it's a shame it hasn't been embraced by the public.

Always think that TT's promotion is never quite right. They've sung These Days on the X Factor, Grahame Norton and I think they sing it on the up coming Strictly show. In my view they've really they missed an opportunity to show case other songs from the album and performing These Days once again isn't likely to kick start album sales. I am truly baffled by some of the choices they make. They never seem to have enough faith in their new material and always fall back on their back catalogue. They should have taken a gamble and gone for a new song off the album because at this point I don't think they have anything to lose. Love lll and it's a shame it hasn't been embraced by the public.

 

I don't think TT are bothered by the poor (by their standards) album sales or chart positioning. Its all about tours and all the money-making things that go with tours these days (all acts) and Take That have no fears on that front. Having said that - this will be the first tour they've done that I have absolutely zilch interest in! There isn't even a Robbie to pique my interest - as Progress had.

 

I quite like the single (not enough to waste money on it) but I've no curiosity in listening to anything else on the album. The tax arrangements of the three of them just leave me disgusted. It isn't just TT either. My son has totally gone off the Arctic Monkeys for the same reason.