Surprised about Denmark hopefully promo or a tour would make the album rise overseas. No certs known for 90's.

 

Denmark:

 

Progress: 1 (4 weeks) 2010 2x PL

Greatest Hits: 1 (3 weeks) 1996

Beautiful World: 2 2006 PL

Nobody Else: 3 1995

Everything Changes: 6 1993

The Circus: 13 2008 G

III: 23 2014

 

Japan:

 

Nobody Else: 6 1995 G

Greatest Hits: 12 1996 PL

Everything Changes: 25 1993

Beautiful World: 40 2006

Take That & Party: 45 1992

Progress: 145 2010

III: 182 2014

The Circus: 197 2008

Never Forget: The Ultimate Collection: 224 2005

Edited January 8, 201510 yr by nirvanamusic

For me, what the media says and what people think are 2 different things, but let's let that rest. There's always the facts and what people think about the facts. While people's opinions may be important, they can't change facts. And the fact is that Robbie has never been an integral part of TT.

 

By the "GB sound", yes I meant Gary's voice and, to some extent, his style of music as well. While Mark's influence may have grown over time, most TT fans would not buy an album full of indie songs. As I've already pointed out, Gary has to be given more songs than the others also for practical reasons: the live performances. Without meaning to be disrespectful or put anyone down, how many fans would buy tickets to a concert where Mark is the main performer and Gary just a backing singer? The answer is in Mark's solo tour.

An album full of indie songs? Ok, from this I assume that A) you are not very familiar with Mark's solo work or B) you and I don't define "indie songs" in the same way. My guess is A ;) Mark's solo work is so much more than just indie. Also, if you look at the credits for both The Circus and III where Jamie Norton and Ben Mark (Mark's long time writing partners) are listed for the songs it's a big chance that Mark had a lot to do with those songs. Not so much indie there I think :P That includes These Days, which I heard in an interview, originated from Mark.

 

I'm totally aware of the fact that most TT fans are also GB fans and I have never, or would never, suggest that Mark should be the main performer. But I do like that they all share lead vocals from time to time as that gives the music more diversity, in my opinion.

 

Fans of both are lucky, both acts have remained very successful and both continue to release music, enough to keep all happy. The fans of Take That and Robbie are extremely lucky. If we look at all the bands before and after them, Take That have stood the test of time, Robbies solo career likewise, Gary has built up decent solo success and although not commercially as successful, fans of Mark are still getting solo music from him.

Exactly! Very well said.

 

 

I really enjoyed the concert on BBC R2. It was great to hear and see them together, and I thought the new songs were stronger and sounded much better live than on the record.

 

 

The radio 2 concert was fantastic, absolutely great dynamic between them and great set list (opening with the garden was excellent!)

 

I think we need to move back to the topic here. Elizabeth, we know Robbie is big. But so are TT. Robbie didn't write the flood :lol: I also very much doubt he sold 2 million of SBW. Incidentally after Xmas it plummeted down the charts.

 

I take an interest in Robbie and it's nice that when TT have a year off we now have Robbie or Gary solo records to get us through the gap. Who cares who sells what and who sells more records in Vietnam or wherever...lets just be thankful we have such great music we can enjoy every year or so

The radio 2 concert was fantastic, absolutely great dynamic between them and great set list (opening with the garden was excellent!)

 

I think we need to move back to the topic here. Elizabeth, we know Robbie is big. But so are TT. Robbie didn't write the flood :lol: I also very much doubt he sold 2 million of SBW. Incidentally after Xmas it plummeted down the charts.

 

I take an interest in Robbie and it's nice that when TT have a year off we now have Robbie or Gary solo records to get us through the gap. Who cares who sells what and who sells more records in Vietnam or wherever...lets just be thankful we have such great music we can enjoy every year or so

 

Well said!! I agree with everything you say.

 

I watched a couple of songs online of the concert and they seemed really at ease and the new stuff sounded great. The Garden is one of my favourites, but being a Jay fan I do miss seeing him there. I wonder whether he'll be back for the 25th anniversary, though judging by the tone of his resignation letter I can't see it happening. :cry:

 

jay ,yes Robbie wrote the flood before reuniting with TT. it is in chris heath book he wrote it 2008/9. SBW sold 790,000 in the UK an 2mi;;ion worldwide (600,000 in Germany). Don't forget that different to TT he is INTERNATIONAL successful. the numbers are official. a long way to go for TT also to have 17 Brit awards an 8 echos. TT is big ....in the UK without him...but even there they failed this time to impress the passer by

oh and Germany, Denmark is not vietnam...and believe me, if TT would sell there it would be important for you. denial does not change facts

Elisabeth, there's a Robbie forum on buzzjack, for Robbie fans like you. Instead of trying to spoil the TT forum why don't you try that

jay ,yes Robbie wrote the flood before reuniting with TT. it is in chris heath book he wrote it 2008/9. SBW sold 790,000 in the UK an 2mi;;ion worldwide (600,000 in Germany). Don't forget that different to TT he is INTERNATIONAL successful. the numbers are official. a long way to go for TT also to have 17 Brit awards an 8 echos. TT is big ....in the UK without him...but even there they failed this time to impress the passer by

This will be my last post about Robbie, cause I'm tired of discussing about him, especially since your intention is obviously to big him up and put Take That down. Besides, you never reply to other points than the ones that are convenient for your cause.

Robbie did NOT sell 790k in UK - unless you have proof for that. As far as I'm aware, the official figures are somewhere around 710-715k, just a few thousands more than Gary. Also, in Germany, he only sold 400k, which is impressive in itself, but I wish you'd stop exaggerating with those numbers.

Of course he'd sell more than TT outside UK, since he does lots of promo everywhere, unlike TT. That does not cover the fact that his songs have been avreage lately and he has failed to write relevant music. Selling so much on the back of a covers album is not my idea of a succesful artist.

Even 1D have Brit awards, so let's not go there. Gary has 6 Ivors for the music he wrote himself, not for something co-written or written by somebody else.

 

As for The Flood, I don't know who Chris Heath is or why I should believe him. Gary has provided evidence about how he wrote the song. Why would have Robbie written The Flood in 2008 and saved it for TT? It's completely illogical.

I don't get why you need to come on here and belittle Take That's success either.

 

We all know that worldwide Robbie is more successful than Take That, but this is a Take That forum. You wouldn't like it if we went on the Robbie forum to have a pop at him and his ego. And BTW, I know none of Take That are perfect either.

 

You can't take away the fact that they've had a very successful and long career - a career that many artists would kill to have. They've also won awards, but of course they wouldn't have as many as Robbie due to not being so successful worldwide.

 

And I'm sorry but the Brits are a joke anyway. Everyone knows that The Brits takes itself much too seriously. They're hardly the calibre of the Ivor Novellos and are mostly voted for by a load of musical big-wigs who are so up their own arses that they only vote for what they see as "cool". They like Rob but not Take That very much, which was noticeable when they won awards the year that Rob came back and the only awards they won when he wasn't around were the music audience voted ones.

 

Now, can we please get back on topic on 111, not how great Rob is compared to Take That? :P

And I'm sorry but the Brits are a joke anyway. Everyone knows that The Brits takes itself much too seriously. They're hardly the calibre of the Ivor Novellos and are mostly voted for by a load of musical big-wigs who are so up their own arses that they only vote for what they see as "cool". They like Rob but not Take That very much, which was noticeable when they won awards the year that Rob came back and the only awards they won when he wasn't around were the music audience voted ones.

 

Now, can we please get back on topic on 111, not how great Rob is compared to Take That? :P

 

I agree with you about The Brit Awards - however I highlight your comment about the Novellos as they're nothing much to write home about either. I'd quantify that by a comment Gary himself made when being interviewed by Andi Peters. I think it was just after TT split and he was showing Andi around his massive mansion in Cheshire. Andi commented that Gary appeared to not have his Novellos in high display to which Gary replied (not his exact words) 'I don't take them seriously now that the Spice Girls have received one'. Gary is a huge bundle of contradictions though - I even remember a comment he made in an interview he did (on TT's success and reflecting on his inability to crack the States) his words were 'I'm so OVER America' and yet he seems to be sniffing around Broadway and is hand-in-hand with Harvey Weinstein. Having said that he said he hated being a solo artist and he didn't want to 'go back there'. He'd tried it once and found it wasn't very nice ... well I suppose for his legions of fans its a good job that he once again contradicted himself. I still like the concept of Take That and most of the tunes are great - but Gary Barlow is full of shit!

 

I agree with you about The Brit Awards - however I highlight your comment about the Novellos as they're nothing much to write home about either. I'd quantify that by a comment Gary himself made when being interviewed by Andi Peters. I think it was just after TT split and he was showing Andi around his massive mansion in Cheshire. Andi commented that Gary appeared to not have his Novellos in high display to which Gary replied (not his exact words) 'I don't take them seriously now that the Spice Girls have received one'. Gary is a huge bundle of contradictions though - I even remember a comment he made in an interview he did (on TT's success and reflecting on his inability to crack the States) his words were 'I'm so OVER America' and yet he seems to be sniffing around Broadway and is hand-in-hand with Harvey Weinstein. Having said that he said he hated being a solo artist and he didn't want to 'go back there'. He'd tried it once and found it wasn't very nice ... well I suppose for his legions of fans its a good job that he once again contradicted himself. I still like the concept of Take That and most of the tunes are great - but Gary Barlow is full of shit!

You do understand that he was joking? He was friends with the Spice Girls, so I doubt he dissed them and the Novellos. Besides, as far as I remember, Gary was showing Andi his wall full of awards; the Ivor Novellos are statues, which makes it a bit hard for them to be displayed on a wall.

 

I also doubt that his idea of breaking America is composing the songs for a musical - something he was asked to do and he accepted; it's not like h advertised that he wanted to be famous in America and someone replied to the advertisement.

 

As for him having said that he didn't want to be a solo artist again, I believe that he was serious at the time. As he said himself, the idea didn't really start to develop until he toured 2 years ago. I guess anyone would have changed his mind seeing that people love him and demand a solo record from him. That being said, doing a solo record from time to time doesn't mean he's flying solo again, just like Robbie having done Progress with the boys doesn't mean he's part of the group anymore. Everyone has projects outside the group.

 

I realize that not liking someone makes you read more than there is in that person's words and actions, but let's not overdo it.

I'm not saying Gary doesn't have his moments when he contradicts himself, but, when it comes to important stuf, he's pretty consistent.

I agree with you about The Brit Awards - however I highlight your comment about the Novellos as they're nothing much to write home about either. I'd quantify that by a comment Gary himself made when being interviewed by Andi Peters. I think it was just after TT split and he was showing Andi around his massive mansion in Cheshire. Andi commented that Gary appeared to not have his Novellos in high display to which Gary replied (not his exact words) 'I don't take them seriously now that the Spice Girls have received one'. Gary is a huge bundle of contradictions though - I even remember a comment he made in an interview he did (on TT's success and reflecting on his inability to crack the States) his words were 'I'm so OVER America' and yet he seems to be sniffing around Broadway and is hand-in-hand with Harvey Weinstein. Having said that he said he hated being a solo artist and he didn't want to 'go back there'. He'd tried it once and found it wasn't very nice ... well I suppose for his legions of fans its a good job that he once again contradicted himself. I still like the concept of Take That and most of the tunes are great - but Gary Barlow is full of shit!

 

 

Kath for someone who despises Gary so much, you just can't stop talking about him :lol:

 

 

Elizabeth - watch Look Back Don't Stare. Robbie did not write the flood on his own in 2008 :lol:

 

Going back to the SUBJECT....did anyone see TT on the Late Late Show? If not here's the link http://vimeo.com/115024432

Thought it was a really good performance, hoping now that it'll impact the album sales and get a top 5 in Ireland.

 

Good medley performance on Strictly last night too - a medley of Greatest Day, These Days and Never Forget. Not sure if this will have any impact but it certainly can't hurt

Edited December 21, 201410 yr by jay727

You do understand that he was joking? He was friends with the Spice Girls, so I doubt he dissed them and the Novellos. Besides, as far as I remember, Gary was showing Andi his wall full of awards; the Ivor Novellos are statues, which makes it a bit hard for them to be displayed on a wall.

 

Oh I'm sorry but by the tone of his voice - he definitely was NOT joking. He said it in a very, very arrogant way. He was right of course! I have known when he's said things in jest as there was something he said about the Pussycat Dolls in an interview for a Spanish TV show - and although he said it dead-pan and straight faced - I could tell it was with a touch of irony that I found totally hilarious. I also very much enjoyed his interview with Jonathan Ross (on the launch of his book) and again - he was hilarious. He was a funny guy back then. Now he's just plain boring.

 

I realize that not liking someone makes you read more than there is in that person's words and actions, but let's not overdo it. I'm not saying Gary doesn't have his moments when he contradicts himself, but, when it comes to important stuf, he's pretty consistent.

 

I was a fan at the time I saw that interview - and even though I thought he was arrogant (there are a number of entertainers that I like that I find a certain amount of arrogance is actually one of the attractive things). Looking back - I do wonder at times why I liked Gary so much at first (probably because I fancied him I suppose - I always do go for cuddly and chubby people). I think the more weight he's lost - the most arrogance he's gained to replace it with.

Edited December 21, 201410 yr by Kath

I think the Take That vs Robbie discussion does need to be put to bed now. Everyone accepts Robbie is more successful - no one has contradicted this point.

 

I will quickly respond to you, Kath regarding Gary, I simply cannot see arrogance, I really can't. I see someone who was cast aside by the music business and clawed his way back up. I see someone who is proud of what he and the boys have achieved with their comeback. I see someone who loves music and loves performing. I see a man who is desperate to remain relevant and takes any opportunity which comes his way. At no point do I recall Gary saying he is fantastic, the best song writer around etc, etc. The joy of watching Take That is the sheer joy they have in performing - it really is wonderful to see.

 

Regarding lll - I think most of us would now accept that it hasn't been a massive success, but has done ok. Unless their is a resurgence in sales over the next month their sales will be modest at best. I really think it is an excellent album but I seem to be out on a limb with the critics who on the whole hate it. The songs sound great live and I genuinely think it's their best album since BW.

I think the Take That vs Robbie discussion does need to be put to bed now. Everyone accepts Robbie is more successful - no one has contradicted this point.

 

I will quickly respond to you, Kath regarding Gary, I simply cannot see arrogance, I really can't. I see someone who was cast aside by the music business and clawed his way back up. I see someone who is proud of what he and the boys have achieved with their comeback. I see someone who loves music and loves performing. I see a man who is desperate to remain relevant and takes any opportunity which comes his way. At no point do I recall Gary saying he is fantastic, the best song writer around etc, etc. The joy of watching Take That is the sheer joy they have in performing - it really is wonderful to see.

 

Regarding lll - I think most of us would now accept that it hasn't been a massive success, but has done ok. Unless their is a resurgence in sales over the next month their sales will be modest at best. I really think it is an excellent album but I seem to be out on a limb with the critics who on the whole hate it. The songs sound great live and I genuinely think it's their best album since BW.

 

I agree with everything. The only difference for me is that I like III even more than BW. Of course, that might also be because the album is fresh new right now.

Kath for someone who despises Gary so much, you just can't stop talking about him :lol:

 

 

Elizabeth - watch Look Back Don't Stare. Robbie did not write the flood on his own in 2008 :lol:

 

Going back to the SUBJECT....did anyone see TT on the Late Late Show? If not here's the link http://vimeo.com/115024432

Thought it was a really good performance, hoping now that it'll impact the album sales and get a top 5 in Ireland.

 

Good medley performance on Strictly last night too - a medley of Greatest Day, These Days and Never Forget. Not sure if this will have any impact but it certainly can't hurt

 

I saw the Late Late Show :) I thought Gary was a true gentleman when he refused to read the Bono joke.

I've noticed that, for these kind of shows, they go with the shorter and more uptempo version of These Days, which I like. I wish they'd start singing other songs from the album as well. Get Ready For It sounded epic on the BBC R2 concert and I think it's a good choice for the 2nd single. I hope people outside the fanbase will like it as well and buy it, to make it chart decently.

 

The performance on Strictly had somewhat of an impact, especially on iTunes. Before Strictly, the single was at 12 and the album somewhere at 50+ and now they've both climbed. I don't know how this will be reflected in actual sales.

Good to see These Days at #6 and III in the top 5 for Xmas

 

 

NOTE - We were wondering why Face To Face didn't take off after the XF Final last year...but Ed Sheeran's new song missed the top 40, and 1D's scraped into the top 70...I think these songs get lost in the chaos of it all, regardless of the song quality

Edited December 22, 201410 yr by jay727

Kath for someone who despises Gary so much, you just can't stop talking about him :lol:

 

Well I have to brighten the TT forum lives up a little with my comments about him. I'm doing this totally out of altruism! I'm thinking of you all! I just figure you get bored with the same old 'Gary is God' tosh! :lol: :lol:

Well I have to brighten the TT forum lives up a little with my comments about him. I'm doing this totally out of altruism! I'm thinking of you all! I just figure you get bored with the same old 'Gary is God' tosh! :lol: :lol:

 

Ha well you certainly brighten up the forum. Have a good Xmas Kath :)

Debate is always good, opinions are always great to read. I have enjoyed it all.

 

Wonderful to see These Days continue doing well, and its remains top 10 on the current iTunes update,the signs are positive for yet another week in the top 10. Even more wonderful to see the album climb back into the top 5. I look forward to discovering what their sales are for this week.